Not really, its trying to make a random and illogical reason for Kain not to be able to manipulate magic, Kain manips magic, its like saying putting a fire mainpulator in a diffrent universe and saying their unable to manip fire, it just doesnt work, magic is magic, the fact its foreign is never hinted to as a limit nor should it be one, why should the fact a magic is not of their own? or of their universe be diffrent? the force is still magic.
And why would they manip their own magic at all? according to you its foreign, well their magic would be foreign to the fighting place so surely they cannot call upon something that does not excist in their world? your making a claim against a neutral universe setting, Kains powers should work just as well in his realm as they do here, he can regulate magic in Nosgoth, he can do it in a battle.
According to you, the Master swords powers decide whether a being is good or evil according to Hyrules rules, Kain will decide whether the universes magic is to his liking or not, afterall he is a regulator, where it comes from or what it is, is irrelevent, always has been.
I think your playing favourites.
Kain never works by sources, he manipulates magic itself, if a raw thunderbolt from a mages hands is considered magic by the universe that mage originitated from or perhaps indeed Kain, then its fair game and he will use it to blast the mages hands off, just how you seem to think MS decides on a persons alignment.
You're twisting it, sir. The master sword does not manipulate the other character, only makes a choice for itself, you're claiming Kain can manipulate foreign energies completely alien to him just because he can manipulate those in Nosgoth, which is still limited, btw.
Magic is a catch-all word, two things deemed magical can be VERY different and alien to one another.
No he is the regulator, therefore by the very defintion he governs the rules that affect magic, the fact its foreign would not make sense, the energies themselves he is manipulating are irrelvent, the only relevency is that they are magic, considering magic takes a variety of forms in LOK, variation does not make a diffrence, the fact is its magic. Your little straw man of trying to claim a no limits fallacy by tossing a random limit youve thought up such as foreign origin is like me saying magic will not effect Kain from another universe just because hes from a diffrence universe......a pointless, trolling ploy.
Hm depends really, unless you want to actually attempt to be a clever dicky and start bringing up "magic tricks" as a form of magic to try and prove its diffrent, a lot of magic in many fictions works and is very similiar if not the same to the rest, a caster connects to a source and uses it to cast a spell depending on their knowledge, there are variations but the idea is very similiar indeed.
Originally posted by Burning thought
I dont believe Capcom said that and if they did, its a no limits fallacy based only in the DMC verse, Dante has been screwed over by several small swords in his time.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Kains powers should work just as well in his realm as they do here, he can regulate magic in Nosgoth, he can do it in a battle.
Nice job. Now, that is only in Kain's own universe. Which you call no-limit fallacy.
Spoiler:
hyprocrite
Dark Khan is physically strong enough to overpower and take hits from Superman. Which means he cannot be harmed by Kain's physical attacks.
He is a merge of both Darkseid and Shao Kahn, both are immune to soul attacks, one of whom is a casual soul ripper.
Darkseid exists beyond the normal flow of time if I recall right, which means time attacks will not harm him.
He has the Omega Effect. He can quite literally kill Kain as a baby if he wanted to by firing it into the past, or he could just disintegrate Kain himself.
Dark Khan rapes this thread.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Dark Khan is physically strong enough to overpower and take hits from Superman. Which means he cannot be harmed by Kain's physical attacks.He is a merge of both Darkseid and Shao Kahn, both are immune to soul attacks, one of whom is a casual soul ripper.
Darkseid exists beyond the normal flow of time if I recall right, which means time attacks will not harm him.
He has the Omega Effect. He can quite literally kill Kain as a baby if he wanted to by firing it into the past, or he could just disintegrate Kain himself.
Dark Khan rapes this thread.
When? has this been shown in canon? show me..
Hes a merge, that does not mean he has exactley the same powers as either also where is this shown or stated?
Explain this "normal flow of time" nonsense, Kains powers are bolts of time or an AOE of time, slowing it, what flow of time he happens to be in makes no diffrence, he is still in a time flow, but then again, your talking about just plain Darksied, this is a merge.
He has for sure? or Darksied has and you assume the merge does?
Kain just drains the thing of energy completly, leaving it an empty husk.
Originally posted by The Valiant
Nice job. Now, that is only in Kain's own universe. Which you call no-limit fallacy.Spoiler:
hyprocrite
You get really confused in some of these debates dont you? you really do....
You just cant understand what the diffrence between gameplay mechanics and gameplay feats are and you cant understand whats a no limits fallacy and whats just a no limit. I shall makesure ime crystal clear in everything I say next time.
Presented perhaps, capable of? no....
And from what ive heard people seem to think the merge was because of something else besides, since ive not played it or even seen anything to do with the character its hard say. Although merging two universes although more powerful than what Kain has displayed means little in a battle.
Originally posted by Utrigita
Imo it was shown that he merged two universes together to do that require immense amounts of energy far more then Kain has ever displayed capable of producing ore handling.But again if Dark Khan has the power of Darkseid that will be enough.
Thats a specific power, we dont know about energy or what he actually does to do that, nor do we know if he can replicate it in any other way, thus, its a non combat move, totally useless in this matchup.
"shrug" looking at a few wiki arcticles, Batman has foiled Darkseid and apprently escaped his omega beams.
Originally posted by Burning thought1. His final opponents were Superman and Raiden. Raiden provided the magic, Superman provided the muscle.
When? has this been shown in canon? show me..Hes a merge, that does not mean he has exactley the same powers as either also where is this shown or stated?
Explain this "normal flow of time" nonsense, Kains powers are bolts of time or an AOE of time, slowing it, what flow of time he happens to be in makes no diffrence, he is still in a time flow, but then again, your talking about just plain Darksied, this is a merge.
He has for sure? or Darksied has and you assume the merge does?
Kain just drains the thing of energy completly, leaving it an empty husk.
2. He shows the ability to use the Omega Effect. That is all he needs to win this fight. The very concept of his character is that he is a merge between Shao Kahn and Darkseid, hence the name Dark Khan.
3. He is both in one. Darkseid as a New God exists beyond the normal flow of time. Which is all Kain's faggy bolts have shown to affect. Try again.
4. He has for sure. And he is a merge between both, why would he lose their powers? That is idiotic.
5. Prove he can drain the energy of anything.
3.
Originally posted by Burning thought1. Collapsing the universe is not useless in this fight.
Thats a specific power, we dont know about energy or what he actually does to do that, nor do we know if he can replicate it in any other way, thus, its a non combat move, totally useless in this matchup."shrug" looking at a few wiki arcticles, Batman has foiled Darkseid and apprently escaped his omega beams.
2. LOL. The animated universe Darkseid failed to hit Batman with his Omega Beams. And Batman is faster than Kain by feats so it is irrelevant.
Originally posted by NemeBro
1. His final opponents were Superman and Raiden. Raiden provided the magic, Superman provided the muscle.2. He shows the ability to use the Omega Effect. That is all he needs to win this fight. The very concept of his character is that he is a merge between Shao Kahn and Darkseid, hence the name Dark Khan.
3. He is both in one. Darkseid as a New God exists beyond the normal flow of time. Which is all Kain's faggy bolts have shown to affect. Try again.
4. He has for sure. And he is a merge between both, why would he lose their powers? That is idiotic.
5. Prove he can drain the energy of anything.
3.
1. But is it shown in a cutscene? video? is it canon that they beat on him or is this gameplay solely?
2. So whats the Omega Effect achieve while hes Dark Khan?
3. Well from Wikia, its actually stated the New Gods live in a place in a diffrent flow of time, that does not mean they are constantly in excistence in that diffrent flow and furthermore by becoming a merge, his flow of time may change to Shoa Khans for all you know...
4. Not really, you and everyone on this forum agrees the character is idiotic so its hardly a stones throw, infact according to others its idiotic someone as powerful as Darkseid combines with Shoa Khan.
5. Regulation
Originally posted by NemeBro
1. Collapsing the universe is not useless in this fight.2. LOL. The animated universe Darkseid failed to hit Batman with his Omega Beams. And Batman is faster than Kain by feats so it is irrelevant.
1. Its Merging the Universe.
2. How so? Batman is a peak human is he not? so he cant actually be canonically faster.
Originally posted by Burning thought1. Canon. In storyline.
1. But is it shown in a cutscene? video? is it canon that they beat on him or is this gameplay solely?2. So whats the Omega Effect achieve while hes Dark Khan?
3. Well from Wikia, its actually stated the New Gods live in a place in a diffrent flow of time, that does not mean they are constantly in excistence in that diffrent flow and furthermore by becoming a merge, his flow of time may change to Shoa Khans for all you know...
4. Not really, you and everyone on this forum agrees the character is idiotic so its hardly a stones throw, infact according to others its idiotic someone as powerful as Darkseid combines with Shoa Khan.
5. Regulation
1. Its [b]Merging
the Universe.2. How so? Batman is a peak human is he not? so he cant actually be canonically faster. [/B]
2. The Omega Effect's properties do not change with a different user. Though he uses it in the form of the Omega Beams, which erase individuals. Hell...He erased many individuals across both universes when he merged them, and you think he cannot do the same to Kain?
3. No they don't, they live outside the normal flow of space and time, and they live in the Fourth World. And it isn't like Darseid does not have Time Powers of his own.
4. The concept of the character is lazy and uninspired, there is no proof that he lost any powers, to say he did is unfounded and ridiculous.
5. Show me him using this regulation on another entity.
6. He merged it. His ultimate plan was to collapse it.
7. Peak human means shit, especially since the term peak human in DC and Marvel is so warped. Call me when Kain can dodge point blank gunfire.