Toxin vs. Daken

Originally posted by carver9
What are you talkling about? On the second page of the battle, the artist start putting green dots around spiderman head showing daken using his pheromones. In the beginning on the battle, there were no pheromones and spiderman got blitzed.

How about this, put up the battle, view it and then talk to me later about it.

I could easily say daken was superior since spiderman couldnt keep up with him before the use of the pheromones but i didnt.

😂 Daken doesn't "blitz" Spiderman, where did you get that?

He flips over Spidey and kicks him in the back. Hardly a blitz, slower characters have actually tagged Spiderman before Daken. This is no way an indication that Daken is faster.

The next time Daken hits Spiderman the green bubbles are around Parker's head, indicating he's being influenced by the pheromones.

Originally posted by Trackz
notice how the green dots disappear a panel or two later, then reappear? do you think that means the pheromones suddenly stopped working?

You dont make sense, the pheromones wasnt used in the beginning of the battle. Daken started using it when he was talking to spiderman.

Originally posted by The Pict
😂 Daken doesn't "blitz" Spiderman, where did you get that?

He flips over Spidey and kicks him in the back. Hardly a blitz, slower characters have actually tagged Spiderman before Daken. This is no way an indication that Daken is faster.

The next time Daken hits Spiderman the green bubbles are around Parker's head, indicating he's being influenced by the pheromones.

Moving faster than spiderman can react is a blitz in my category when it come to street levelers.

Originally posted by carver9
Moving faster than spiderman can react is a blitz in my category when it come to street levelers.

Originally posted by carver9
What are you talkling about? On the second page of the battle, the artist start putting green dots around spiderman head showing daken using his pheromones. In the beginning on the battle, there were no pheromones and spiderman got blitzed.

How about this, put up the battle, view it and then talk to me later about it.

I could easily say daken was superior since spiderman couldnt keep up with him before the use of the pheromones but i didnt.

Originally posted by carver9
You dont make sense, the pheromones wasnt used in the beginning of the battle. Daken started using it when he was talking to spiderman.

Originally posted by carver9
Moving faster than spiderman can react is a blitz in my category when it come to street levelers.

Moving faster isn't a blitz. Let this "Daken is faster" argument go. No where in that encounter is it indicated that Daken is faster than Spiderman.
Like I said slower characters than Daken have tagged Spidey before, so your argument is invalid anyway.

Originally posted by SamZED
Yeah 'cause when Daken used the pheromones on Wolverine or Deadpool there were always the green dots.. spider sense warned Peter but Daken still appeared out of "nowhere" the same way he used to vanish and appear behind Wolverine's back. Its all the pheromones effect. Green dots is just an effect the artist desided to put on that page. Doesnt mean that's the only time Daken was using his powers. As for Daken being equel let alone superior, thats ridiculous, that becomes clear at the end of the fight when Parker relied on his ss..

Again, prove that daken was using his pheromones at the beginning of the battle.

Originally posted by The Pict
Moving faster isn't a blitz. Let this "Daken is faster" argument go. No where in that encounter is it indicated that Daken is faster than Spiderman.
Like I said slower characters than Daken have tagged Spidey before, so your argument is invalid anyway.

He's fast enough to keep up with spidey.

Originally posted by Trackz
have you read dakens other appearances?

Yes I did and everyone commented on his speed.

Originally posted by Trackz
spiderman did react though...he dodged the attack

After getting kicked in the back.

Originally posted by carver9
Again, prove that daken was using his pheromones at the beginning of the battle.

Originally posted by carver9
Yes I did and everyone commented on his speed.

Originally posted by carver9
After getting kicked in the back.

Originally posted by SamZED
How about YOU prove your statement that Daken is faster than Spider-man. Feats maybe? 'cause all you have now is Daken appearing out of nowhere (the thing he does ALL the time using his PHEROMONES almost EVERY time he fights) and then getting his ass kicked the moment Spider-man overcame the pheromones effect. So forgive me for doubting that he's anywhere close near Spider-man in speed.

I never said that he was faster than spiderman, I said that I could easily say that he's faster than him by the attacks that he made on spidey. The reason spidey defeated him was due to daken fighting lazy and relying on his pheromones.

Spidey basically caught him by surprise by over coming his pheromones and attacking him but it was plain and clear that daken could have killed him anytime during that arc and that daken was toying with him.

By the way, assassins do the reappearing act on a daily basis. I could easily bring up wolverine appearing in the fantastic four mansion during the infinite gauntlet saga. No one sensed him coming and it was some of the most powerful beings on marvel earth in that building. He not only did that but he got pass the fantastic fours security systems, you know, the systems that is built by reed, one of the most smartest beings on the face of the planet.

I already told you when he used the pheromones, prove that he didnt use it during the time I said he used it.

Originally posted by carver9
I never said that he was faster than spiderman, I said that I could easily say that he's faster than him by the attacks that he made on spidey. The reason spidey defeated him was due to daken fighting lazy and relying on his pheromones.

Spidey basically caught him by surprise by over coming his pheromones and attacking him but it was plain and clear that daken could have killed him anytime during that arc and that daken was toying with him.

By the way, assassins do the reappearing act on a daily basis. I could easily bring up wolverine appearing in the fantastic four mansion during the infinite gauntlet saga. No one sensed him coming and it was some of the most powerful beings on marvel earth in that building. He not only did that but he got pass the fantastic fours security systems, you know, the systems that is built by reed, one of the most smartest beings on the face of the planet.

I already told you when he used the pheromones, prove that he didnt use it during the time I said he used it.

Ok but you DID say that he's at least equel. Im not gonna prove anything until you support your claim with speed feats that match or surpass Paerker's, besides there's nothing to prove. Daken's done the same thing with Deadpool, with Wolverine (like ten times) and HE HIMSELF explained that its not his speed but the pheromones and there were NO green dots when he used them on Logan or Wade. So again, it's up to you to prove your claim.

As for assasins doing the reappearing act has nothing to do here, neither does Wolverine getting passed ff security. Spider-man did the same thing with Latverian embacy and he's no assasin. You're suggesting that Daken moved faster than Spider-man REACTS while Spider-man easilly reacts to arrows, energy beams and even bullets to the point when he can catch them. So if you're gonna keep suggesting that at least prove it with feats, 'cause now your only argument is Daken doing that thing he does all the time using his pheromones.

Originally posted by SamZED
Ok but you DID say that he's at least equel. Im not gonna prove anything until you support your claim with speed feats that match or surpass Paerker's, besides there's nothing to prove. Daken's done the same thing with Deadpool, with Wolverine (like ten times) and HE HIMSELF explained that its not his speed but the pheromones and there were NO green dots when he used them on Logan or Wade. So again, it's up to you to prove your claim.

As for assasins doing the reappearing act has nothing to do here, neither does Wolverine getting passed ff security. Spider-man did the same thing with Latverian embacy and he's no assasin. You're suggesting that Daken moved faster than Spider-man REACTS while Spider-man easilly reacts to arrows, energy beams and even bullets to the point when he can catch them. So if you're gonna keep suggesting that at least prove it with feats, 'cause now your only argument is Daken doing that thing he does all the time using his pheromones.

😕 Daken never said that he use his pheromones for his speed feats, he said that its a tactic that he learned from his master, being where his enemy isnt looking. 🙁

And again, without him even using his pheromones, everyone has commented on his speed. Wolverine, deadpool, cyber, along with the xmen has said something about his speed and this was without him using his powers.

He's in spiderman league if you ask me.

By the way, everyone that I have named dodged bullets, etc... but they still commented on how fast daken was.

im not doubting that he's crazy fast, i just doubt that he's Spider-man's equel. Its just after the whole bnd and downgrades, his speed is the only thing that keeps him going. Even his ss is crappy comparing to what it was BEFORE all his upgrades. Anyway, i guess im just upset because he's a fairly new character and he already beat 2 out of 3 my favorite characters (Wolverine, DP) using the pheromones 🙁 so im gonna wait till he demonstrates more speed feats to put him in their or Parkers speed class.

Originally posted by SamZED
im not doubting that he's crazy fast, i just doubt that he's Spider-man's equel. Its just after the whole bnd and downgrades, his speed is the only thing that keeps him going. Even his ss is crappy comparing to what it was BEFORE all his upgrades. Anyway, i guess im just upset because he's a fairly new character and he already beat 2 out of 3 my favorite characters (Wolverine, DP) using the pheromones 🙁 so im gonna wait till he demonstrates more speed feats to put him in their or Parkers speed class.

Got a question for ya and I would love for you to be honest. If you were in a training session with someone crazy like wolverine and he had his claws out during the training session, swinging them at you, would you take him seriously?