Toxin vs. Daken

Originally posted by carver9
Got a question for ya and I would love for you to be honest. If you were in a training session with someone crazy like wolverine and he had his claws out during the training session, swinging them at you, would you take him seriously?

Originally posted by SamZED
Well, concidering that i dont have superpowers and i wont be even able to see him move if he desides to attack me I guess I would be a little worried, on the other hand I KNOW that I really shouldnt be worried because Wolverine would never stab me because he's a good guy and he's crazy accurate with his claws. Remember seeing him stop his attack in like 1 sm away from someone's eyeball.. forgot where..

I'm asking this because during a training session (marvel knights #13) wolverine stabbed spiderman. The thing about it is that Spiderman pissed wolverine off before they got into this training session and wolverine told spiderman that he was going to get him back. Wolverine then attacks spiderman full force ending with spiderman webbing him. Wolverine breaks free and stabs spiderman. It was pretty obvious that wolverine was serious.

Wolverine has been in so many brawls with spiderman and NEVER commented on his speed whereas the same cant be said about spiderman. On the other hand, we have Wolverine complimenting Daken speed more than once.

I can almost clear my hands on the times spiderman complimented wolverines speed, didnt he compliment wolverine speed during his fight with daken.

Spiderman is making it pretty clear that wolverine is as fast or faster than him.

Originally posted by carver9
I'm asking this because during a training session (marvel knights #13) wolverine stabbed spiderman. The thing about it is that Spiderman pissed wolverine off before they got into this training session and wolverine told spiderman that he was going to get him back. Wolverine then attacks spiderman full force ending with spiderman webbing him. Wolverine breaks free and stabs spiderman. It was pretty obvious that wolverine was serious.

Wolverine has been in so many brawls with spiderman and NEVER commented on his speed whereas the same cant be said about spiderman. On the other hand, we have Wolverine complimenting Daken speed more than once.

I can almost clear my hands on the times spiderman complimented wolverines speed, didnt he compliment wolverine speed during his fight with daken.

Spiderman is making it pretty clear that wolverine is as fast or faster than him.

Originally posted by Trackz
wolverine really shount even be in this topic save for his encounter with daken in which it is made clear daken was using his pheromones on him.

How about you prove that during every one of wolverine and daken encounters, daken used pheromones. If you cant prove this, stop responding to my post.

Parker shouldnt be a topic as well seeing as how Toxins physical stats greatly eclipse his

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Parker shouldnt be a topic as well seeing as how Toxins physical stats greatly eclipse his

Except speed which is why parker is being brought up.

Originally posted by carver9
I'm asking this because during a training session (marvel knights #13) wolverine stabbed spiderman. The thing about it is that Spiderman pissed wolverine off before they got into this training session and wolverine told spiderman that he was going to get him back. Wolverine then attacks spiderman full force ending with spiderman webbing him. Wolverine breaks free and stabs spiderman. It was pretty obvious that wolverine was serious.

Wolverine has been in so many brawls with spiderman and NEVER commented on his speed whereas the same cant be said about spiderman. On the other hand, we have Wolverine complimenting Daken speed more than once.

I can almost clear my hands on the times spiderman complimented wolverines speed, didnt he compliment wolverine speed during his fight with daken.

Spiderman is making it pretty clear that wolverine is as fast or faster than him.

u have a scan of Parker, post-omd, that shows him being faster than Toxin?

Originally posted by SamZED
I remember that scene. I really think that was an accident, Wolverine didnt say that he's gonna get Spider-man back, in fact he said that was an accident and it looked like he was sincer. Also Spider-man looked very surprised, for all their fights Parker never expect that Wolverine would actually go ahead and stab him (remember that little fight scene they had in a bar, Parker even said "you wouldn't stab me, your a good guy" or something of that sort.
And Spider-man tends to exaggerate, he once said that he lifted a weight Thor and HULK could never lift.

What does exaggerating have to do with spiderman repeatedly saying that wolverine is fast, possibly faster than him.

Spiderman has on numerous of occassions said something about wolverine speed.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
u have a scan of Parker, post-omd, that shows him being faster than Toxin?

You have any speed feats that makes you think he faster than parker?

How about we compare speed feats between toxin and parker, I'm going with parker.

No, i dont need to see speed feats between the two to determine that. As Parker is a more popular character and has a library to chose from whereas Toxin does not.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
No, i dont need to see speed feats between the two to determine that. As Parker is a more popular character and has a library to chose from whereas Toxin does not.

So what are you getting your judgement from that toxin is faster than parker

Originally posted by carver9
What does exaggerating have to do with spiderman repeatedly saying that wolverine is fast, possibly faster than him.

Spiderman has on numerous of occassions said something about wolverine speed.

Originally posted by SamZED
I remember him saying that during their first fight. He was SCARED of Wolverine back then and was moving much slower than usually (according to himself) so there's no wonder he was questioning his own abilities especially while facing such a fast and dangerous opponent, yet he dodged pretty much every attack.
But what does it have to do with Daken? He's no Wolverine. Spider-man even called him a Wolverine wannabe.

Do you honestly think that wolvy was trying to cut spiderman? If he wanted to cut him, he would have done it instead of punching him in the face.

😕 Daken Blitzed wolverine without using his pheromones and Wolverine complimented daken on his speed.

Originally posted by carver9
Do you honestly think that wolvy was trying to cut spiderman? If he wanted to cut him, he would have done it instead of punching him in the face.

😕 Daken Blitzed wolverine without using his pheromones and Wolverine complimented daken on his speed.

Originally posted by carver9
Do you honestly think that wolvy was trying to cut spiderman? If he wanted to cut him, he would have done it instead of punching him in the face.

Originally posted by carver9

😕 Daken Blitzed wolverine without using his pheromones and Wolverine complimented daken on his speed.

Originally posted by carver9
So what are you getting your judgement from that toxin is faster than parker

Common sense, after Quesada wrote OMD its revealed that Parker lost all those lovely upgrades that placed him close to the symbiotes power levels. Right now after the witnessing all the beatings he's taken recently (especially at the hands of Lilly Hollister) I place him slighty above his original abilities. Whereas its been continuosly stated that Toxin is greater than his counterparts physically. Call it abc logic if u will, i just dont see him as faster.

Originally posted by ankur29
can i ask whether you think all SM insinuations are credible,
do you agree sentry is above black bolt?
sentry stalemated galuctus?

spiderman reflexes is 40x faster than normal human? (btw sorry about the bad quality)

what about SM insinuating wolverine has normal human strength?(i did not put teh lol there)

why is it acceptable to consider some insinuation credible and multiple others not, there seems to be double standards on these froums , only accepting some scenarios when it glorifies one's favourite charecter 🙁

hence SM saying daken is almost as fast as wolveirne can be wrong 😖

Slight problem there... Those insinuations aren't backed by on panel evidence to support them. Wolverine's speed and Daken's speed IS..... which part of that even makes it close to the same? Or do you not consider that difference to be important?

Originally posted by jinzin
Slight problem there... Those insinuations aren't backed by on panel evidence to support them. Wolverine's speed and Daken's speed IS..... which part of that even makes it close to the same? Or do you not consider that difference to be important?

Originally posted by Trackz
what on panel evidence do we have to back dakens speed? he's used pheromones to mess with his opponents senses in near all of his fights

Trackz, just be quiet. When you prove that Daken used pheromones in every one of his encounters with anyone, THEN you have an argument