zoom vs silver surfer

Started by Mindship11 pages

I saw in one of Goob's scans the Surfer mentioning the implicate order. In the implicate order, everything is connected with everything else; it's all quantum potential. If the Surfer can see via the implicate order, then he has access -- instant access -- to not only whatever is going on in time and space, but also whatever could be going on. The Surfer "sees" not only what is, but also what could be.

Zoom apparently operates in the explicate order (the manifest world), regardless of whose time he's in, what he's doing with time, etc, because time is an explicate phenomenon. The Surfer, on the other hand, has access to what gives rise to time, to all possibilities before they collapse into a single explicate event.

Theoretically, it should be impossible to surprise-attack Norrin nor out-fight him tactically, but of course, in comics he's caught off-guard quite a bit...otherwise there'd be no story (generally also why a Flash comic is not 1 page long, given what he can do with speed). But iirc, in forum fights, we're not hampered by storytelling constraints.

The Surfer would definitely need to call upon the more exotic of his cosmic capabilities to win the majority.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Hahahahahha.

Surfer couldn't even touch him.


Don't be dumb. Bloodlusted, Surfer doesn't need to touch him. He blows up the planet, or opens a black hole, or devolves the entire planet, etc.

CIS on, yes, Surfer loses the majority.

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Leonidas, your logic in this thread is pretty bad. Phil's explained it already. During their battle when Wally had Jay, Bart's and Jesse's speed to amp himself, he still still only see Zoom as a blur. It said he was able to accelerate to light speed instantly, not that it was his top speed. He was so fast that they were locked inbetween the tick of the seconds. In fact, during that battle...where multiple punches and kicks were thrown, they had circled the globe a dozen times in less than a second. That's, what, 1.7x light speed....combat speed. Surfer's got, what, one nanosecond reaction speed feat ever?

Combat speed wise Zoom is far above Surfer. And the other fight you refer to where Zoom gets tagged by Bart was when Bart was not just mainlining the Speed Force, but he contained all of the SpeedForce within him. He was amped by the entire Speed Force, and if you've seen the battle, Zoom was still faster than him. The only thing that allowed Bart to win was him vibrating up through the ground to stick a tranquilizer into Zoom.

surfer has centuries of flying through space near, at, and over lightspeed = reaction feats.

Bart seemed pretty equal to Zoom

Originally posted by Enyalus
Don't be dumb. Bloodlusted, Surfer doesn't need to touch him. He blows up the planet, or opens a black hole, or devolves the entire planet, etc.

CIS on, yes, Surfer loses the majority.

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Leonidas, your logic in this thread is pretty bad. Phil's explained it already. During their battle when Wally had Jay, Bart's and Jesse's speed to amp himself, he still still only see Zoom as a blur. It said he was able to accelerate to light speed instantly, not that it was his top speed. He was so fast that they were locked inbetween the tick of the seconds. In fact, during that battle...where multiple punches and kicks were thrown, they had circled the globe a dozen times in less than a second. That's, what, 1.7x light speed....combat speed. Surfer's got, what, one nanosecond reaction speed feat ever?

Combat speed wise Zoom is far above Surfer. And the other fight you refer to where Zoom gets tagged by Bart was when Bart was not just mainlining the Speed Force, but he contained all of the SpeedForce within him. He was amped by the entire Speed Force, and if you've seen the battle, Zoom was still faster than him. The only thing that allowed Bart to win was him vibrating up through the ground to stick a tranquilizer into Zoom.


Surfer doesn't lack for speed feats, he lacks for quantified speed feats of an unambiguous nature. But that holds true for damn near everyone. You see Surfer use his speed in combat to dodge blast and such in 90% of his appearances, it's just that it's impossible to say for sure how fast he's going or how much of it is him avoiding the aim of his opponents.

Originally posted by Mindset
Bart seemed pretty equal to Zoom

Pretty equal, with the edge going to Zoom, IMO. I mean, Zoom casually hitting him in the back of the neck. Zoom dodging Bart and making him basically impale himself on Zoom's hand through his chest.

shrug

Originally posted by Enyalus
Pretty equal, with the edge going to Zoom, IMO. I mean, Zoom casually hitting him in the back of the neck. Zoom dodging Bart and making him basically impale himself on Zoom's hand through his chest.

shrug

Yea, and after Bart recovered from Zoom's cheapshot and the initially shock, him and Zoom were pretty equal.

Originally posted by Mindset
Yea, and after Bart recovered from Zoom's cheapshot and the initially shock, him and Zoom were pretty equal.

Whateva, Bartophile.

I just tell it like it is.

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l54/Markymark_016/21.jpg

Originally posted by Enyalus
Don't be dumb. Bloodlusted, Surfer doesn't need to touch him. He blows up the planet, or opens a black hole, or devolves the entire planet, etc.

CIS on, yes, Surfer loses the majority.

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Leonidas, your logic in this thread is pretty bad. Phil's explained it already. During their battle when Wally had Jay, Bart's and Jesse's speed to amp himself, he still still only see Zoom as a blur. It said he was able to accelerate to light speed instantly, not that it was his top speed. He was so fast that they were locked inbetween the tick of the seconds. In fact, during that battle...where multiple punches and kicks were thrown, they had circled the globe a dozen times in less than a second. That's, what, 1.7x light speed....combat speed. Surfer's got, what, one nanosecond reaction speed feat ever?

Combat speed wise Zoom is far above Surfer. And the other fight you refer to where Zoom gets tagged by Bart was when Bart was not just mainlining the Speed Force, but he contained all of the SpeedForce within him. He was amped by the entire Speed Force, and if you've seen the battle, Zoom was still faster than him. The only thing that allowed Bart to win was him vibrating up through the ground to stick a tranquilizer into Zoom.

i . . . don't know what you're talking about. you're apparently getting battles mixed up.

flash used the formula to amp his speed. just the formula. no one else. HE WAS THEN THE EQUAL OF ZOOM.

as far as the rest: 1.7x c. 😐

😆

they traversed the earth a dozen times in less than a second. ss has what--traversed GALAXIES in that time?? you think ss couldn't perceive/react to the speeds they displayed? you truly think ss would be unable to match THAT?? and you say MY logic is bad?? oi vey . . .

my logic holds completely--when someone is fast enough, all that 'controlling time' crap people have been spouting about zoom goes out the window.

Not in any comic ever has the flash ever been Zoom's equal.

Originally posted by leonidas
i . . . don't know what you're talking about. you're apparently getting battles mixed up.

flash used the formula to amp his speed. just the formula. no one else. HE WAS THEN THE EQUAL OF ZOOM.


Let's go ahead and get this out of the way: how does Jesse Quick tap into her SpeedForce powers?

By drinking Nestle Quick

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/8336/7cw0.jpg

"the good thing is i'm as fast as zoom . . ."

and when they are the same speed, both are human.

Originally posted by Mindset
By drinking Nestle Quick

Quiet, Mindset. The grown ups are talking.

Originally posted by leonidas
http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/8336/7cw0.jpg

"the good thing is i'm as fast as zoom . . ."

and when they are the same speed, both are human.


He had Jesse's powers, Bart's powers, and Jay's powers in addition to his own there.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Quiet, Mindset. The grown ups are talking.
The grown ups are talking about comics?

Originally posted by Enyalus
Let's go ahead and get this out of the way: how does Jesse Quick tap into her SpeedForce powers?

like this:

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/13/6xd2.jpg

Originally posted by Mindset
The grown ups are talking about comics?

facepalm I see you can't grasp simple adult conversation. Surfer, Zoom, and Flash are all codewords for talking about pregnant midget porn. Thanks for making me explain it.

Originally posted by Mindset
The grown ups are talking about comics?
lol