KMC Contest of Champions- Marvel vs DC Discussion thread

Originally posted by Original Smurph
Paul should be on team Marvel.

Also, I'll maybe give input on the rules if I read them.

i probably will be when team marvel decides they want me for a round lol...

Originally posted by illadelph12
Well, you've got to take into consideration that each person is going to be posting arguments in the thread. Two teams of 2-4 posters battling would equal about 56-112+ posts per thread (going full bore), plus 2 OPs and the inevitable spam posts. The bigger the battle the harder it is for people to follow and the harder it is for teams to coordinate their arguments.

true, but even if you bumped it to a minimum of 3v3, i'd be much happier, but again, just imo...

Originally posted by leonidas
have we even decided how many people are on each team? 😕

dc seems to have an overflow. not sure how many marvel has. however, given the history of past tournaments and the no-shows that inevitably happen, i would suggest having a more . . . fluid roster this time. that is--i wouldn't put a limit on the number of people each team can have. the only limit would be that if you debate for one side, you must stay on that side. that way the teams can pick and choose anyone they want to rep certain characters. or if you'd rather, have a main 8 but that 8 can use subs at anytime should the need arise.

barring an open invitational format (because i know that might draw from the judging pool, but i think judging is another area we need to consider and look at), we should--both teams--have MULTIPLE subs, that way if someone on the team can't or doesn't want to debate, a sub can be used without any issues, that way there's no 1 vs 2, or 1 vs 3 or whatever format the debate takes. as well, if someone is all gung-ho and wants to debate 4 matches in a row, and the team agrees, they can do that, but with different partners.

this point really can't be streesed enough: no-shows and lengthy delays quite literally KILL tournaments. we need to take steps to [b]ENSURE LENGTHY DELAYS AND NO-SHOWS ARE NOT AN ISSUE IN THIS EVENT. all this haggling over minutiae don't mean jack if the tournament dies a no-show death as has happened so many friggin times in the past. this should be the most pressing issue at the moment. all this talk and prep and work has come to mean nothing in the past when the tourney tanks. if you don't like my suggestions, come up with another way to make SURE no-shows and delays don't happen.

if they do happen, we need to have an agreed upon penalty. no discussion, no chance at a rematch. if you're team doesn't put forth an OP on time, they forefeit the OP immediately and their characters are clustered in the center of the battlefield, no shields, no defenses at all established. the team that DID have the OP should then have a chance to revise their own opening to address the known location. or something equally disadvantaegous to the team who did not put in an OP. if SOMEONE on the team without the OP goes on to not post within the first 48hrs (??) of the match, the match officially ends.

seriously--the biggest pain in the ass is to come up with a cool OP then have the other team no-show. this issue must be dealt with above all others.

the other main issue should be judges. delph above all knows the harm that a lack of judges can cause. we need to make sure a lack of judges ALSO doesn't kill this thing. not sure how to deal with this. i think we may have to allow competitors to judge this time. sounds risky, but i don't see any other way around it. if you know another competitor will be judging your match, that should police the issue of favoritism. not sure how else to handle this. waiting 3-4 weeks for a vote from a judge can, does and HAS killed tournaments in the past. again, this is an issue that should be dealt with immediately. nothing worse than 2 teams debating like crazy and having a great match only to have no one care how the match eds because the vote didn't come in until 4 weeks later.

ensuring no-shows don't happen, and dealing with the judging issues should be the 2 things on the table at the moment. details mean nothing if we don't first and foremost make sure the tournament doesn't die half-way through. again. [/B]

looks great, but i do have one issue. i want to be able to rep different companies in the tournament. i dont want to be team dc or team marvel for the full length of the competition.

Originally posted by Raoul
looks great, but i do have one issue. i want to be able to rep different companies in the tournament. i dont want to be team dc or team marvel for the full length of the competition.

i considered that, but didn't think anyone would really go for it. i personally wouldn't have a problem with it.

say rd one was like this:

phil/paul repping superman/flash
vs
enyalus/gundam repping genis/quasar

there's no real reason rd 2 couldn't look like this:

naija/paul repping surfer/thor
vs
enyalus/leo repping majestros/hal

depends on how everyone wants to view this tournament. if we each chose characters from each universe (1 from each tier from each universe) then we could simply match up characters. it doesn't matter to me. but these are the macro-issues we need to deal with before we bother discussing the rule details. this might help address the roster size issue. we could really have as many people involved then as we want--anyone could pick a character and just compete when that character is scheduled. it would also mean that competitors COULD judge fairly, since they aren't on one "team" just repping specific characters that they couldn't be judging anyway. the more i think about it, i kinda like that idea, paul. seems to solve multiple problems to me . . .

one thing i wasn't crazy about though--putting characters of differing tiers in the same match. ie--2 heralds+2 high metas. too hard to justify the metas not being slaughtered by the heralds, imo. but, like i said--i'm fine with ANY format. so long as the format is decided upon before the rules are firmly set.

and those other issues (no-shows, penalties, size of rosters, judges) need to be worked out still.

Paul's gonna rep Thor?

Originally posted by Raoul
looks great, but i do have one issue. i want to be able to rep different companies in the tournament. i dont want to be team dc or team marvel for the full length of the competition.

That's not really a good idea if, for example, you get wind of future plans of either side and use it against them switching back and forth.

Pick a side, Pig.

Originally posted by Raoul
i dont want to be team dc or team marvel for the full length of the competition.

Isn't that the point though?

Originally posted by leonidas
i considered that, but didn't think anyone would really go for it. i personally wouldn't have a problem with it.

say rd one was like this:

there's no real reason rd 2 couldn't look like this:

depends on how everyone wants to view this tournament. if we each chose characters from each universe (1 from each tier from each universe) then we could simply match up characters. it doesn't matter to me. but these are the macro-issues we need to deal with before we bother discussing the rule details. this might help address the roster size issue. we could really have as many people involved then as we want--anyone could pick a character and just compete when that character is scheduled. it would also mean that competitors COULD judge fairly, since they aren't on one "team" just repping specific characters that they couldn't be judging anyway. the more i think about it, i kinda like that idea, paul. seems to solve multiple problems to me . . .

one thing i wasn't crazy about though--putting characters of differing tiers in the same match. ie--2 heralds+2 high metas. too hard to justify the metas not being slaughtered by the heralds, imo. but, like i said--i'm fine with ANY format. so long as the format is decided upon before the rules are firmly set.

and those other issues (no-shows, penalties, size of rosters, judges) need to be worked out still.

yeah, i agree with that. heralds should face heralds, etc.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Paul's gonna rep Thor?

i might not have read all his solo stuff, but i've ready every issue of avengers. i could give a decent go of it, i think.

Originally posted by illadelph12
That's not really a good idea if, for example, you get wind of future plans of either side and use it against them switching back and forth.

Pick a side, Pig.

aww hell.

i'll need time to think about it, then.

see my edits. ^^^

and it depends scoob--the point is whatever we decide the point SHOULD be.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Paul's gonna rep Thor?

it was just an example . . .

Originally posted by leonidas
see my edits. ^^^

and it depends scoob--the point is whatever we decide the point SHOULD be.

glad you agree lol... and yeah, i do think it increases the fairness of the judging if you aren't totally loyal to one group of people/characters...

Originally posted by Scoobless
Isn't that the point though?

no. uhuh

Pick a side Pig...

I actually thought the point of this tourney was so that we could all (at least once) get to rep our favourite characters, regardless of company, in a tourney setting... shrug

Nope.

The point of this "tourney" was for a KMC DC Team to take on a KMC Marvel Team, with forum members repping characters from one of the two companies. If you flip flop match to match you'd might as well just do regular Battlezone matches because you won't be a member of a specific team or the other, just arguing random characters on either side of the fence.

Pick a side Pig.

Originally posted by illadelph12
Nope.

The point of this "tourney" was for a KMC DC Team to take on a KMC Marvel Team, with forum members repping characters from one of the two companies. If you flip flop match to match you'd might as well just do regular Battlezone matches because you won't be a member of a specific team or the other, just arguing random characters on either side of the fence.

Pick a side Pig.

this is what happens when we let criminals have power. uhuh

i'll need time...

I'm with Delph on this. Pick a damn side. As for heralds/metas in the same match, I'm for it. It's another body and the heralds should be fighting each other most of the match so they'll be busy with each other.

Originally posted by Raoul
this is what happens when we let criminals have power. uhuh

i'll need time...

Originally posted by Raoul
"I, Paul the Pig, bastard son of Jor-El, kneel before Delph-Zod, the once and true Mod of this Forum".

Play you're position, Pigga. 😎

Originally posted by illadelph12
Nope.

The point of this "tourney" was for a KMC DC Team to take on a KMC Marvel Team, with forum members repping characters from one of the two companies. If you flip flop match to match you'd might as well just do regular Battlezone matches because you won't be a member of a specific team or the other, just arguing random characters on either side of the fence.

Pick a side Pig.

hmm, maybe. but it does leave a lot of problems to be dealt with. i sort of thought this WAS a BZ type battle. at the heart was marvel vs dc, the companies. is it really vital we have specific teams? that just leads to . . . so many more possible problems. 🙁

i reiterate--i'm fine with whatever is decided. but we've ALREADY lost bats, and this hasn't even started yet!

At street level, there aren't many tactics we could use against the opponents, so unless there are 1 on 1 matches or at best 2 vs 2 I don't think it will turn out that well.

And there's no doubt that the characters we'll use should be at best from a tier apart. Any wider gap in power, and some of the characters would be redundant. (Superman/Iron Man vs Thor/Hawkman for example)

..

And I've got an ideea that is a bit amibitious but at the same time interesting. How about we each pool one herald/meta/street (we could discuss which category will or will not be in this tourney) character that we would like to represent but as a twist, who we actually represent and go up against are chosen randomly ?

Say I go with Magneto, Raoul goes with Superman, Goober goes with Surfer and Kris goes with Thor but it will end up being Me (Thor)/Kris(Superman) vs Goober (Magneto)/Raoul(Surfer).

Much more interesting, and each participant will get something out of the tournament. Just an ideea though.

Originally posted by Philosophía
We need TRICK!

Martian hasn't been heard of, Batdude is banned, not sure what Scoob said about all of it, so what's left as confirmed rooster is me, Leo and Raoul.

We'll most definitley kick ass.

Me as captain? jawdrop Not unless fatnude wants me to. I'll do it if absolutely necessary.

Philo, GET ON MSN! 😠 And that goes for everyone else not on MSN. I need to talk with the various DC team guys so we can coordinate and see what we have.

Originally posted by Raoul
this is what happens when we let criminals have power. uhuh

i'll need time...

I better see you on tha Marvel side.

Originally posted by Philosophía
At street level, there aren't many tactics we could use against the opponents, so unless there are 1 on 1 matches or at best 2 vs 2 I don't think it will turn out that well.

And there's no doubt that the characters we'll use should be at best from a tier apart. Any wider gap in power, and some of the characters would be redundant. (Superman/Iron Man vs Thor/Hawkman for example)

..

And I've got an ideea that is a bit amibitious but at the same time interesting. How about we each pool one herald/meta/street (we could discuss which category will or will not be in this tourney) character that we would like to represent but as a twist, who we actually represent and go up against are chosen randomly ?

Say I go with Magneto, Raoul goes with Superman, Goober goes with Surfer and Kris goes with Thor but it will end up being Me (Thor)/Kris(Superman) vs Goober (Magneto)/Raoul(Surfer).

Much more interesting, and each participant will get something out of the tournament. Just an ideea though.

i actually like the random idea.