Dark Khan Versus Kain

Denial? hmm, thats funny, seems to me your the one denying and ignoring power outlined by the developers themselves who originally designed the characters and ime actually using things from evidence ive shown to back that claim up, unlike you who does not back anything up and apparently respects the view of people who know more than you, considering your ideal of trust you should agree with me who has played all the LOK games. Ofcourse I expect the typical bias+hypocrisy over a character someone does not like....just do it in the knowledge it will not make a difference on me, nor will anyone elses whining and denial.

Originally posted by Burning thought
It wasa side effect of the merging, not necesserily anything to do with his power, for all we know the same would have happened if anyone merged a universe. Its useless in this matchup..yes

You should have just said its not magical, damage is unimportant for a reflecting shield.

Actually, I wonder if Dark Khan can survive his own omega beam, I would like to see the horror on his skeletal force as his own Omega beam flies back to reach Kain as he materialises behind Khan....Darksied is not in this match 😉 also when has Darksied transmuted mist into stone simply out of interest? doesnt sound like a feat a character would even bother showing....

The way i see it, Kain is mist, the beam goes through since its not going to affect water vapour or deliever its "super powerfulz" effect on a droplet of water then Kain materialises right on top of Khan, who unfortunatley gets hit by the Omega blast, dieing instantly. So really all Kain needs to beat this goof is mst form... 🙂

Thats ofcourse assuming he does not just use magic regulation to make his time bolt universal, freeze Khan solid in his own time flow while tearing him out of it for the amusement it may bring (assuming he is in the fourth world time flow as Dark Khan) then simply drain him completly using the regulation of the energy concept, then without any energy, and frozen in time he would be useless, just to answer the thread Kain lets loose the energy and blows Khan into fragments with his own energy.

Hardly, neither when four realities in marvel was merged, ore in DC have beings ever been casually erased across both universes, to suggest that it would happen should anyone do it, is unfound speculation imo.

So If I drop a nuke on it, it would be perfectly fine? Btw the Omega Beam is the same attack that have brought Pre Crisis Superman to his knees

Sorry but as mentioned on the Wiki concerning Marvel vs Tekken, Darkseid has full access to the Omega effect. No Dark Khan, a merging of Shao Khan And Darkseid is. He haven't transformed mist into stone, but the fact that he has turned a Daxamite (a being that is roughly equal to superman in terms of Durability and so on) into dust without the Omega Beam is enough to make the call that he can turn mist which density is much lower into stone ore dust take your pick.

If The Omega Beam didn't have pinpoint accuracy then it could happen, but since that isn't the case and the fact that Darkseid has never ever missed a target I see no reason to believe that Kain in a mist form should be capable of outsmarting him, the thought alone shows that you knowlegde of Darkseid and his capacities is lacking.

As Nemebro have already asked. Show us a incident of Kain regulating Magic to anything near the level you claim he can meanwhile I will go out and find Dark Khan using the Omega Effect. 🙂

Originally posted by Utrigita
So If I drop a nuke on it, it would be perfectly fine?

No, silly. It would bounce and return to sender.

Originally posted by Utrigita
As Nemebro have already asked. Show us a incident of Kain regulating Magic to anything near the level you claim he can meanwhile I will go out and find Dark Khan using the Omega Effect. 🙂

You won't get anything. He's never regulated anything. He doesn't even have direct regulating powers.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Hardly, neither when four realities in marvel was merged, ore in DC have beings ever been casually erased across both universes, to suggest that it would happen should anyone do it, is unfound speculation imo.

So If I drop a nuke on it, it would be perfectly fine? Btw the Omega Beam is the same attack that have brought Pre Crisis Superman to his knees

Sorry but as mentioned on the Wiki concerning Marvel vs Tekken, Darkseid has full access to the Omega effect. No Dark Khan, a merging of Shao Khan And Darkseid is. He haven't transformed mist into stone, but the fact that he has turned a Daxamite (a being that is roughly equal to superman in terms of Durability and so on) into dust without the Omega Beam is enough to make the call that he can turn mist which density is much lower into stone ore dust take your pick.

If The Omega Beam didn't have pinpoint accuracy then it could happen, but since that isn't the case and the fact that Darkseid has never ever missed a target I see no reason to believe that Kain in a mist form should be capable of outsmarting him, the thought alone shows that you knowlegde of Darkseid and his capacities is lacking.

As Nemebro have already asked. Show us a incident of Kain regulating Magic to anything near the level you claim he can meanwhile I will go out and find Dark Khan using the Omega Effect. 🙂

unfound speculation that Khans own power did it as well.

No because it reflects magic, as stated quite clearly 🙄

So he turned something dense into dust? thats no reason to believe he can transmute anything, certainly not water droplets, or even work this power on something as small as water vapour/droplets. I know Dark Khan is a merge of Darkseid and Khan, so why then do you immedialtey assume he gains Darksieds brain and not Khans? or perhaps half and half? you assume to much, adding half an orange and half an apple to a smoothy creates a flavour very distinct from both. I dont really need an analogy, I just need to ask for feats of Dark Khan showing the same intellect as either the characters.

No the thought shows ime thinking outside of the box, it would seem that DARK KHAN has perhaps not been able to direct his omega beams in such a way as Darkseid and if so, pinpoint accuracy means little if your opponent is holding onto you, hell Kain could mist and float through Khan as it happens, having this beam strike him. Unless you can show me Dark Khan with this incredible reaction and speed of control of this beam.

Its not a level is it, a limit on the one who sets the regulations makes no logical sense. There can be no limit, by defintion Kain can do these things. My answer to you is the same to him, its like asking you to show me Darksied using powers on a shield created by a vampire as if that fact would make a diffrence, its irrelvent.

Originally posted by Burning thought
unfound speculation that Khans own power did it as well.

No because it reflects magic, as stated quite clearly 🙄

So he turned something dense into dust? thats no reason to believe he can transmute anything, certainly not water droplets, or even work this power on something as small as water vapour/droplets. I know Dark Khan is a merge of Darkseid and Khan, so why then do you immedialtey assume he gains Darksieds brain and not Khans? or perhaps half and half? you assume to much, adding half an orange and half an apple to a smoothy creates a flavour very distinct from both. I dont really need an analogy, I just need to ask for feats of Dark Khan showing the same intellect as either the characters.

No the thought shows ime thinking outside of the box, it would seem that [b]DARK KHAN has perhaps not been able to direct his omega beams in such a way as Darkseid and if so, pinpoint accuracy means little if your opponent is holding onto you, hell Kain could mist and float through Khan as it happens, having this beam strike him. Unless you can show me Dark Khan with this incredible reaction and speed of control of this beam.

Its not a level is it, a limit on the one who sets the regulations makes no logical sense. There can be no limit, by defintion Kain can do these things. My answer to you is the same to him, its like asking you to show me Darksied using powers on a shield created by a vampire as if that fact would make a diffrence, its irrelvent. [/B]

Really based on what? I would like you to point out where in the scans you read that?

Then there is no reason to believe it should in any way reflect the attack from Dark Khan, which in short hands the win to Dark Khan.

Sorry but that is like saying that because Galactus can transmute Terrax into energy that doesn't mean that he can transform air molecules into technology, which is simply flat out wrong. Darkseid showed that he could affect a being with the same durability as superman, last time I checked the durability of water was lesser then a guy (Superman) that can accelerate to near light speed and then run straight into a black moon and only get knocked out. I'm no suggesting he gets ones mind more then the Other I'm merely pointing out the powers that Dark Khan should gain when a merging between Darkseid and Shao Khan toke place. If he gots half of half then he isn't exactly stupid.

So we are just going to assume that a merging between Darkseid and Shao Khan has shit control over the most basic ability and most used ability that Darkseid has? Please. And Dark Khan could redirect it instantly, you really need to read up on the omega beam. I will happily show you as soon as I find a useable Video, since I don't suppose you will take a wiki as valid information.

No this request isn't irrelevant, I ask you to provide proof for a statement you have made concerning a Character and that Characters powerlevel and possibilities in this particular thread, as the opposite to a shield that I know have never succesfully repeled something that can harm a being that can tank a Nuke. Furthermore the shield is irrelevant because as mentioned by Q it has never showed repelling something that operates on a molecule level. So again show me Kain regulating magic to the level you claim possible and then peforming the things you deem possible based on it.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Really based on what? I would like you to point out where in the scans you read that?

Then there is no reason to believe it should in any way reflect the attack from Dark Khan, which in short hands the win to Dark Khan.

Sorry but that is like saying that because Galactus can transmute Terrax into energy that doesn't mean that he can transform air molecules into technology, which is simply flat out wrong. Darkseid showed that he could affect a being with the same durability as superman, last time I checked the durability of water was lesser then a guy (Superman) that can accelerate to near light speed and then run straight into a black moon and only get knocked out. I'm no suggesting he gets ones mind more then the Other I'm merely pointing out the powers that Dark Khan should gain when a merging between Darkseid and Shao Khan toke place. If he gots half of half then he isn't exactly stupid.

So we are just going to assume that a merging between Darkseid and Shao Khan has shit control over the most basic ability and most used ability that Darkseid has? Please. And Dark Khan could redirect it instantly, you really need to read up on the omega beam. I will happily show you as soon as I find a useable Video, since I don't suppose you will take a wiki as valid information.

No this request isn't irrelevant, I ask you to provide proof for a statement you have made concerning a Character and that Characters powerlevel and possibilities in this particular thread, as the opposite to a shield that I know have never succesfully repeled something that can harm a being that can tank a Nuke. Furthermore the shield is irrelevant because as mentioned by Q it has never showed repelling something that operates on a molecule level. So again show me Kain regulating magic to the level you claim possible and then peforming the things you deem possible based on it.

Exactley, I did not read it in the scans, which means your the one speculating it.

No because Kain is not neceeserily going to rely on one shield, he has teleportation to escape this effect as well as mist form, which can also be his mode of attack.

Your the one trying to use logic for your own arguments by saying a character can do something it has no done with its powers yet denying me doing the same for Kain....hypocrisy. Whos talking about durability? ime talking about whether this character can effect something of a diffrent material, e.g. vapour, and your telling me this guy turned a physical object into dust, e.g. particles? water do not become dust, they are air and vapour, moisture etc, it sounds like your trying to debate that one guy gets turned into dust so it means just because droplets are less durable they can be transformed into dust? that doesnt even make sense, it sounds to me that your taking advantage of my lack of knowledge on Darksied anyway, if he can just turn a being into dust, why doesnt he just do it to all his opponents? should gain? this is going to haunt you now so i hope you meant to say that, this outlines the fact you dont actually know what this character has so your just pulling abilities from Darksieds shown feats list?

I will look at a Wiki out of interest. We can assume what we like, it does not mean either one is true until we know for certain what this Khan can actually do.

Its compeltlty irrelvent, by defintion as regulator over magic Kain can do these things, its not a power that requires defined scope, the power itself defines the scope. Kain regulations, governs and sets the order over magic, therefore, he merely orders its scope to be beyond Darksied, whats better yet that fortunatley those against Kains power pointed out is that he does it with his own magic, so already his power is such to be able to perform, rule and govern the power that is magic but also the higher bound he places in his regulation for magic, the higher his own bounds are by default.

To throw in an analogy, it would be like you claiming flash can go lightspeed, you providing evidence saying officially and factually he can (lets say for the sake of it, from the developers) then me asking "show me Flash performing lightspeed to the height lightspeed" its ridiculous and does not make sense.

Dark Khan is effectively fighting a being who is omnipotent in the specific magic powers he has access to, which include energy, time, dimension, weather and more.

The discussion is good, but this is not Sephiroth vs Link yet.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
The discussion is good, but this is not Sephiroth vs Link yet.

What?

Just search "Sephiroth vs Link" on this forum. It's amazing.

I'm sorry. You don't make much sense. Of course this isn't "Sephiroth Vs Link". It's "Dark Khan Vs Kain"

Originally posted by Q'Anilia
I'm sorry. You don't make much sense. Of course this isn't "Sephiroth Vs Link". It's "Dark Khan Vs Kain"

He meant that this thread has potential. You should really search for that thread. I, personally, suffered from temporary insanity after reading it.

The concentration of fanboyism there was truly astounding.

Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
He meant that this thread has potential. You should really search for that thread. I, personally, suffered from temporary insanity after reading it.

The concentration of fanboyism there was truly astounding.

This thread is no different from any other thread where a person persist to debate Burning Thought when it comes to Kain. Virtually every Kain thread out there has "potentials" if the counter-part is prepared to put themselves through the excessive agony that is BTs faulty strategy of debate. There's more fallacies used in his debates than any other I've seen on the Internet.

Keep discussing with him and it will become a long thread. It has nothing to do with Dark Khan or Kain. It has to do with Burning Thought. I have read Burning Thought argue Kain surviving being erased from existence. Attacks that destroy universes. Kill massive cosmic entities in a single blow. Anyone persisting in discussing with him will make the thread long, because he's convinced that Kain is the, or one of the most powerful characters in the world of fiction. All based on usage of fallacies and own interpretations of words and descriptions.

To Burning Thought: I'll not read your response to this, so you don't need to post a reply. I wouldn't consider this bashing (Because I have no intentions of bashing, baiting or anything of the sort), but if you find it as such, you have my approval to report. I'll face my actions and accept the concequences.

I find it fascinating(or saddening) that some people have the time, patience, will, and energy to actually go through with it all and keep it up for literally hundreds of pages.

Much like Burning Thought, some aren't ready to accept defeat. Two tireless entities, both determined that they are right and too proud to back down will keep on going for a very long time. Page after page after page.

Originally posted by Q'Anilia
Much like Burning Thought, some aren't ready to accept defeat. Two tireless entities, both determined that they are right and too proud to back down will keep on going for a very long time. Page after page after page.

Yeah, but in the end of those threads it's not who has the better argument, it's who can drive away the other through sheer weight of words. It's who can parrot their own(ranging from unfounded to downright pulled out of the ass) arguments and comments for longer.

That really sucks.

Fallacies, misconceptions and misinterpretations. Three reasons why a debate can go on for a very long time 😛

Originally posted by Q'Anilia
Fallacies, misconceptions and misinterpretations. Three reasons why a debate can go on for a very long time 😛

It's not necessarily misinterpretations. Some things(like Kain's regulatory powers, for example) are so vague and dubious, that they are open to many interpretations. Ultimately, all of them are equally (in)correct.

I'm not talking about just Kain here. The three words I listed are some of the most common reasons a debate can go on for as long as it does. Especially in a fictional character versus debate. There's a lot of misinterpretations used out there/here 😛

Originally posted by Q'Anilia
I'm not talking about just Kain here. The three words I listed are some of the most common reasons a debate can go on for as long as it does. Especially in a fictional character versus debate. There's a lot of misinterpretations used out there/here 😛

Yeah, I know. I just thought that it was a good example. You have a statement and you can go with it almost wherever the hell you want.

Very true. Lich King has been literally stated "all-powerful", "unlimited power" and "God of Death" by the sole creator of lore. Chris Metzen. Drop a fanboy in the middle of that, and you got yourself a mean killing machine.