zoom vs silver surfer

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/7814/flashv2200page09bc6.jpg

"He can control how fast or slow he moves ahead in time"

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=5396951

From there he can mount any assaullt..

What power doesn't SS have?

Originally posted by leonidas
"COULD have been derailed."

regardless of the explanation it has been shown on panel that if one goes fast enough, one can not only see him, but match him and battle him on equal footing. with ss's ability to perceive time, he could say if jay was right or not, but it doesn't change the fact that with enough speed, zoom's speed can be equalled.

Originally posted by Ambient
Really makes no diff. as surfer can see through time by going through a dimension where all time intersects..

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=5396951

From there he can mount any assaullt..

THAT'S THE ONE!! 😄

i knew there was a scan that showed him able to perceive future and alternate timelines. gracias. ss wins everytime. 🙂

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
You're not listening.

Zoom exists AHEAD of our time. Evidently Sentry's different timeframe doesn't make a difference, and he cannot CONTROL SAID TIMEFRAME.

Zoom can.

You still haven't answered the question, when has Zoom...

A. Reacted to something moving at 1,000 times lightspeed.

B. Manipulated time to such a degree that he was moving at 1,000 times light speed?

Because at this point you seem to be endorsing a no limits fallacy in regards to Zoom's ability to "move as fast as he wants".

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Do you not understand that he is ALWAYS AHEAD.

no.

he.

is.

not.

he wasn't "ahead" of flash when flash recited the formula. what don't YOU understand about that?

Originally posted by darthgoober
Because at this point you seem to be endorsing a no limits fallacy in regards to Zoom's ability to "move as fast as he wants".

no kidding. and i thought it was just me for a minute . . .

correct me if im wrong but couldnt the surfer just change the air or ground into something that zoom cant move through.

Originally posted by leonidas
THAT'S THE ONE!! 😄

i knew there was a scan that showed him able to perceive future and alternate timelines. gracias. ss wins everytime. 🙂

Originally posted by xJLxKing
How does SS win when Zoom is the one controlling his timeline??

Originally posted by leonidas
THAT'S THE ONE!! 😄

i knew there was a scan that showed him able to perceive future and alternate timelines. gracias. ss wins everytime. 🙂

Originally posted by leonidas
inaccurate. zoom could NOT exceed flash's speed once flash recited the formula.

inaccurate. amped enough flash was EVEN with him and fought him h2h. what's more--flash has gone FASTER. he didn't even enter the SF while fighting zoom.

lightspeed.

He didn't because Wally reached a point where he stopped in time, like Zoom is capable of.

Accurate. When he was amped by Jay and Bart, and was capable of going lightspeed instantly, he stated Zoom is still just a blur.

No. What was stated was that he was capable of moving to lightspeed instantly, nothing about lightspeed being his limit. Even while normal, Wally has proven to be far above lightspeed.

Originally posted by leonidas
"COULD have been derailed."
it has been shown on panel that if one goes fast enough, one can not only see him, but match him and battle him on equal footing.

👆 this. if a person can move/react/think fast enough he will be able to battle zoom (or in this case at least defend against zoom). SS is mentally fast enough to at least erect a forcefield before being koed by zoom. From then on its just a question of taking out the battlefield.(I assume CIS is off for the second part)

Originally posted by Ambient
im way behind my comics, when was he able to control someones timeline? But even if he was, how is going to do just that if the opponent can remove himself from such timeline..

Originally posted by xJLxKing
What I mean is, Zoom is the one who controls his own time. SS can't do that.

Originally posted by Ambient
I dont see why not, Surfer can move backward/forward heck he can move it sideways.. Can Zoom do it sideways? lol

Originally posted by xJLxKing
...Homo!!\ 😛

Originally posted by Ambient
That just show U how Surfer is so VERSATILE.... Zoom got nothin..

Cause he has limited perception...

I should go now... lol

Originally posted by Naija boy
👆 this. if a person can move/react/think fast enough he will be able to battle zoom (or in this case at least defend against zoom). SS is mentally fast enough to at least erect a forcefield before being koed by zoom. From then on its just a question of taking out the battlefield.(I assume CIS is off for the second part)

you assume correctly my good friend. no CIS in the second fight.

Originally posted by Philosophía
He didn't because Wally reached a point where he stopped in time, like Zoom is capable of.

geez . . . you're confused. he was going SO FAST THAT TIME SEEMED TO SLOW. amping his speed did NOT give flash "control over time". he didn't "stop time". he existed 'between seconds'. if you go fast enough, time around you begins to slow. which is why zoom says he is immortal.

Accurate. When he was amped by Jay and Bart, and was capable of going lightspeed instantly, he stated Zoom is still just a blur.

and when amped by jesse, he equalled zoom.

No. What was stated was that he was capable of moving to lightspeed instantly, nothing about lightspeed being his limit. Even while normal, Wally has proven to be far above lightspeed. [/B]

likewise, he never says they move BEYOND c, but even if they are, ss effortlessly travels 100s of x, 1000s and millions of times, faster than c.

so, what's you're point?