Namor vs Wonderman

Originally posted by tkitna
I'm talking about Simon picking the weight that the Thing was wrapped up in with one arm and throwing it. A weight that the Thing could barely lift. Namor isn't going to show that kind of strength ever.

We KNOW that Simon could barely balance Hydrobase with IW helping him. We KNOW Namor lifted Hydrobase from the bottom of the Hudson River. We KNOW Namor supported Utopia while they were putting the support pylons in place. We KNOW Namor did this without any help.

Waiting on the Doom Cityship scan from Abhi. That basically seals the deal.

Lol. Oh God. I'm not sure what to say here. Namor couldn't beat Sentry on his worse day. Lets stop the crazy talk here.

Yes, the weakest character was out for blood (and got some). Hardly a great feat. Ares is a whipping boy. Yeah, he tooled Simon and Sentry. Same story line had Sentry running from a Human Torch because he was afraid of fire. Lol. Great example.

That same crazy Hercules would have broken Namors neck. There's no shame in having your face busted by a blood thirty Hercules. Hell Thor one shot Namor in the rain. I could never see Wonder Man getting one shotted. Seems the times Namor got the advantage over Hercules, they were in the water. That seems about right.

I cant find scans, but cool feat.

I've seen enough on panel evidence that I'm sticking with my opinion. I still think Simon is above Namor. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

Originally posted by juggernaut74

Why do you need Abhi? DarkSaint is all you need.

Apparently lifted Hydro-Base off of the sea floor and re-floated it. Namor #46
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/...-Mariner46a.jpg

Only Thor and Wonder Man have done that BTW. Quasar tried and failed to do so with all the power he could muster.

Namor physically stops Dr Doom's *HUGE* ship (described as a "floating city"😉, rips the propellor off and then neary cap-sizes the boat with one punch. The narration also suggests that Namor has never fully tested the limits of his strength. Namor #32
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/...-Mariner32a.jpg
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/...-Mariner32b.jpg
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/...-Mariner32c.jpg

Curse you, Abhilegend!!!!!

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Why do you need Abhi? DarkSaint is all you need.

And this quote

Only Thor and Wonder Man have done that BTW. Quasar tried and failed to do so with all the power he could muster.

We already saw WM never lifted it, only balanced it with Invisible Woman's help. It was the Lava Men pillar that was supporting the weight of the island.

The Quasar anecdote is wrong too. He actually DID manage to lift the ENTIRE island but only a few inches off the water.

I cursed him and shook my fist most angrily.

Yeah, don't know why I said that Simon lifted the island or quasar failed to lift it. Thor also just towed it.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, don't know why I said that Simon lifted the island or quasar failed to lift it. Thor also just towed it.

Originally posted by zopzop
In your opinion, how do you explain that Namor has done better against common foes than Simon has?

Compare Simon/Herc to the multiple Namor/Herc fights.

Originally posted by zopzop Regarding Sentry, he's all over the place power wise. The Sentry that Namor took on during the DA saga was on the verge of going Void. So the fact that Namor did as well as he did against him is an accomplishment in and of itself. No one is saying Namor has a chance in Hell against Void, Voidtry, or even a high end Sentry. So cut that garbage out and don't put words in peoples mouth.

Originally posted by zopzop Tooling a non high end Sentry isn't that rare. Hercules did it and just like the Namor example, Sentry had back up (Venom was chewing on Hercules' head for phucks sake).

Originally posted by tkitna hurt Nefaria (I doubt Namor could have done that)

Originally posted by tkitna Oh God. You mean the comic relief writing that was the Hercules book? Who wrote that Pak? If so, enough said.

Originally posted by tkitna Simon is strong and durable enough to be knocked clear through planets and even a sun. I cant see Namor holding up under that kind of abuse.

Originally posted by Stoic
They are both roughly the same in terms of strength, but Namor is a better fighter. Simon is more powerful because of his genetic makeup, but they are roughly the same in the durability dept. What gives one the nod over the other is combat ability, and Namor's combat ability takes a dump on Simon's. Simon would be throwing mountain shakers that would often miss, while Namor would be hitting him with combo's.

Originally posted by Stoic
Lol. I know the exact scene that you are talking about, and Simon was screaming for the Hulk to get off of him. He had a panic attack. This fight really comes down to who the superior combatant is. Namor is heads, and shoulders above Simon in that regard. If Simon had Steve's combat expertise, I would be voting for him, but Simon is an actor, and Namor is a warrior born.

which version of wonderman is this? Same version that choked out red hulk? Classic? Ionic? Etc.

He's definetly has had his highs, but also has some lows (getting beat by Arachne and getting ko'ed by green goblins pumpkin bombs)

Originally posted by tkitna Namor has no chance against any incarnation of Sentry. I'm just pointing this out because you seem to feel so proud of yourself that Namor so called tooled the Sentry along with WM and Ares. I'm glad to see that even you are admitting that it was bullshit and you should probably quit bringing it up.

Originally posted by tkitna
Lol. Oh God. I'm not sure what to say here. Namor couldn't beat Sentry on his worse day. Lets stop the crazy talk here.

Originally posted by tkitna
That same crazy Hercules would have broken Namors neck. There's no shame in having your face busted by a blood thirty Hercules. Hell Thor one shot Namor in the rain. I could never see Wonder Man getting one shotted. Seems the times Namor got the advantage over Hercules, they were in the water. That seems about right.

Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
So should have Juggernaut and many others. After all, Venom can increase his strength at will

Originally posted by juggernaut74
Examples of this?

Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
Ever heard of Venom Vulking out?

Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
Maybe he was too proud to? And maybe Namor thought he could still take him?

Or maybe he's a dumbass. Lets see, I just got punched through a wall and water is the thing that gives me strength, and holy cow, water is right there within reach, but i'll go back into the fight and wont bother.

Namor was counting sheep shortly after. Great plan.

Originally posted by zopzop

We KNOW that Xemu was manipulating that weight. That's how it wrapped itself around Ben. We KNOW that Ben was tooling Simon and Xemu had to jump in and save Simon multiple times (he even says so in the scan).

So because Xemu wrapped the barbell around Ben, you assume he helped Simon lift it? Nowhere did the book say that. As a matter of fact, Xemu even mentions that Simon had fully recovered and would take care of the matter then. Your seeing it as you want to see it. Ben was tooling him because Xemu was mind controlling him. Not sure, but i'm betting Xemu isn't the best H2H fighter around.

We KNOW that Simon could barely balance Hydrobase with IW helping him. We KNOW Namor lifted Hydrobase from the bottom of the Hudson River. We KNOW Namor supported Utopia while they were putting the support pylons in place. We KNOW Namor did this without any help.

Was Namor supporting this from underwater? I cant see the scans, but i'm guessing he probably was.

Then explain how Hercules and BM tooled 'angsty' Sentry despite the fact that Sentry had backup? Like it or not, Sentry isn't at 100% levels all the time. His power fluctuates based on his mental state.

A writer wanting to get a chuckle out of his audience and have a running joke. Nobody took that encounter seriously. I'm surprised your stooping to that level. She-Hulk punched Sentry right in the mouth and he didn't fight back. I'm sure you think that Jen can beat him up too right? Doom blasted Bob while Bob was 'angsty' as you said, and what did Stark say to him? He warned Doom that if he tried something like that again, Sentry would kill him. Same would happen to Namor.

The fact that they fought multiple times over the years (some not in the water) puts to lie your statement.

Not sure what this response was to as I didn't go back and read. If it was Hercules, then no, I don't believe Namor can take him. Underwater he would win some, on land, no. That's just my opinion. I don't have all if their encounters to base it off of though.

You realize islands weigh more than 50000 tons right?

I really don't know how much an island weighs. Tell us.

Wonder Man at his best beats up Namor at his best, but on average it's a pretty close fight with Namor getting the edge, underwater at least, due to consistency if nothing else. That's up until the last decade. Things have become more convoluted since. Namor looked noticeably superior in one of their fights then Wonder Man became more confident again and was at a level where he'd wreck everyone this side of Thor/Superman not to mention the other powers he unlocked.

Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
Lowballing again. Sentry's lowest is being torn up by a dog. Namor's so weak?

Fill me in on this feat. Its passed me by it seems.

Yet Namor held his own vs Hercules several times

A bloodlusted Hercules? Do you have the scans?