God exists and is a terrible and hateful being, or God does not exist.

Originally posted by KidRock
Like I said..what about things that are not controlled by free will?

Things like babies dieing 3 days after they're born.

People getting cancer or diseases when they're young or a priest spreading the word of god that is killed while still in the Seminary.

Don't hide behind "free will". Admit it's god that causes these things to happen or admit that god isn't all powerful or admit god doesn't exist.

BTW: Don't tell me to admit God doesn't exist. You don't see me telling you to admit that he DOES exist, do you? I cannot prove his existemce, just like you cannot disprove it.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Some things we aren't meant to know in this life. I know that sounds lame, but it's true, to me, anyway. God IS all powerful. But it's hard to explain to someone who has no faith. If you have faith, you accept whatever God throws your/our way and deal with it the best you/we can.

BTW: Don't tell me to admit God doesn't exist. You don't see me telling you to admit that he DOES exist, do you? I cannot prove his existemce, just like you cannot disprove it.

So you believe that all good things in this world are due to God and all bad things are due to humans?

But God created us, God is perfect, how could he create something that isn't perfect?

And if he meant to create us in a way that wasn't perfect, why would he create us to live in a world with so much pain and misery?

And I hope you never plan on telling your kids that Santa Claus isn't real by your logic. You cannot prove he doesn't exist..can you?

Originally posted by KidRock
So you believe that all good things in this world are due to God and all bad things are due to humans?

But God created us, God is perfect, how could he create something that isn't perfect?

And if he meant to create us in a way that wasn't perfect, why would he create us to live in a world with so much pain and misery?

And I hope you never plan on telling your kids that Santa Claus isn't real by your logic. You cannot prove he doesn't exist..can you?

And if Santa was real, he'd have been mistaken for a burglar and shot by now.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Some things we aren't meant to know in this life. I know that sounds lame, but it's true, to me, anyway.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
God IS all powerful. But it's hard to explain to someone who has no faith.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
And if Santa was real, he'd have been mistaken for a burglar and shot by now.

Originally posted by Da Pittman
No he was arrested for watching kids sleep 😱

Where is that illegal?

Originally posted by Da Pittman
There are not always other choices as with God, you believe in him and go to Heaven and don't believe in him and go to Hell. What other choice is there?

At least two obvious others . . .

Originally posted by Da Pittman
What make one thing not meant to be know and the other things is? What would be the dividing line?
How is this hard to explain to someone not of the faith? All powerful is just that, all powerful and can do anything and everything. It is the reasoning behind something that can do anything that is hard to explain to a person not of your faith, why something that has the power to do anything on a whim would allow someone to suffer or whatever. This is the part that is hard to explain. No he was arrested for watching kids sleep 😱

It's a theory. A perfect one? Nope. Never said it was.

Dude I know, I know it looks cluster****ed. I dont have an explaination, I have only my faith, and it is rock solid and ever unwavering.

He did? haermm

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Where is that illegal?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos

At least two obvious others . . .

Which God? You don't know what God is, so how cna you make a judgment related to him/her/it?

You heard of three books that talk about God - Bible, Qu'ran and Torah, and you've probably not read either of them.
Just by the fact that you take those three ideas and judge God by them, you're as narrowminded as the books you're drawing your conclusions from.

The God they all speak about is Ahura Mazda - the first God in our history that had no others like him.

So you're ignoring other possibilities of what God is - is it a force, is it nature, is it universe, is it karma?

What about God is a being who created this planet and us then installed himself into us in order to feel anger, love, pain, hate, happiness...?

Unless you can objectivelly define what God is, (and you cannot objectivelly do that) this whole ''God is this and that'' is utter bollocks.

Originally posted by Da Pittman
...which are?

Believe and go to hell (omnimalevolence). Don't believe go to heaven (omnibenevolence).

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Dude I know, I know it looks cluster****ed. I dont have an explaination, I have only my faith, and it is rock solid and ever unwavering.

Originally posted by KidRock
It IS god's fault however if a 5 year old dies of cancer...

Originally posted by Da Pittman
Does that mean when your on a ship at sea and its rocking your not?!? 😱 😛

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Believe and go to hell (omnimalevolence). Don't believe go to heaven (omnibenevolence).

Originally posted by KidRock
But God created us, God is perfect, how could he create something that isn't perfect?

Terrible fallacy, you can make something that isn't organic.

Originally posted by KidRock
And I hope you never plan on telling your kids that Santa Claus isn't real by your logic. You cannot prove he doesn't exist..can you?

Sure you can. It's called coffee.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Which God? You don't know what God is, so how cna you make a judgment related to him/her/it?

You heard of three books that talk about God - Bible, Qu'ran and Torah, and you've probably not read either of them.
Just by the fact that you take those three ideas and judge God by them, you're as narrowminded as the books you're drawing your conclusions from.

The God they all speak about is Ahura Mazda - the first God in our history that had no others like him.

So you're ignoring other possibilities of what God is - is it a force, is it nature, is it universe, is it karma?

What about God is a being who created this planet and us then installed himself into us in order to feel anger, love, pain, hate, happiness...?

Unless you can objectivelly define what God is, (and you cannot objectivelly do that) this whole ''God is this and that'' is utter bollocks.

Originally posted by Da Pittman
However that God of the Bible doesn't have this options unless I'm mistaken. I don't remember reading that if you believe in me I'm going to send you to Hell.

They're certainly not common interpretations of the Biblical God. Both exist for various reasons. Gnostics felt that heaven and hell are equivalent traps for human souls (or "thetans"😉 and thus going to heaven isn't meaningfully different from going to hell. A few modern liberal Christians interpret good works as being more important to going to heaven than belief in God which can result in "disbelief --> heaven".

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
You are reading way too much into it, man. I have a certain set of beliefs I follow, and they all point to Christianity. I believe in them, I follow them. In my own way, of course. Alot of Christians would say that I am in fact NOT a Christian. But I am the way I am, and I love the way that I am. I am Popeye the sailor man.

Originally posted by Da Pittman
I'm sorry to hear that you have giant tumors in your arms and you had a stroke 😆

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
They're certainly not common interpretations of the Biblical God. Both exist for various reasons. Gnostics felt that heaven and hell are equivalent traps for human souls (or "thetans"😉 and thus going to heaven isn't meaningfully different from going to hell. A few modern liberal Christians interpret good works as being more important to going to heaven than belief in God which can result in "disbelief --> heaven".

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I dont have the answers for you, sorry man.

And if Santa was real, he'd have been mistaken for a burglar and shot by now.

So why put so much faith into something you don't know about?