I just thought of something funny about Daken's Muramasa claws. They're supposed to negate healing factors right? Well if Daken's claws are anything like his dads, doesn't that mean that there should be a bloody mess everytime he "pops" them out kinda like Wolverine right after he had his adamantium riped out by Magneto?
I'm not saying that kind of thing is something that should really be taken into consideration in vs matches, I just thought it was a funny oversight on Marvel's part...
Originally posted by darthgooberThat's why Wolverine's claws back in the day came with the small Adamantium ports that kept his skin opened where they came out. Artist interpretation's tend to ignore this nowadays since the X-movies though, it'd be one reasonable explanation for Daken.
I just thought of something funny about Daken's Muramasa claws. They're supposed to negate healing factors right? Well if Daken's claws are anything like his dads, doesn't that mean that there should be a bloody mess everytime he "pops" them out kinda like Wolverine right after he had his adamantium riped out by Magneto?I'm not saying that kind of thing is something that should really be taken into consideration in vs matches, I just thought it was a funny oversight on Marvel's part...
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Damn. I think you're right, it was only the mask. I admit it, sometimes I'm just blinded by my hatred.Parker wasn't trying to dodge then, Daken used his pheromones and took him off guard. He just didn't want to kill him.
Well, it happens to the best of us.
What do you mean he wasn't trying to dodge? Of course Parker was trying to dodge. That what he was trying to do when Daken was knocking him around, he just couldn't because of Darken's pheromone manipulation.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Yes, they are.Anything except "a memory" (Armor's forcefield) and adamantium.
So they can't truly cut through everything.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
OK. Omega Red did something like that to Logan and cut his leg. But there's no proof that Daken is THAT affected by CIS and just wouldn't sheathe the claws.
Well, if he did that then, Toxin could always rip his arms out of their sockets, and beat him to a bloody pulp with them. His somewhere from a Class 70 to a Class 90 as I recall in strength. That level of power should be more than sufficient to do that. Toxin isn't a killer but his still bloody and brutal to an extent.
The moment Toxin gets his hands on him, Daken should be finished.
Do you happen to have his bio? I can't seem to find it in my handbook collection(I'll keep on looking.). Isn't he supposed to be faster etc. than Venom, Carnage, and/or Spider-Man, put together or something along those lines?
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Hawkeye's bow > regular bowHe was in no condition to react appropriately fast.
Clearly.
I don't see why not. Daken was out and was done with his pheromone manipulation. There should have been no reason why he physically wasn't able to dodge those arrows or snatch them out of the air.
Originally posted by carver9what was the purpose in this statement...........do i know you?
Of course you'll say that. At least we all know that wolverine is still>namor. 💃
BTW, these questions aren't really meant to be answered......so don't feel the need to respond.
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spidey beat daken.........toxin owns
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Well, it happens to the best of us.What do you mean he wasn't trying to dodge? Of course Parker was trying to dodge. That what he was trying to do when Daken was knocking him around, he just couldn't because of Darken's pheromone manipulation.
So they can't truly cut through everything.
Well, if he did that then, Toxin could always rip his arms out of their sockets, and beat him to a bloody pulp with them. His somewhere from a Class 70 to a Class 90 as I recall in strength. That level of power should be more than sufficient to do that. Toxin isn't a killer but his still bloody and brutal to an extent.
The moment Toxin gets his hands on him, Daken should be finished.
Do you happen to have his bio? I can't seem to find it in my handbook collection(I'll keep on looking.). Isn't he supposed to be faster etc. than Venom, Carnage, and/or Spider-Man, put together or something along those lines?
Clearly.
I don't see why not. Daken was out and was done with his pheromone manipulation. There should have been no reason why he physically wasn't able to dodge those arrows or snatch them out of the air.
Can you show me where you're getting toxin strength from because if you cant I'm going to use your technique. Daken should be able to hold him off since he's class 25 in strength. 😕
You see how crazy that is; there is nothing suggesting that toxin is even over the 30 ton range.
Originally posted by carver9
Of course you'll say that. At least we all know that wolverine is still>namor. 💃
ohnoesplz mariofacepalm WTF Wolverine fanboys suck so much Logan nut !!! They will ride on Wolverine, Sabertooths nuts no matter what. In there minds those guys can never lose at all. ****Omega Red, X-23*** are the exception. Jinzin is the only logical guy.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Well, it happens to the best of us.What do you mean he wasn't trying to dodge? Of course Parker was trying to dodge. That what he was trying to do when Daken was knocking him around, he just couldn't because of Darken's pheromone manipulation.
I meant that when Daken surprised him from behind, Peter didn't try to dodge the attack. He simply didn't see it coming 'cause of all those pheromones. If Daken wanted to kill him, he'd stab him instead of just scratching.
Just wondering - were his gloves made of unstable molecules, too? And what about those tendrils coming from his shoulders?
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
So they can't truly cut through everything.
They cannot cut Armor's forcefield because of some mystical aspect (rage cannot erase the memory or something) and adamantium is, well, adamantium.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Well, if he did that then, Toxin could always rip his arms out of their sockets, and beat him to a bloody pulp with them. His somewhere from a Class 70 to a Class 90 as I recall in strength. That level of power should be more than sufficient to do that. Toxin isn't a killer but his still bloody and brutal to an extent.The moment Toxin gets his hands on him, Daken should be finished.
M. claws =/= basic knowledge
I think Toxin would just underestimate Akihiro and let him stab him, just like in that Razorfist fight...
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Do you happen to have his bio? I can't seem to find it in my handbook collection(I'll keep on looking.). Isn't he supposed to be faster etc. than Venom, Carnage, and/or Spider-Man, put together or something along those lines?
I do not 🙁 If you find it, please post it.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Clearly.I don't see why not. Daken was out and was done with his pheromone manipulation. There should have been no reason why he physically wasn't able to dodge those arrows or snatch them out of the air.
He said that he was dizzy from the blood loss.
Originally posted by carver9
Can you show me where you're getting toxin strength from because if you cant I'm going to use your technique. Daken should be able to hold him off since he's class 25 in strength. 😕You see how crazy that is; there is nothing suggesting that toxin is even over the 30 ton range.
Originally posted by ankur29daken would break as woudl logan without adamantium
cyber who is in class 25 tops says explicitly he'd break daken , toxin>class 25 he'd rip daken limb from limb like stryfe did ddeadpool
toxin is able to lift 50 ton + 11 ton minimum assuming you add carnage and venoms strength and he's a lot stronger than the two combined its stated by both carnage and venom i think
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
I meant that when Daken surprised him from behind, Peter didn't try to dodge the attack. He simply didn't see it coming 'cause of all those pheromones. If Daken wanted to kill him, he'd stab him instead of just scratching.
Well Daken did say he was holding back so he wasn't going for the fatal attacks, but the way he said, I believe he was trying to incapacitate Spider-Man but at the same time keep him alive for Osborn. Spider-Man's reflexes are impressive, so I'm not surprised that even with the pheromones Daken would have problems, making severe cuts, but who knows. I think it's just a mater of the way you look at it. It's clear though Daken was holding back.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Just wondering - were his gloves made of unstable molecules, too? And what about those tendrils coming from his shoulders?
I think the costume is special in itself, but not made out of unstable molecules and not nearly as durable as the mask. As we saw it was ripped and shredded into pieces, and Bullseye's arrow went through him, while the mask protected Parker from a point blank gun shot without damaging him.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
They cannot cut Armor's forcefield because of some mystical aspect (rage cannot erase the memory or something) and adamantium is, well, adamantium.
I know that.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
M. claws =/= basic knowledgeI think Toxin would just underestimate Akihiro and let him stab him, just like in that Razorfist fight...
True, but if we use in character scenarios, it's less likely that Daken would use the claws than it is that Toxin would dodge in my opinion. Toxin was toying with Razorfist that's all.
What was up with Razorfist stabbing Toxin? How strong is he?
At point blank range, multiple barrages of high caliber bullets were literally bouncing of Toxin without so much as phasing him.
Probably just plot induced stupidity or maybe Toxin being a shape shifter, simply allowed that to happen. With his shape shifting abilities, it's much harder to actually hit Pat.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
I do not 🙁 If you find it, please post it.
Will do. I know I have it somewhere. I recall being impressed by his bio or something along those lines. I think he has much greater strength than Venom, Carnage and/or Spider-Man combined, as well as greatly superior speed, reflexes, durability to all three. Something like that, give or take, but I want to find it to confirm. Toxin is a real power house. Daken's only hope is those claws, but if Toxin doesn't want to get hit, Daken isn't touching him in my opinion. Still, it's not really in Toxin's character to dodge unless he wants to kick your ass and it's not in Daken's character to use the Muramasa claws.
Also, what about Toxin's energy attacks? He was about to kill Carnage, with some type of greenish energy attack, but stopped. He isn't limited to physical confrontation either.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
He said that he was dizzy from the blood loss.
I missed that part, lol.
Originally posted by carver9
Can you show me where you're getting toxin strength from because if you cant I'm going to use your technique. Daken should be able to hold him off since he's class 25 in strength. 😕You see how crazy that is; there is nothing suggesting that toxin is even over the 30 ton range.
Toxin is stronger than Carnage, Venom, and/or Spider-Man combined. His way above the 25 ton mark. Isn't Carnage a lot stronger than that? Either way, Toxin manhandled beings like the Wrecker, and Thunderball without any trouble whatsoever, and the Wrecker alone is a class 50. His strength level is somewhere between class 70 and the class 95 if I would take a guess.
By the way a class 25 would be able to rip Daken into pieces, if they got their hands on him.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I think the costume is special in itself, but not made out of unstable molecules and not nearly as durable as the mask. As we saw it was ripped and shredded into pieces, and Bullseye's arrow went through him, while the mask protected Parker from a point blank gun shot without damaging him.
Aren't FF uniforms made of unstable molecules... and Bullseye's arrow pierced it anyway.
X-Men uniforms used to be made of them, too. To be honest, I find it strange that mask was that durable just because of unstable molecules.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
True, but if we use in character scenarios, it's less likely that Daken would use the claws than it is that Toxin would dodge in my opinion. Toxin was toying with Razorfist that's all.
No story involving Daken I can think of took place after WO #36... we've yet to see him w/ Muramasa claws in action, so saying that it's not in his character to use them is just wrong. Even in Dark Wolverine he has bone claws only.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
What was up with Razorfist stabbing Toxin? How strong is he?
Peak human at best.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
At point blank range, multiple barrages of high caliber bullets were literally bouncing of Toxin without so much as phasing him.
Artist... I bet he'd make Venom and Carnage seem completely bulletproof, too.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Also, what about Toxin's energy attacks? He was about to kill Carnage, with some type of greenish energy attack, but stopped. He isn't limited to physical confrontation either.
Haven't heard about that energy projection thing, any chance for scans?
