God exists and is a terrible and hateful being, or God does not exist.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
We're angels?

I want wings! 😠

And when we are dead, we all have wings, we won't need legs to stand.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Angels do not have free will.

Originally posted by Bardock42
And when we are dead, we all have wings, we won't need legs to stand.

Wouldn't the wings get tired? Besides, people without legs are creepy.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Even if all sin is attributed to Satan, then who created Satan? It all goes back to the Christian god.

Originally posted by darthgoober
No it would all go back to man because man chooses to sin. Otherwise no children should ever be punished for staying up too late since they only broke a rule because their parents made it one.

But Satan rebelled first.

Because he has free will.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
But Satan rebelled first.

First or second doesn't matter. Just because the kid's older cousin told them how to sneak past their parents for the purpose of staying up past their bedtime doesn't mean that the kids shouldn't be held responsible for their actions and it still doesn't mean that the parents are at fault for making the rule.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Only because he was around first.

First or second doesn't matter. Just because the kid's older cousin told them how to sneak past their parents for the purpose of staying up past their bedtime doesn't mean that the kids shouldn't be held responsible for their actions and it still doesn't mean that the parents are at fault for making the rule.

Christian mythology is confusing.

so god punishes and torments beings who have free will because they dont want to be slaves and obey every command? hhmmmm... something doesnt feel right here.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
so god punishes and torments beings who have free will because they dont want to be slaves and obey every command? hhmmmm... something doesnt feel right here.

Now excuse me while I exercise my free will and go rape and murder you.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Angels do not have free will.

These two choices aren't enough.
Some of what you call god's "cruelty" is human cruelty, or natural disaster cruelty.

Are you going to blame god when you run out of gas in the middle of the road? No... that's your fault - you didn't look at the meter and see if it was close to Empty.

Is it not possible that both a higher power who has given us free will to coexist with science? Or how about a higher power who is everyone's higher power : Bhudda, Yahweh, Vishnu, and every other belief in the world?

Ultimatums have always been a pet peeve. There are always other choices.

I know there are atheists on the board, and hey, that's fine. But threads like JIA's and threads which basically say "there is no god" are the same kind of gook. No ultimatums. Use your brain and question things. Come to your own conclusions.

But don't push everything down people's throats.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
so god punishes and torments beings who have free will because they dont want to be slaves and obey every command? hhmmmm... something doesnt feel right here.

MASTER DECEIVERRRR. You know 😉

Originally posted by Mairuzu
Its our choice whether to give into temptation by satan or not. He starts it, we choose to finish it or not.

MASTER DECEIVERRRR. You know 😉

No, the devil made me do it. 😛

Probably haermm

no, it was gods will.

Originally posted by KidRock
I see those as being the only 2 options. Which one is true, I don't know. But I definitley know that with the world we live in it's impossible for God to be a good, merciful and caring entity.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
All the bad that happens in the world is done by humans, not God. Free will.

Like I said..what about things that are not controlled by free will?

Things like babies dieing 3 days after they're born.

People getting cancer or diseases when they're young or a priest spreading the word of god that is killed while still in the Seminary.

Don't hide behind "free will". Admit it's god that causes these things to happen or admit that god isn't all powerful or admit god doesn't exist.

Originally posted by siriuswriter

Are you going to blame god when you run out of gas in the middle of the road? No... that's your fault - you didn't look at the meter and see if it was close to Empty.

No I wouldn't blame god for that, because that was my own fault. It IS god's fault however if a 5 year old dies of cancer, or a baby dies 3 days after they're born..things these people have no control over.

So why would god do these things?

It's obviously not free will, it's the actions of god.

Originally posted by siriuswriter
Ultimatums have always been a pet peeve. There are always other choices.