Mace Windu vs Darth Sidious

Started by Lord Lucien7 pages

Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
im pretty sure this is 100% not true. 😐 force lightning isnt even real electricity in all honesty.
Yeah. It's pretend electricity. Not at all like the Force, or a lightsaber.

If Force lightning was composed of actual electrons than it would arc for whatever it was attracted to the most, not to wherever the person firing it off was pointing it at.

The simplest explanation is that lightning is just an application of Dark Side energy that gives the impression of electricity.

This is Star Wars and I'm pretty certain I can't think of a softer sci-fi setting

Originally posted by ares834
Why does it matter? The lightning generates the Electric field thus if the lightning is in your face so to is th eelectric field, so if Mace does back away it won't matter. AF course it dosn't matter, its the amps that kills a person and this is generated by the current NOT the field. The field creates volts which DO NOT kill.

wait a minute? So you are saying that the lightning is Q instead of q?

I had sidious as Q, and the lightning as any q from the source.

If you are correct, then i am wrong, and will withdraw the argument.

to your second point, the amps kill a person IF they touch the person. Mace was holding the amperes at bay with his lightsaber, and it was the FORCE of the lightning that was threatening to overwhelm his lightsaber.

So, yeah, if he lowered the lightsaber, he would die from amps, but he was actually more in danger of having his lightsaber cut into himself.

Um, it's dark side energy, True Jedi. Autokrat is exactly right. It doesn't have the same properties as lightning in our world since our lightning is not magicka manifested, which is precisely what Force lightning is.

magicka manifested? LOL this isn't Final Fantasy

Oh, and:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRNUMAztVHc

I think we've all seen that duel thousands of times already.

Originally posted by Autokrat
If Force lightning was composed of actual electrons than it would arc for whatever it was attracted to the most, not to wherever the person firing it off was pointing it at.

The simplest explanation is that lightning is just an application of Dark Side energy that gives the impression of electricity.

This is Star Wars and I'm pretty certain I can't think of a softer sci-fi setting

I like this, because of the fact that it doesn't LOOK like actual lightning, considering it is a stream, and as we know, lightning is not a STREAM, its more of a one time bolt thing.

Problem is, we don't know the properties of Dark side lightning.

Originally posted by truejedi
I like this, because of the fact that it doesn't LOOK like actual lightning, considering it is a stream, and as we know, lightning is not a STREAM, its more of a one time bolt thing.

Problem is, we don't know the properties of Dark side lightning.

So how can you make that argument then? I completely think that windu busted his ass. However, unless we know for a fact, the properties of sith/force lightning, you're point of argument isn't that strong.

what? I just retracted my argument and agreed with Autokrat. What the hell argument are you talking about now? try again.

Originally posted by Jinsoku Takai
So how can you make that argument then? I completely think that windu busted his ass. However, unless we know for a fact, the properties of sith/force lightning, you're point of argument isn't that strong.

*facepalm*

So that still leaves a strained Windu with a powerful Sidious. Any other arguments on why Sidious can't eventually overcome him at this point?

Originally posted by Elok Quintly
Mace still has to defend against a power-seething Sidious who is still hurling lightning at him. In this scenario, Sidious could even reverse the situation and corner Mace. Heck, given that this is moving away from the window, Sidous has three different Jedi lightsabers he can call upon depending on where they end up.

Sidious is also a master of sun djem.

I am still thinking Mace wins this. Mace is strained, Sidious is powerful, sure, but Sidious was straining as well. "darkness" returning to its source WAS taking its toll on Sidious's body.

Considering that we DON'T know the properties of dark side lightning, it is still completely open to theorize that putting some distance between himself and sidious would somewhat alleviate his discomfort. He was not overwhelmed you see, merely strained. Hardly a damning factor.

At the end of the day, we still have mace with a weapon vs. Sidious without.

As for Djem So, If sidious had been more deadly with Djem So than with a lightsaber, he would have used Djem So against the 4 masters and against Yoda instead of using a lightsaber at all. Just saying.

(notice what i did there? Agree with autokrat so i can now go to the "properties unknown" argument for the lightning, because my initial claim about the electric field was based on a faulty premise? Sometimes i loathe myself!! 😄 )

We have no evidence to prove Sidious's use of lightning was draining him at all. His change in countenance was caused purely by the reflected dark side energy dispelling his alchemic mask. It wasn't really weakening him, hence him faking it.

And he did use djem so against Yoda. He disarmed him with one blast.

Originally posted by Elok Quintly
And he did use djem so against Yoda. He disarmed him with one blast.

Dear Mr. Quintly, I think you have misconstrued your god's actions during his fight with Yoda.

He took Yoda by surprise with Force Lightning, not a djem so word game.

notice what i did there? Agree with autokrat so i can now go to the "properties unknown" argument for the lightning, because my initial claim about the electric field was based on a faulty premise? Sometimes i loathe myself!!

Pfft...

This is like a philosopher switching from the Correspondence Theory of truth to the Pragmatic Theory of truth so he can build a case against Materialistic Determinism.

Thief.

isn't djem so a form of lightsaber combat? Is everybody looking for the words dun moch?

'Krat, elaborate.

Yeah, Truejedi confused me with his mistake. Djem so is a lightsaber form. I meant sun djem.

And Mr. Autokrat, it was still sun djem. Palpatine disarmed Yoda. That is an exercise of sun djem.

Yoda was also on guard, it wasn't as if Sidious caught him with his back turned.

Originally posted by Red Nemesis
isn't djem so a form of lightsaber combat? Is everybody looking for the words dun moch?

'Krat, elaborate.

Hey I can't be blamed if Star Wars is full of made up names for stupid shit.

Djem So, Dun Moch, whatever...

Based on the context of Quintly's post I assumed he was refering to Dun Moch which I misconstrued for whatever reason as Djem So.

And by 'elaborate' I was referring to your indictment of TJ. My direct address was intended to illustrate change of topic. I'm struggling with abrupt changes of conversation topics right now. My bad.