Originally posted by Dr McBeefingtonWTF! Anhow GL says Mace overpowered Sidious... In the Saber fight. He then proceeds to say that Sidious is faking that he loses his powers. In the ROTS novelization it says "Mace's blade bent so close to his face that he was choking on ozone. "Anakin, he's too strong for me-"" Now has Sidious continued blasting forth his Sith Lightning eventually Mace would be unable to handle it and take the full brunt of the attack.
Are you that dumb?
Originally posted by Slash_KMCfacepalm
http://s1.zetaboards.com/Project_Eden/topic/1700217/5/Misplacing people much?
I remember that one.
Mace wins. He defeated Sidious with sabers. Sidious tried to fry Mace with lightning. He failed. He pretended to be too weak to continue to try to fry Mace with Lightning.
He was faking only that he couldn't continue the lightning storm that Mace was blocking.
For those who say Mace was about to be overpowered: In this case, "Being overpowered" would have meant being force back a step. When he takes that step back it would have exponentially reduced the force on his blade. (force of an electric field is exponentially proportional to the distance from the source.)
Eventually sidious would have tired for real, Mace would have diced him.
Originally posted by ares834
WTF! Anhow GL says Mace overpowered Sidious... In the Saber fight. He then proceeds to say that Sidious is faking that he loses his powers. In the ROTS novelization it says "Mace's blade bent so close to his face that he was choking on ozone. "Anakin, he's too strong for me-"" Now has Sidious continued blasting forth his Sith Lightning eventually Mace would be unable to handle it and take the full brunt of the attack.
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Originally posted by Profligate
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are you agreeing with ares, or not? Because he is wrong. Lucas said Sidious was faking being too weak to continue, NOT that he would be able to win if he did continue. He forced Mace's saber back, sure, but Mace could have at any time taken a step back. It would have reduced the force on his saber, but done nothing to relieve the pressure on sidious.
Mace's "he's too strong for me." Is reminiscent of his "Obi-Wan, you have the best chance of any of the masters to destroy Grievous."
Mace is always making self-degrading comments. as they are an IN-UNIVERSE source, they cannot be believed anymore than Sidious saying "Your friends are doomed." at Endor.
Originally posted by truejediActually, he is right.
are you agreeing with ares, or not? Because he is wrong.
Lucas said Sidious was faking being too weak to continue,Exactly! Which means he had more in him to continue.
NOT that he would be able to win if he did continue.Windu was already almost overwhelmed, while Sidious was on the floor pretending. Now if Windu was struggling that much to hold on, wouldn't it make sense that eventually he would have been overpowered if Sidious continued?
He forced Mace's saber back, sure, but Mace could have at any time taken a step back.If it were that simple then why didn't he?
It would have reduced the force on his saber, but done nothing to relieve the pressure on sidious.How would it have reduced the force on his saber? It's not like he could step back from the saber while he is holding on to it. Even if he did step back, it would just give Sidious that much more room to get back on his feet, and probably even harder for Windu to redirect the lightning back on him. If Windu was nearly overpowered while Sidious was on his ass, how would he do if Sidious was back on his feet? Sidious' power over the force is greater than Windu's.
Mace's "he's too strong for me." Is reminiscent of his "Obi-Wan, you have the best chance of any of the masters to destroy Grievous."That is different. Way different. Windu was giving Obi Wan words of encouragement. What was his reason to lie to Anakin about Sidious being too strong? Was it because he needed Anakin's help? If he had it all under control he would not need Anakin's help. Remember, just minutes before the fight he didn't need Anakin's help.
Mace is always making self-degrading comments. as they are an IN-UNIVERSE source, they cannot be believed anymore than Sidious saying "Your friends are doomed." at Endor.Sidious is a very well known liar. How is that the same? Why would Windu lie about being nearly overpowered?
Originally posted by truejedi
are you agreeing with ares, or not? Because he is wrong. Lucas said Sidious was faking being too weak to continue, NOT that he would be able to win if he did continue. He forced Mace's saber back, sure, but Mace could have at any time taken a step back. It would have reduced the force on his saber, but done nothing to relieve the pressure on sidious.Mace's "he's too strong for me." Is reminiscent of his "Obi-Wan, you have the best chance of any of the masters to destroy Grievous."
Mace is always making self-degrading comments. as they are an IN-UNIVERSE source, they cannot be believed anymore than Sidious saying "Your friends are doomed." at Endor.
No, of course not.
His logic is Kanye West bad.
Think about it this way.
When Sidious fought Yoda in RotS, Sidious used sith lightning on Yoda, and even though Yoda was stopping it by collecting it in his hands, it still forced him back.
Now I don't know if Yoda collecting it in his hands was weaker than Mace blocking it with his lightsaber. If that's not the case, it COULD mean that Sidious was faking it with Mace, or maybe it was just because he was on his butt and it was restricting him or something.
I don't really know, I'm just taking a guess here.
Prof, I'm not sure I understand your analogy. Is Kanye's logic known to be exceptionally poor or is the quality of the logic Ares uses of similar goodness to Kanye West? The distinction is pretty massive. The former uses a racist stereotype (of widespread ignorance and stupidity in the African American population) to attack someone with a particularly nerdy insult while the latter judges the value of a life to be as low as that of the logic displayed in that post.
So are you a racist or a callous pig?
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Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Actually, he is right. Exactly! Which means he had more in him to continue.
Windu was already almost overwhelmed, while Sidious was on the floor pretending. Now if Windu was struggling that much to hold on, wouldn't it make sense that eventually he would have been overpowered if Sidious continued?
He wasn't HOLDING ON. He was trying his darndest to force the offensive and failing. Overpowered into taking that step back that he was trying his darndest to take back.
If it were that simple then why didn't he?
He was trying to kill Sidious... Retreating would delay that.
How would it have reduced the force on his saber? It's not like he could step back from the saber while he is holding on to it. Even if he did step back, it would just give Sidious that much more room to get back on his feet, and probably even harder for Windu to redirect the lightning back on him. If Windu was nearly overpowered while Sidious was on his ass, how would he do if Sidious was back on his feet? Sidious' power over the force is greater than Windu's.
It would have reduced the force on the saber because that is how electric fields (which are what produce the force of lightning) work. They exponentially decrease the further they are from the source. And windu would have taken the saber with him when retreating?
Also, Sidious being stronger in the force than Mace is like Dooku being stronger than Kenobi. You throw in a lightsaber, and Dooku was unable to overwhelm kenobi with lightning.
That is different. Way different. Windu was giving Obi Wan words of encouragement. What was his reason to lie to Anakin about Sidious being too strong? Was it because he needed Anakin's help? If he had it all under control he would not need Anakin's help. Remember, just minutes before the fight he didn't need Anakin's help.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRNUMAztVHc&feature=related
He says "He has control of the SEnate and the courts, he is too dangerous to be left alive." No gaps in the lightning fight for any dialogue from ROTS to be admissable.
Sidious is a very well known liar. How is that the same? Why would Windu lie about being nearly overpowered?
He didn't say it. My bad for arguing the point without checking.
Mace never said he was being overpowered.
Originally posted by truejediHe didn't continue though.
[B]Agreed. Continue. Not win.
He wasn't HOLDING ON.It looked to me like he was trying his hardest to keep the saber away from hitting his own face. Whatever Windu was trying to do he was clearly struggling.
He was trying his darndest to force the offensive and failing. Overpowered into taking that step back that he was trying his darndest to take back.If he didn't step back he would have eventually been overwhelmed by the lightning. If he did step it would give Sidious that much more room to get back on his feet. Either way it would have worked in Sidious' favor.
He was trying to kill Sidious... Retreating would delay that.He was not getting any where no how.
Windu was clearly getting exhausted, while Sidious was just fine. Sidious did not even seem to feel threatened by Windu.
It would have reduced the force on the saber because that is how electric fields (which are what produce the force of lightning) work. They exponentially decrease the further they are from the source. And windu would have taken the saber with him when retreating?A step back would not make much of a difference. And if Windu took many steps back, it would give Sidious room to get back on his fee
Also, Sidious being stronger in the force than Mace is like Dooku being stronger than Kenobi. You throw in a lightsaber, and Dooku was unable to overwhelm kenobi with lightning.Windu had a lightsaber and was nearly overwhelmed. Yoda had a lightsaber and had it blasted right out his hands. Kota had a lightsaber and was blasted on his ass. Sidious' lightning>>>> Dooku's.
He never said that Sidious was too strong. [quote] True.You are right so we will leave that out.[quote] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRNUMAztVHc&feature=related
[quote] He says "He has control of the SEnate and the courts, he is too dangerous to be left alive." No gaps in the lightning fight for any dialogue from ROTS to be admissable.
Originally posted by Red Nemesis
Prof, I'm not sure I understand your analogy. Is Kanye's logic known to be exceptionally poor or is the quality of the logic Ares uses of similar goodness to Kanye West? The distinction is pretty massive. The former uses a racist stereotype (of widespread ignorance and stupidity in the African American population) to attack someone with a particularly nerdy insult while the latter judges the value of a life to be as low as that of the logic displayed in that post.So are you a racist or a callous pig?
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