Originally posted by redhotrashhe beat both of them, together, apparently experience didn't help much
Wolverine isnt as fast as Spidey as far as I can tell. However that isnt the point here. Toxin is a overrated marvel flavor of the month character. He has NONE of the interesting traits of either Venom or Carnage. I had the same opinion of Daken at first but hes won me over. Anyway, in a fight between this two I'd think Daken could decapitate Toxin., who isnt as experienced as Venom or Carnage.
lol, that was one of the worst written comics ever. Read it again, its full of errors. Just off the top of my head I remember there being a incorrect hostage count early on as well as Black Cat not knowing who/what Venom or Carnage are. Also anyone whos ever read a comic with either character will tell you both were written completely out of character. They go from willing giving their lives in order to kill each other to setting everything aside to fight some cop with a symbiote? Please...
Originally posted by carver9
😕 Daken never said that he use his pheromones for his speed feats, he said that its a tactic that he learned from his master, being where his enemy isnt looking. 🙁
Originally posted by carver9
How about you prove that during every one of wolverine and daken encounters, daken used pheromones. If you cant prove this, stop responding to my post.
Carver, all of that was explained in Original Sin... he DID use the pheromones. That tactic of his is all about pheromone manipulation...
Originally posted by jinzin
Spiderman tried to use impact webbing on Daken immediately after vacating the elevator and Daken wasn't even there anymore.Daken's commented 2 or three times on Wolverine being slow while beating him to the punch.
Tinkerer said Daken was just like his father biologically.
There should really be no question he's as fast as Wolverine. 😕
I think he messed up Spidey's aim. I agree with the rest of your post, though.
Originally posted by SamZEDI don't remember it happening that way. I remember him owning both of them, and he isn't experienced with the symbiote at all.
Actually he only beat Carnage. He never fought Venom 1 on 1 and when Carnage teamed-up with Venom they trashed Toxin with ease.
Spiderman took care of him when he saw him stealing, but obviously I doubt that would happen at full power.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I don't remember it happening that way. I remember him owning both of them, and he isn't experienced with the symbiote at all.Spiderman took care of him when he saw him stealing, but obviously I doubt that would happen at full power.
Venom and Carnage ambushed Toxin and were close to killing him, then Spiderman turned up, and got V+C out the way long enough to Toxin to recover.
He then beat down on Carnage again.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTWbeing biologically similar doesn't mean that they would be the same speed, I'm biologically the same as tyson gay, that doesn't mean I'm as fast as him.
Carver, all of that was explained in Original Sin... he DID use the pheromones. That tactic of his is all about pheromone manipulation...I think he messed up Spidey's aim. I agree with the rest of your post, though.
Originally posted by Trackz
being biologically similar doesn't mean that they would be the same speed, I'm biologically the same as tyson gay, that doesn't mean I'm as fast as him.
agreed, he's bologically simailar cause he is logan's son 😕
however there powers are not to the same extent, i.e. logasn healing factor is better
i doubt he has wolverine's enhanced powers (i thought logan's attribute were increased by weapon x program) , daken didn't undergo same process as logan so shouldn't he have logans powers without weapon x enhancements
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
You're basing that off the handbook? One of the most inaccurate handbooks I've seen?
umm not really ,
my post said that logan
"i doubt he has wolverine's enhanced powers (i thought logan's attribute were increased by weapon x program) , daken didn't undergo same process as logan so shouldn't he have logans powers without weapon x enhancements "
has daken done anything to show his HF is on logan's level ( i acknowlege daken is a new charecter without as many appearances as logan)
cyber pretty much put daken down but couldnt do it to logan
Originally posted by Trackz
wasn't he closer to it?it missed it's target because spiderman shot at where he thought daken was, daken mentions at that point I believe screwing with spidermans senses, that includes sight. Shooting web and having daken vanish is no different than when any of them threw a punch and daken wasn't there.
Not really.
He shot at where Daken was... unless you think Daken's pheramones can affect you the reader of the comic. You clearly see Daken in the Elevator, by the time Spiderman had shot his webbing Daken was already not there. It had nothing to do with Spiderman's perception. You the reader can clearly see where Daken was prior to the webbing; he wasn't there when it landed.
Originally posted by ankur29
umm not really ,my post said that logan
"i doubt he has wolverine's enhanced powers (i thought logan's attribute were increased by weapon x program) , daken didn't undergo same process as logan so shouldn't he have logans powers without weapon x enhancements "
has daken done anything to show his HF is on logan's level ( i acknowlege daken is a new charecter without as many appearances as logan)
cyber pretty much put daken down but couldnt do it to logan
So we're using Cyber info, well cyber pretty much said that Daken is faster than wolverine.
Originally posted by jinzin...but for all of his fights w see daken in one place, a character swings, and daken is gone. how is this any different?
Not really.He shot at where Daken was... unless you think Daken's pheramones can affect you the reader of the comic. You clearly see Daken in the Elevator, by the time Spiderman had shot his webbing Daken was already not there. It had nothing to do with Spiderman's perception. You the reader can clearly see where Daken was prior to the webbing; he wasn't there when it landed.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Carver, all of that was explained in Original Sin... he DID use the pheromones. That tactic of his is all about pheromone manipulation...I think he messed up Spidey's aim. I agree with the rest of your post, though.
I knew that was made clear but Daken didnt use his pheromones in EVERY battle that he had with his father, especially in the beginning.
Originally posted by ankur29
umm not really ,my post said that logan
"i doubt he has wolverine's enhanced powers (i thought logan's attribute were increased by weapon x program) , daken didn't undergo same process as logan so shouldn't he have logans powers without weapon x enhancements "
has daken done anything to show his HF is on logan's level ( i acknowlege daken is a new charecter without as many appearances as logan)
cyber pretty much put daken down but couldnt do it to logan
I was talking about the healing factor, not enhancements. Weapon X Files say that Daken's one apparently isn't as powerful as his father's - which very well might be true, but we have yet to see that stated on panel.
Daniel Way tends to reduce healing factors.
Daken's been ripped from the womb and healed. There's no adamantium poisoning him if you don't count those sheathes. Cuts made by Tinkerer healed instantly. He emerged from flames... it's too early to discuss whose HF is faster...