Originally posted by StoicI disagree. Wm is significantly stronger th a normal Namor. Namor doesn't fight with skill hardly any of the time. He just brawls.
They are both roughly the same in terms of strength, but Namor is a better fighter. Simon is more powerful because of his genetic makeup, but they are roughly the same in the durability dept. What gives one the nod over the other is combat ability, and Namor's combat ability takes a dump on Simon's. Simon would be throwing mountain shakers that would often miss, while Namor would be hitting him with combo's.
Originally posted by h1a8
Wm is significantly stronger th a normal Namor.
Namor lifted Hydrobase from the bottom of the Hudson River by himself. He held Utopia (another island) while they were putting it's supporting pylons in place.
Simon was busting his ass attempting to merely BALANCE Hydrobase on hill with Invisible Woman helping him out.
Originally posted by h1a8
I disagree. Wm is significantly stronger th a normal Namor. Namor doesn't fight with skill hardly any of the time. He just brawls.
Yes but under forum rules they begin at tip top. You aren't under the impression that Namor has been out in the desert for hours cooking are you? With that being said, they are roughly the same strength class. Namor is the better fighter by far. Even if he isn't the Jet Li of comics, his combat experience is far greater than Simon's. You can have two guys of roughly the same strength square off in a boxing match, and if one of those guys is a far better pugilist than the other, it's going to be a no contest. Just Youtube some of Ali's fights in his prime, and you will get the picture.
Originally posted by zopzop
Simon made Thing look weak? Did you even read the comic? Thing was trouncing him and Xemu had to jump in and help Simon out. In fact, it was Xemu that warped that weight around Thing and allowed Simon to catch his breath and renew his attack. Yes, you can argue that Simon was mindcontrolled but Thing was HOLDING BACK not wanting to hurt Simon AND Simon had help MULTIPLE TIMES from Xemu.
I'm talking about Simon picking the weight that the Thing was wrapped up in with one arm and throwing it. A weight that the Thing could barely lift. Namor isn't going to show that kind of strength ever.
Apparently Namor DOES have a chance against lesser versions of Sentry because he tooled him on panel, just like Hercules did.
Lol. Oh God. I'm not sure what to say here. Namor couldn't beat Sentry on his worse day. Lets stop the crazy talk here.
Well we KNOW at least one of those characters meant business and was out for blood vs Namor. Namor shut him down and tooled Simon and held his own vs "angsty" Sentry.
Yes, the weakest character was out for blood (and got some). Hardly a great feat. Ares is a whipping boy. Yeah, he tooled Simon and Sentry. Same story line had Sentry running from a Human Torch because he was afraid of fire. Lol. Great example.
They really only fought once and Hercules broke his phucking face. Namor and Herc fought multiple times and Namor more than held his own. All you have to do is google "Namor vs Hercules".
That same crazy Hercules would have broken Namors neck. There's no shame in having your face busted by a blood thirty Hercules. Hell Thor one shot Namor in the rain. I could never see Wonder Man getting one shotted. Seems the times Namor got the advantage over Hercules, they were in the water. That seems about right.
Yeah and Namor just got through fighting Hercules with other Avengers like Vision and Thunderstrike taking potshots at him, then when they peaced it up, Namor was jumped by Abomination.
Nice feat.
Simon had his ARM BROKE in that fight with Hyperion that shook a "planetoid". Then he DIED when Hyperion pushed him through that PLANETOID and into the Sun. What's so great about that showing?
I was meaning the Gladiator fight when Simon got punched into the ground, but your right, it was the Hyperion fight.
Namor fought Behemoth and it was causing PLANET wide earthquakes on Earth. Google the difference between a PLANETOID and a PLANET and tell me which is the more impressive feat. As a bonus, Namor didn't get his arm broke or die.
I cant find scans, but cool feat.
Believe what you want, I don't care. Just stop ignoring on panel evidence because you don't like the outcome.
I've seen enough on panel evidence that I'm sticking with my opinion. I still think Simon is above Namor. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.
Originally posted by zopzopThat's impressive although I need to see the scans of the Utopia feat. Simon threw a tank at Hulk and it smashed to pieces on Hulk's body. The force that took to do that is easily in the hundreds of thousands of tons.
Proof?Namor lifted Hydrobase from the bottom of the Hudson River by himself. He held Utopia (another island) while they were putting it's supporting pylons in place.
Simon was busting his ass attempting to merely BALANCE Hydrobase on hill with Invisible Woman helping him out.
Isn't there a feat of Namor smashing a tank like it's made of tissue paper?
I need to see that again. Maybe you are right.
Originally posted by tkitna
Still taking Simon. Namor is too dumb to win. Just like this scan, if he was weakened, why not take the couple of seconds to fall into the water after Simon punched him? Sorry, Namors a dumbass and would lose.
Originally posted by juggernaut74
Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't Abomination under mindcontrol or some shit when Simon fought him?
Originally posted by zopzop
Again, against COMMON FOES, Namor has done better. It's a fact. Whether you accept it or not, I don't care.
Originally posted by h1a8
Namor doesn't fight with skill hardly any of the time. He just brawls.
When people say, "They won't use this in battle" is same thing as conceding and saying, " If he uses this in battle, my guy will lose". Instead of that, people should say, "Even using all of it, my guy could tank it (or counter it with.../or do better)" then name how he can counter or with what he can do better and in bigger scale...
Hmmm.
Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
One thing, you don't have to be stronger than a person to knock someone out, and Namor stopped fighitng midway and only then did WM knock out Namor. And this is pure lowball of Namor. You are lucky DarkCrawler isn't here anymore
Its not a lowball of Namor. Its right there on the panel. He just got his jaw smashed and for some reason did not seek the only thing that refreshes him and that's water that was mere feet away. He's a dumbass.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Then Venom was beating the shit out of him.http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16068989/Uncanny_Avengers_009-014.jpg.html
Vs
Originally posted by abhilegend
Also do you know what happened when Venom got drop on Namor, weakened him with a weapon? Namor ripped his tongue out and beat the **** out of him.http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Namor%20titles/Battles/Revolution03g.jpg
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Originally posted by zopzop
But it was more than a panic attack, Simon actually was fearing for his life. He always saw himself as invulnerable but he was having his faith in his durability challenged by the Hulk's strength!
Originally posted by tkitna
Its not a lowball of Namor. Its right there on the panel. He just got his jaw smashed and for some reason did not seek the only thing that refreshes him and that's water that was mere feet away. He's a dumbass.
