You missed the part where he lost his voice, again, in the pre-movie comic. This would have been a good point, though.?????
WTF! you don't make changes in a movie assuming people have seen some crappy pre-movie comic! that is just stupid. They could of had bumblee bee in china with the rest of the autobots and then loose his voice again.
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Then why would hae have not tried to lure the deceps way fromthe city...? Doh! 😛Why allow the idea of letting Sam hide the cube there, knowing that the deceps would go there and a battle would almost certainly ensue...?
PIS.
Thats why.
PIS? what is that?
That's what i thought when i saw the first movie. Why would they go to a populated area to hide the cube and what the hell good would it do to put it into a chopper? When starscream could just shoot it down anyway.
But i was able to forgive those errors cause it was the first film, and also the way it flowed it didn't really give you time to think about it. but the 2nd movie didn't accomplish that.
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Arent you just hating on the guys point for sake's sake though, DDM?
No, it's the exact opposite. You guys are the ones hating for the sake of hating.
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Millions of viewers CAN be wrong.
How many saw Phantom Menace and raved about it, even if initially (and the Matrix sequels were great, in your eyes..?)
Most people just will pay for to see the next big shiny dumb thing.
Loooook....Biiiiiiiiiig. Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinnnnnnnnny.
I thought The Matrix sequels AND Phantom Menace were all excellent movies.
The Phantom Menace was, is, and will continue to be better than any original in almost all categories.
And, no, millions of viewers can't be wrong when the point of the film is to entertain as many people as possible and make as much money as possible. That's the point of every film released in theaters.
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
I and many others I know who have seen the flick feel the same way..
You're greatly outnumbered and you only have out of touch critics on your side.
And you like the film. You gave it a 6. That's better than average, bro.
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
There is the likelihood that your own lack of allowance for subjectivity on the matter is causing this Nazi-istic reaction to opinions that are actually valid, yet differing to your own.
Wrong.
Some people have factually incorrect opinions or simply are ignorant of why things were the way they were. I've been explaining those things to people.
And the whole thing about Optimus getting a power boost is far from PIS. Anyone who actually paid attention saw Optimus being a panty-waist because of all the damn humans the the small environment.
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Rime died and cameback and Jetfire died. The Arcee twins were shown getting their asses killed (permanentlyor otherwise, I cannot remember). Therefore its not the strange thing to remark on that you would think.
The Twins didn't die. Optimus was revived, and Jetfire was a decepticon with a change of heart. 🙂
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
And if my interest in the movie was an Autobot too, IT would have been killed numerous times over on the rewatchings.
I don't understand this point at all. You'll have to expand.
Originally posted by darthmaul1
WTF! you don't make changes in a movie assuming people have seen some crappy pre-movie comic!
"You" most certainly do. That shit was done for the first film, but you didn't complain because you were ignorant. That was also done for Star Trek. Where's you complaints?
And you'd think that you would have deduced that something happened in those two years when someone asked Bumblebee "oh, your voice is still broken?"
Originally posted by darthmaul1
that is just stupid.
Yes, quite stupid to try to appeal to as many people as possible and hype up their film with prerelease merchandise. There's another idiot out there who did the same and practically pioneered that "stupid" idea. He is a little known guy named George Lucas.
Originally posted by darthmaul1
They could of had bumblee bee in china with the rest of the autobots and then loose his voice again.
Or they could have had a small dialogue portion that paid homage to the story in the comics, like they did, for better story continuity. 😐
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Then why would hae have not tried to lure the deceps way fromthe city...? Doh! 😛Why allow the idea of letting Sam hide the cube there, knowing that the deceps would go there and a battle would almost certainly ensue...?
PIS.
Thats why.
Much more intelligent to do that.
Hide the cube. Too hard to find.
Harder to detect if under enough concrete.
Unlikely that the Auto-bots would hide it among humans, again.
It was the closest city.
ETC.
Originally posted by dadudemon
"You" most certainly do. That shit was done for the first film, but you didn't complain because you were ignorant. That was also done for Star Trek. Where's you complaints?
Umm the crappy cartoon thing done for the first film, was not needed to understand what was going on in the movie
and what Star Trek thing are you talking about? please explain
Thanks
Originally posted by dadudemon
"You" most certainly do. That shit was done for the first film, but you didn't complain because you were ignorant. That was also done for Star Trek. Where's you complaints?And you'd think that you would have deduced that something happened in those two years when someone asked Bumblebee "oh, your voice is still broken?"
Yes, quite stupid to try to appeal to as many people as possible and hype up their film with prerelease merchandise. There's another idiot out there who did the same and practically pioneered that "stupid" idea. He is a little known guy named George Lucas.
Or they could have had a small dialogue portion that paid homage to the story in the comics, like they did, for better story continuity. 😐
Much more intelligent to do that.
Hide the cube. Too hard to find.
Harder to detect if under enough concrete.
Unlikely that the Auto-bots would hide it among humans, again.
It was the closest city.
ETC.
I hate that GIF!!!!! AHHHHH!!!
Originally posted by darthmaul1
Umm the crappy cartoon thing done for the first film, was not needed to understand what was going on in the movie
Nor was the second one. Both were suplemental. And I already referenced the portion in the film that talks about him losing his voice again.
Originally posted by darthmaul1
and what Star Trek thing are you talking about? please explain
Thanks
No. Look it up. 😐
Originally posted by dadudemon
Nor was the second one. Both were suplemental. And I already referenced the portion in the film that talks about him losing his voice again.No. Look it up. 😐
Yes, quite stupid to try to appeal to as many people as possible and hype up their film with prerelease merchandise. There's another idiot out there who did the same and practically pioneered that "stupid" idea. He is a little known guy named George Lucas.
What, some stupid sentence by Sam that he mumbled and didn't explain anything, that is bull crap!
As for the star trek thing, if there was a prequal book or cartoon or something else i can't find it and it doesn't matter any way cause that movie was put together so you didn't need to see the film
And as for your prerelease merchandise??? Lucas never made any prerelease merchandise that you HAD to buy to understand what was going on in any of his movies!!!!!
Originally posted by dadudemon
No, it's the exact opposite. You guys are the ones hating for the sake of hating.I thought The Matrix sequels AND Phantom Menace were all excellent movies.
The Phantom Menace was, is, and will continue to be better than any original in almost all categories.
And, no, millions of viewers can't be wrong when the point of the film is to entertain as many people as possible and make as much money as possible. That's the point of every film released in theaters.
You're greatly outnumbered and you only have out of touch critics on your side.
And you like the film. You gave it a 6. That's better than average, bro.
Wrong.
Some people have factually incorrect opinions or simply are ignorant of why things were the way they were. I've been explaining those things to people.
And the whole thing about Optimus getting a power boost is far from PIS. Anyone who actually paid attention saw Optimus being a panty-waist because of all the damn humans the the small environment.
The Twins didn't die. Optimus was revived, and Jetfire was a decepticon with a change of heart. 🙂
I don't understand this point at all. You'll have to expand.
No I would have loved for the movie to be up to par with the hype it gets from some....but its not. Theres no hate for the sake of hating here, just reacting to a movie that largely, was pants.
No Jetfire definitely had definitely defected.
Ok now I have a gauge of your movie standards/tastes with the TPM and Matrix sequels comment.
No further discussion neccesary I guess since anything'll clearly do for you, then..... they were big, dumb and shiny movies also. Im envious though.
I lack the ability to switch off and enjoy shallow crap with huge awkward, slow moving, momentum-killing pacing liberally scattered throughout on repeat sittings. People just like big dumb explodey hollywood pictures. Always have. But these movies rarely stand up the rewatch scrutiny that ESB and other true classics do.
But hate for hate's sake...? No. Just nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Then why would hae have not tried to lure the deceps way fromthe city...? Doh! 😛Why allow the idea of letting Sam hide the cube there, knowing that the deceps would go there and a battle would almost certainly ensue...?
PIS.
Thats why.
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Megatron was throwing Prime on to them at one point. Prime couldnt do anything about it... There we no points in there where Prime was NOT shown to not take a shot at and enemy because of the humans.Megatron was bigger, more powerful, more dense and had better weapons. End of, really. 🙂
You're right about Megatron though. Optimus Prime seemed quicker and more agile, and had the moves/touch though. It looked like his swords were more effective against other Transformers, versus Megatron's flail, but his gun isn't so great.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Millions of movie watchers can't be wrong.Don't quit your day job to do comedy as "humor" sees to escape your understanding.
You really mean to say that the main-stream humor in the film wasn't your cup of tea. That's fine. My sense of humor is not very mainstream either.
😆 Humor escapes my understanding because I didn't laugh at the festering shit in Transformers 2? I think about all I can do is laugh at that.
Your "millions can't be wrong" argument is one of the worst you could've chosen. Millions of people are wrong all the fvcking time.
Originally posted by dadudemon
In your opinion, what movie did have a good plot in it?
You just want me to name films with good plots? Uh, okay: Eternal Sunshine, Memento, The Godfather, Seven, need I continue?
Originally posted by dadudemon
I'll sum it up for you:Sam wants to go to college to have a normal life while staying together with Micaela. This changes when the Decepticons revive Megatron and we REALLY see who is behind the Decipticons a la The Fallen. The Fallen wants to harvest Sol for energon. All of the Transformers are running out of energon, anyway.
Sam inadvertently acts as the vessel for the entirety of the Allspark...which is in the language of the Primes. The Decepticons find out about Sam having the memories and go after Sam. Optimus Prime dies trying to defend Sam from the Decepticons. They try to locate the nearest Prime or transformer that has the capability to read the Prime's language. They find Jetifre. He gets them to the location of The Matrix, which Sam will use to Revive Optimus to help them figure out what to do, as Optimus is a Prime. Also, everyone wants their dead comrade back.
The movie ends with Sam finding The Matrix and Optimus Prime destroying the Fallen and his plans to destroy the Sun for energon.
You summarizing the plot just makes me realize even further: A) how bad the plot was and B) how much they failed to convey the plot in the film.
Originally posted by dadudemon
The film had a very coherent story. Why did I understand it, my wife understand it, and my 5 year-old son understand it just fine?Yes, my son saw the movie today and he talked about it a bunch to me. I, of course, had to explain what energon was to him, but he understood that that The Fallen was a bad guy who wanted to destroy Earth and all of the other main plot points. He was rather excited about the film.
Glad to hear that your whole family enjoyed this terrible movie. Doesn't change the fact that the plot wasn't conveyed well in the movie. I, too, could comprehend most of it; still sucked.
Originally posted by dadudemon
I'm betting that Mission Impossible must have been horrible for you, because the plot is much more complicated than the Transformers 2 plot.
You don't get it. It's not how complicated the plot is, it's the fact that Transformers 2 took what should've been a simple plot and made it messy, clunky and at times, incomprehensible.
I think we'd both agree that The Dark Knight's plot was 10 times more complicated than Transformers 2, yet I understood every minute of that film, because it was done well.
Originally posted by dadudemon
You complain about Transformers being stupid and having a faulty story, but you liked Star Trek? Me thinks you're hating just to hate as Star Trek had so many horrible Plot Holes that it was ridiculous. Humor was similar to Transformer's humor, as well.It actually blows me away that you liked Star Trek and not Transformers 2.
At least I'm honest and say that I liked Star Trek, despite how retarded the entire plot was.
Star Trek is leagues ahead of Transformers in every conceivable way. It's plot wasn't amazing, but let me tell you the key difference: J.J. Abrahams aka a talented director. Also a much better script (even though it was written by two of the same screenwriters as Transformers 2), actual fleshed-out characters that I cared about, much better action/action that actually had tension and suspense, better score, etc. And I would VERY much disagree with your assessment that the humor is similar. There wasn't any robot testicle, humping, pot-brownie, man-thong, ghetto/racial stereotype humor in Star Trek, so... yeah, you're simply wrong there pal.
I'm not hating Transformers "just to hate it," I don't think I ever do that, just so you know. I just thought that it was a legitimately bad film with few redeeming qualities.
Judging by the fact that you're "blown away" that I liked Star Trek more than Transformers, I can see that it might be pointless debating with you, but nonetheless I took the time to type out some thoughts. Respond if you wish, but I don't think you'll understand my point of view.
Originally posted by darthmaul1
What, some stupid sentence by Sam that he mumbled and didn't explain anything, that is bull crap!
No. I understood it just fine...obviously, you didn't. If that little portion of the film affected you that much, you should probably stop watching movies.
Originally posted by darthmaul1
As for the star trek thing, if there was a prequal book or cartoon or something else i can't find it and it doesn't matter any way cause that movie was put together so you didn't need to see the film
The same with Transformers....except, the story was actually put together even better than Star Trek. 😐
Originally posted by darthmaul1
And as for your prerelease merchandise??? Lucas never made any prerelease merchandise that you HAD to buy to understand what was going on in any of his movies!!!!!
How many times do I have to tell you that you didn't pay attention in the film? You just said above that you missed it and it was mumbled....now you're saying that you had to buy the comic to know. You should just....not watch Transformers. It would relieve some stress off of you.
Originally posted by SnakeEyes
😆 Humor escapes my understanding because I didn't laugh at the festering shit in Transformers 2? I think about all I can do is laugh at that.
See, this is why you suck at humor. It's not for everyone. You are out of touch with what mainstream humor is...or you simply don't know what is commonly considered funny.
As I've already admitted, I don't have a mainstream sense of humor, as well. Everyone in the theater was laughing their butts off, both times, when that idiot fell down on the taser, with his pants down. They laughed and laughed and laughed. But I just smiled. Even my wife laughed really hard.
That doesn't mean I don't recognize what mainstream humor is.
Originally posted by SnakeEyes
Your "millions can't be wrong" argument is one of the worst you could've chosen. Millions of people are wrong all the fvcking time.
Unfortunately for you, it is the exact reason I am correct. Millions of people are not wrong when they crap out the money for the film and get laughter out of the film. There's a difference between your blanket statement, and my statement, especially when you consider the context it was in.
What you're doing above is called a "strawman" argument.
Originally posted by SnakeEyes
You just want me to name films with good plots? Uh, okay: Eternal Sunshine, Memento, The Godfather, Seven, need I continue?
No, that's perfect. Thank you.
And here's my summary of The Godfather.
"Oh know! It's super quiet and hardly any dialogue. OH KNOW! His son is coming home and he talks so little and quietly that he probably has autism! ZOMG! Typical hot-head older brother in da house! Oh man, more quietness, and the dad mumbles worse than Ozzy...but it makes him COOL! Oh look! Drugs and gangsters! Who would have thunk it! Wow, killing of the prized horse and the head, in da bed! Oh boy, look at this, a double crossing gangster screwing the Corleone family OVER. Who would have thought that! It wasn't obvious at all. Oh man, Fredo betrays, oh man, Sonny dies because....you guessed it, he's a hot head! Look at this! The war hero son takes care of the family business and kills some PEEPS! NOT A GANGSTER!
Look! More silence and quiet.
Wait! Don't forget to throw in an attack on Daddy before he days. Classic drive by shooting, gangster style.
LOOK AT THIS! The autistic son has the revival gangsters killed!
Oh man, the son is now the DON! Who would have thought THAT would happen after he had everyone KILLED!
ZOMG! Don't forget about revenge on Carlo because you know how touch gangsters have to be!
MOAR SILENCE!
The doors shut.
The end!
Do you see what I did there?
Do you seeeee it? Hmmmm?
I'm sure cracked has done a better version at some point.
Now, I liked The Godfather. It was a good film. But I'm showing you that your characterization can be applied quit well to any film you can think of, no matter how good it is.
Originally posted by SnakeEyes
You summarizing the plot just makes me realize even further: A) how bad the plot was and B) how much they failed to convey the plot in the film.
That TOTALLY makes it worse, man. TOTALLY. dur
And, no, my son got it, I got it, most everyone in this thread got it, millions of people got it. You're almost alone in the dark here, buddy. 😐
Originally posted by SnakeEyes
Glad to hear that your whole family enjoyed this terrible movie. Doesn't change the fact that the plot wasn't conveyed well in the movie. I, too, could comprehend most of it; still sucked.
Okay. That's fine. You can claim that it sucked. But you can't claim to not comprehend it and then say you comprehend it, and then say it sucked.
You understood it, no problem. You just didn't like it. That's it.
Originally posted by SnakeEyes
You don't get it.
Yes I do. naughty
Originally posted by SnakeEyes
It's not how complicated the plot is, it's the fact that Transformers 2 took what should've been a simple plot and made it messy, clunky and at times, incomprehensible.
But, you see, it was none of the above. It was rather straight forward, flowed well, and had excellent cartoon/comic tie-ins.
Originally posted by SnakeEyes
I think we'd both agree that The Dark Knight's plot was 10 times more complicated than Transformers 2, yet I understood every minute of that film, because it was done well.
No, it was not very complicated at all...it was the characters and the character development that was complicated. That's the difference, and that's what you're looking for.
And, I agree that Dark Knight was a better film. I rated it a 9 out of 10. I wanted more of the grizzly joker...though. I wanted to see more torture and violence...but they had to try for the PG-13...so it came off a bit too...unrealistically "soft".
Other than the Joker being watered down...Batman's voice being a tad stupid...I would say that it was a wonderful film. Almost perfect. That's why it got a 9. I own both Batman Nolan films on Blu-Ray. 🙂
Originally posted by SnakeEyes
Star Trek is leagues ahead of Transformers in every conceivable way.
Except the following:
1. Ticket Sales. It has grossed almost twice what Star Trek did.
2. Special Effects. Big time.
3. Length of film.
4. Less major plot holes, by far. Fer realz.
5. Return on investment.
6. Action.
7. Explosions.
8. Action figures and other items that are being sold due to the film.
9. Story. Yes. Story. 😐
10. Believability of the main villain's motives.
Originally posted by SnakeEyes
It's plot wasn't amazing, but let me tell you the key difference: J.J. Abrahams aka a talented director.
So is Michael Bay, by all accounts. 😐
Before we continue, I need to say that I really enjoyed Star Trek... A LOT. If it weren't for the absurd plot holes, it would have been better than Transformers.
Originally posted by SnakeEyes
Also a much better script (even though it was written by two of the same screenwriters as Transformers 2),
😕
Originally posted by SnakeEyes
actual fleshed-out characters that I cared about,
Yeah...the character development was superficial...just the same as Transformers 2.
Originally posted by SnakeEyes
much better action/action that actually had tension and suspense,
I disagree. The exact opposite, really.
Originally posted by SnakeEyes
better score, etc.
Maybe....but probably not. Again, this is opinion. I remember thinking to myself, the first watch of Transformers 2, that I wanted to get the sound track. I didn't think that about Star Trek, at all.
Originally posted by SnakeEyes
And I would VERY much disagree with your assessment that the humor is similar.
Nah, it's pretty much the same superficial B.S. "witty" humor that Hollywood likes to put out. Captain Kirk is what Sam Witwicky wants to be with the ladies...
Originally posted by SnakeEyes
There wasn't any robot testicle, humping, pot-brownie, man-thong, ghetto/racial stereotype humor in Star Trek, so... yeah, you're simply wrong there pal.
I'm not you pal, buddy. 😄
See my above point, buddy.
Originally posted by SnakeEyes
I'm not hating Transformers "just to hate it," I don't think I ever do that, just so you know. I just thought that it was a legitimately bad film with few redeeming qualities.
Cool. Then I'm fine with this. It's your opinion. That's cool. But when someone says that they didn't like transformers because Optimus Prime got a power amp, or "Why didn't the other Primes take down The Fallen when this all started happening", then they are idiots who didn't pay attention to the films.
Originally posted by SnakeEyes
IJudging by the fact that you're "blown away" that I liked Star Trek more than Transformers, I can see that it might be pointless debating with you, but nonetheless I took the time to type out some thoughts. Respond if you wish, but I don't think you'll understand my point of view.
I am glad you did. You are much easier to talk to and...to put it plainly NOT an idiot. 🙂
HOLY CRAP! That's a lot of typing! NO MOAR!
Originally posted by dadudemon
Thanks man.You're usually on the same page I am with every movie...it's almost uncanny.
That's because you and Bruce Skywalker the same person! Admit it. You're using two profiles, maybe three, maybe more... who knows! You sir are a liar and a thief. FINK! FINK!! I SMELL A FINK!!!! Hey everyone! He's a Phony! A Phony! LOOK EVERYONE A PHONY!
Originally posted by dadudemon
No. I understood it just fine...obviously, you didn't. If that little portion of the film affected you that much, you should probably stop watching movies.The same with Transformers....except, the story was actually put together even better than Star Trek. 😐
How many times do I have to tell you that you didn't pay attention in the film? You just said above that you missed it and it was mumbled....now you're saying that you had to buy the comic to know. You should just....not watch Transformers. It would relieve some stress off of you.
OMG! you must be eating the same brownie that Sams mother was eating! 😂 You actually think Transformers was put together better than Star Trek? You couldn't be more wrong there.
If i did say i missed it the only reason was because it was mumbled and YOU are the one that said you had the buy the comic to know that bumblebee had lost his voice before the movie!
I was stating that Lucas never did anything like that, with his premerchandising.
Also please do name the problems and plot holes you had with Star Trek. Maybe SnakeEyes and I can help you there 🧑⚕️
I have a wide range of humor, from Cable Guy (Jim Carrey's funniest film) to Montey Python and the Holy Grail and I will admit some of the humor in transformers was FUNNY, but after a while it got to be a bit much and just stupid, with the humping transformer, simmons ass and the transformer with balls.
FYI i just watched that scene online with bumblebee's voice problem and all i got out of that was Mikala saying he's still having voice problems and that is all.