Elektra vs. Steve Rogers

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
😂 lasers >>> bullets. Computerised program > trained human.

Elektra wasn't dodging, so the fact that it was a program vs. human is irrelevant because his aim was irrelevant. What WAS relevant however is that Elektra was able to parry machine gun bullets with the surface area of her sai. Regardless of what you would like to pretend it is a VASTLY more impressive speed feat coupled with accuracy than anything Cap bolsters.

Of course talking to you is worse than a brick wall so I don't expect you to waiver.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Anyways I'm willing to concede Cap isn't as fast as light if Elektra isn't as fast as sound. Bottom line Cap has the better speed feats and was shown to be faster then Daredevil himself in a race, who is also a great athlete like Elektra.

So ABC logic is irrelevant, but only when you don't like it. When you think it supports your agenda, then it's okay.... nice rhetoric.
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Cap has some different speed feats than Elektra but none of them better. Elektra's speed is at the top of the street level food chain. And her feats are easily more impressive than Caps.

This isn't a foot race, so Cap whizzing past DD doesn't mean much here.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Since Elektra doesn't have superhuman speed. Elektra doesn't even have the maximum level of human speed like Cap does thanks to the SSS.

I'm always up for one more of your "just cause" arguments.

whizzing thats a good one.. 🙂 wine

Originally posted by jinzin

And her feats are easily more impressive than Caps.

Ya know with all the people pointing out how inferior Cap is to other street levelers physical aspects, im starting to wonder whether the army might have given him the Regular-Old-Human Soldier Syrum.. 😱

Cap could beat a room full of Elektras

Originally posted by Mindset
Cap could beat a room full of Elektras

I like the cut of your gib.

Originally posted by Mindset
Cap could beat a room full of Elektras

cap needed saving from a small group of hand ninjas because he was downed by them and thy were going to decapitate him. wolverine ala rescue, with nothing more then a piece of metal pipe. 🙄

Then I guess Hand Ninjas >>> A room full of Elektras

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
cap needed saving from a small group of hand ninjas because he was downed by them and thy were going to decapitate him. wolverine ala rescue, with nothing more then a piece of metal pipe. 🙄

When did this happen?

Originally posted by Mindset
Then I guess Hand Ninjas >>> A room full of Elektras

elektra helped wolverine kill a few thousand hand ninjas....

elektra>>>>>>hand>>>>cap

When did this happen?

in an old comic check the wolverine respect thread you'll find scans of the fight. or wait till someone post it here. 🙂

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
elektra helped wolverine kill a few thousand hand ninjas....

elektra>>>>>>hand>>>>cap

in an old comic check the wolverine respect thread you'll find scans of the fight. or wait till someone post it here. 🙂

Did the fight take place in World War 2 or modern times?

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
elektra helped wolverine kill a few thousand hand ninjas....

elektra>>>>>>hand>>>>cap

Hand Ninjas > Cap >>>>>> A room full of Elektras

I'll ask again-when did the fight where Cap had to be rescued from a group of hand ninjas by Logan, take place???

Originally posted by BUSTER1
I'll ask again-when did the fight where Cap had to be rescued from a group of hand ninjas by Logan, take place???

http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/7774/capsave2me4.jpg

its here in the first page wolverine saves cap rest of the scans near the bottom of the page under the title of:

RANDOM FEATS OF WOLVERINE'S SKILL:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=486007&pagenumber=1

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/7774/capsave2me4.jpg

its here in the first page wolverine saves cap rest of the scans near the bottom of the page under the title of:

RANDOM FEATS OF WOLVERINE'S SKILL:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=486007&pagenumber=1

thanks 👆

As the fight where Cap needs help against the Hand ninjas takes place in 1941, he isn't as experienced or skilled as he was just prior to his death.

Originally posted by jinzin
Nice seeing you strawman "for a change" 🙄

If that's what you think I was arguing I'm sorry for your comprehensive skills and ability to reason.

Well your the one that brought it up in your statement.

Originally posted by jinzin
[B]Ooooooorrr you know you could go direct comparisons were Elektra shows more skill, speed, and mindraping on a consistent basis. 😐

If her mind rape is not what your arguing then don't bring it up. Not that difficult.

With other members of the Chaste? Sure. But I'm not talking about just talking with Wolverine, I'm talking about plucking Wolverine's thoughts out of his head and restating them back to him to his surprise.

And this proves a mind rape how. Again fail.

No, but both are enhanced and superhuman, Skrulls having technology copy powers including telepathic one would assume they have tech to resist it as well, and Nick has training in dealing with TP tricks. 😐

So I fail to see what being a top level fighter has to do with anything.

Wolverine isn't a cream of the crop fighter huh?
Y'know it's as if you're just TRYING to throw your credability out the window...

Well Cap is enhanced. Elektra is not enhanced. She's an athlete...if you want to prove she's superhuman you better find some character statements and more then one calling her superhuman. Yes Wolverine is a cream of the crop for sure. And thats a good example she didn't mind rape him. Which helps my point. In fact her fights with Daredevil, Taskmaster, Shang Chi, Bullseye, Wolverine etc etc she didn't mind rape anyone.

WTF? Uh yeah, because she doesn't fight these guys too often.... or... at all...
Nice equivocation btw.

Well if you can't prove it. Thats your fault plus she did fight Daredevil and Shang Chi.

So... it's a better display of speed AND accuracy then anything Cap has...

In your opinion. Beams>>>bullets.

Which was impressive but not comparible to the sheer hand/attack speed displayed by Elektra.

Again your opinion. Fact of the matter is Cap is enhanced while Elektra is a great athlete.

He IS superhuman... I'm not arguing that Elektra is stronger or more durable than Cap. I said she's faster.

And don't give me this handbook nonsense when her feats consistently outperform "athlete" levels.. it's ridiculous and disengenuous. [/B]

Let see some statements that say she has superhuman speed jinzin. Show some actual proof besides your opinion. And if you think her blocking bullets is proof then its laughable at best since A list street characters play in bullets.

Originally posted by jinzin
Actually it was ASSUMED by Captain America... who had no idea what was going on with the surrounding population much less with Wolverine... Talk about fail.

Cap is right and you are wrong.

You say Logan had the mind of a wolf. Prove it. I'll give you the chance just like last time. Show me a scan saying he has a wolfs mind in this arch. I already proved he's berserk.

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Did you read the arc?

Indeed. Did you? Because he was mind controlled just like Moonstone was.

http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/8359/capamericav140611roughe.jpg I guess Moonstone also has the mind of a wolf.....LOL

He was pinned to the ground and unable to defend himself in spite of his resolve to do so... that's a disadvantage.

Unable to defend himself. Actually read jinzin.

Gotta get shield in position must move(as he was interrupted by Moonstone). He was in position to defend himself. Wolverines not holding down his arms. You'll twist anything.

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Oh the irony.

Face it. Scans prove you wrong no matte what you type.

So what? You think Cap will be more aggressive than Wolverine in a fight?
LMAO... you're always good for a laugh DD1

Again rebuttal with no real relevance. Point is thats the reason Logan did bad against Elektra. Plus notice again she didn't mind rape him in that fight because she can't. And she admitted she was trying to kill Logan as well.

Originally posted by jinzin
So ABC logic is irrelevant, but only when you don't like it. When you think it supports your agenda, then it's okay.... nice rhetoric.
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Doesn't really hurt my case. Even if you remove DD from my equation Cap is still enhanced and has the better speed feats.

Cap has some different speed feats than Elektra but none of them better. Elektra's speed is at the top of the street level food chain. And her feats are easily more impressive than Caps.

This isn't a foot race, so Cap whizzing past DD doesn't mean much here.

Just more DD1 ignorance...

I'm always up for one more of your "just cause" arguments.

Iron Fist compliments on Cap's speed and power. Daredevil says Cap is stronger and faster. Punisher states Cap is stronger faster. Cable said it as well as New Cap. At least with Cap we know were he stands. He is at the peak of human potential and compliments of being faster including whizzing by Daredevil. Who is a great athlete just like Elektra.

Point is. There are dozens of statements for Cap being at the peak of human potential in the story books since you don't like handbooks. Now lets see you show proof that Elektra has superhuman speed from the books. Otherwise your just making things up just like your above old statements.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Doesn't really hurt my case. Even if you remove DD from my equation Cap is still enhanced and has the better speed feats.

Iron Fist compliments on Cap's speed and power. Daredevil says Cap is stronger and faster. Punisher states Cap is stronger faster. Cable said it as well as New Cap. At least with Cap we know were he stands. He is at the peak of human potential and compliments of being faster including whizzing by Daredevil. Who is a great athlete just like Elektra.

Point is. There are dozens of statements for Cap being at the peak of human potential in the story books since you don't like handbooks. Now lets see you show proof that Elektra has superhuman speed from the books. Otherwise your just making things up just like your above old statements.

Good post-I haven't seen any evidence to confirm that Elektra is definitely faster than Cap.