Mace Windu vs Darth Sidious

truejedi
Mace was going to win.

Possibly.

truejedi
Sidious faked being able to continue, that is all.

no.

The RotS commentary says Sidious was feigning weakness; he could have continued. That is not up for discussion. Based on all evidence, his Force reserves are miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles greater than Mace's. Whether or not it would have changed anything, however, is.

truejedi
Continuing was not going to guarantee his victory.

Indeed.

didn't u just agree with me gideon?

(originally posted by truejedi)
Sidious faked being able to continue, that is all.

(by gideon)

The RotS commentary says Sidious was feigning weakness; he could have continued. That is not up for discussion. Based on all evidence, his Force reserves are miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles greater than Mace's. Whether or not it would have changed anything, however, is.

We just said the exact same thing.

Yeah, but the wording was confusing. You mean he faked not being able to continue.

*facepalm*

"We just said the exact same thing."

"Yeah, but the wording was confusing." You mean the exact opposite of what you wrote.

😬

Originally posted by Gideon
Yeah, but the wording was confusing. You mean he faked [b]not being able to continue. [/B]

you are correct sir. My fault. I did mean "fake being not able to continue."

I'm fairly certain Mace admitted to struggling against Palpatine's lightning in the novelization. Mace's blade bent so close to his face that he was choking on ozone. "Anakin, he's too strong for me--" pg. 334. Mace's body was also aching from the strain.

A continued assault from Palpatine would most likely end up in Mace's death.

Also, we have no conclusive evidence that the force of Palpatine's lightning at that point was anywhere close to his maximum output.

Originally posted by truejedi
Continuing was not going to guarantee his victory. [/B]

Originally posted by Elok Quintly
I'm fairly certain Mace admitted to struggling against Palpatine's lightning in the novelization. Mace's blade bent so close to his face that he was choking on ozone. "Anakin, he's too strong for me--" pg. 334. Mace's body was also aching from the strain.

A continued assault from Palpatine would most likely end up in Mace's death.

Also, we have no conclusive evidence that the force of Palpatine's lightning at that point was anywhere close to his maximum output.

that part from ROTS novelization is non-canon however, since if he had said "Anakin he's too strong for me..." It would have been on-screen.

Secondly, i already posted why it hardly matters if Sidious was overwhelming him from one step away, as taking one step back would have reduced by a factor of 4. Two steps back was going to reduce it by a factor of 9.

I think you would hardly be trying to say that sidious was only at 1/9 of his potential output?

Well he did say "I'm too weak".

hmmm? I'll have to watch it again. I watched it last week when i first necroed this thread, and didn't notice that. I'll check later tonight when i get someplace with volume.;

Originally posted by truejedi
that part from ROTS novelization is non-canon however, since if he had said "Anakin he's too strong for me..." It would have been on-screen.

Secondly, i already posted why it hardly matters if Sidious was overwhelming him from one step away, as taking one step back would have reduced by a factor of 4. Two steps back was going to reduce it by a factor of 9.

I think you would hardly be trying to say that sidious was only at 1/9 of his potential output?

Second, Mace was losing energy. The lightning attack was draining him, it wouldn't have mattered how many steps away he took, he would eventually be too drained to block any of it.

Never ceases to amaze me how people blindly accept so-called "G-cannon" despite the fact that the man has completely and utterly lost the plot with regards to where he has taken the franchise and what he's put his name to over the past 12 years.

Never ceases to amaze me how people are so willing to disregard established boundaries for the sake of convenience. Oh wait, no it doesn't. Schmuck.

Originally posted by Elok Quintly
There is nothing that states parts of the novelization that don't appear on-screen are deemed non-canon. It is canon. Only when events on-screen blatantly contradict what is written in the novel is it rendered non-canon. The novels are considered G-canon as well.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
I think you mean "when the novels contradict the movies". Kit Fisto wasn't beheaded, Agen Kolar wasn't stabbed through the head, and there wasn't, as the ANH novel says, multiple emperors.

Originally posted by Elok Quintly
There is nothing that states parts of the novelization that don't appear on-screen are deemed non-canon. It is canon. Only when events on-screen blatantly contradict what is written in the novel is it rendered non-canon.

false. we watch the ENTIRE portion of the duel where Anakin is in the room without a break-away. We see the entire lightning confrontation. There is NO CUT AWAY during the action to allow for the possibility of the novelization dialogue. Movies do trump books. That is just fact. Not really debatable.

"mace was losing energy, the lightning attack was draining him.."

Originally posted by Elok Quintly
No, the ANH novel stated there was only one emperor. The only discrepancy is in how Palpatine was portrayed--as a weak-willed dullard with delusions of grandeur, ultimately controlled by bureaucrats. And that was how Lucas originally envisioned him. As the series went on, Palpatine evolved into the puppet master and wankish Force god we all love--or despise.

Way to miss the point.

Lucien is winning the thread.

Originally posted by truejedi
false. we watch the ENTIRE portion of the duel where Anakin is in the room without a break-away. We see the entire lightning confrontation. There is NO CUT AWAY during the action to allow for the possibility of the novelization dialogue. Movies do trump books. That is just fact. Not really debatable.

Prove it.
Source please.

On that same page, Victory flooded through Mace's aching body. He lifted his blade. So far as I can tell, Mace still lifted his blade to Palpatine in the film version, and since this is written from an omniscient perspective, there are no dialogue differences to render it non-canon.

And an aching body, particularly in this case, is indicative of strain.

strain, however, is not indicative of losing energy. Of course omniscient narrator perspective is still valid.

And Lucien, it is SIDIOUS that says "too weak" Not Mace. Mace doesn't say anything but, "No, HE is the traitor!" during the lightning.

Originally posted by Red Nemesis
Way to miss the point.

Lucien is winning the thread.

am i winning now cause lucien was wrong? lol. 😄 😄 😄