Who is more powerful, Thor or the Silver Surfer?

Originally posted by darthgoober
Cool. In that case how do you account for Surfer's better showings of comparative power against common foes like Hulk, Wonderman, and BRB?

And aside from the potential PIS factor, as Ambient has repeatedly pointed out now Thor was stated on-panel as being amped by his madness. It may not have been the true Warrior Madness, but it's not as if Genis or Lightray were under Asgardian Warrior's Madness when they were insane and being portrayed at levels far beyond the norm for them either. That's just the way things are with crazy people...

Nonsense, I admitted no such thing.

You want to wait 3 months...

Now you are falling for that despite the lack of proof. No, Thor was being portrayed as this badass because this is what kind of threat he would be if went down that particular path. Thor not holding back wanting to kill his enemies would be an absolute beast and was.

You conceded to it regardless as you have been unable to name a feat that compares to the godblast.

You asked when I told you. 😉

Really? I've pointed out in a few diff. intances (w/ proof on panel.. too boot) were his insanity (pre-gem) is not normal.. Ie.. Affecting someone in the physical world 2x, stated by BRB, and there's also the fact that this insanity was the result of Odin Manipulation of Thors spirit/psyche was given form by Thor... Meeh

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Originally posted by Ambient
Really? I've pointed out in a few diff. intances (w/ proof on panel.. too boot) were his insanity (pre-gem) is not normal.. Ie.. Affecting someone in the physical world 2x, stated by BRB, and there's also the fact that this insanity was the result of Odin Manipulation of Thors spirit/psyche was given form by Thor... Meeh

It wasn't really anything Odin did. Just Thor realizing that Odin had been an *******.

So has Surfer ever put out blasts on the level of the anti-force or godblast?

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
So has Surfer ever put out blasts on the level of the anti-force or godblast?

If you're referring to the blast that has pierced a celestial, made galactus flee, no, silver surfer has done nothing to make me think he has that kind of power.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
It wasn't really anything Odin did. Just Thor realizing that Odin had been an *******.

Odin is capable of manipulating Thors spirit/psyche, he was able to merge/remerge two consciousness and bodies into one (god and mortal) with little effort, yet when it came to removing the Valkyrie he was unable.. I'm Finding that hard to beleived, specially when he was directly responsible for this..

FYI: Im pretty sure Thor was desperately fighting back, specially when Odin merge his consicousness with Masterson, his emprisonment to Donald Blake, also w/ the other manipulation.. yet made little diff..

More rant that lead me to concl. something a lot more to this insanity than meets the eye..lol

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
So has Surfer ever put out blasts on the level of the anti-force or godblast?

If he was allowed to amp/absorb, i quess yeah.. Surfer did manage to destroy a dead star system before but he was amp by absorbing loads and loads of energy.. the unilord saga..

Originally posted by quanchi112
So you want to forget about their direct showing in favor of abc logic. 😂 Thor already beat BrB anyways right before he beat the Surfer. 😂

Now you are falling for that despite the lack of proof. No, Thor was being portrayed as this badass because this is what kind of threat he would be if went down that particular path. Thor not holding back wanting to kill his enemies would be an absolute beast and was.

You conceded to it regardless as you have been unable to name a feat that compares to the godblast.

You asked when I told you. 😉

There is proof in that Thor was portrayed as being far more impressive than he normally is. You might attribute it to his change in path, but it was stated on-panel as being an amp.

Sure I have, his casual creation of a black hole. If you're claiming that Thor's Godblast is more impressive, prove it. Galactus was weak and then went through a massive battle with the Elder of the Universe known as Ego, so Thor driving him off really isn't impressive. Against the Celestials, he used his belt of strength which isn't standard equipment for him. Without the belt his hammer would have be destroyed long before he released all that energy.

Well if that's how long it takes you to work up to it...

Godblast messed up a dark god who before taking power from odin was already above a person who can easily own classic thor,blackhole doesn't have shit on a godblast.

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
Godblast messed up a dark god who before taking power from odin was already above a person who can easily own classic thor,blackhole doesn't have shit on a godblast.

Originally posted by darthgoober
What?

biscuits

Don't see what is so hard to understand about that,perikkus can easily own classic thor and perikkus mother or whatever was stronger then him and at the time when thor godblasted her she also had a good deal of odins power amping her further.

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
Don't see what is so hard to understand about that,perikkus can easily own classic thor and perikkus mother or whatever was stronger then him and at the time when thor godblasted her she also had a good deal of odins power amping her further.

Thats nice and still doesn't compare to blasting the shit out of a skyfather level being,we of course also have thors universe shaking thermo-blast feat as well.

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
Thats nice and still doesn't compare to blasting the shit out of a skyfather level being,we of course also have thors universe shaking thermo-blast feat as well.

Originally posted by Ambient
Just a speculation that might have some merit to it... meeh

Odin is capable of manipulating Thors spirit/psyche, he was able to merge/remerge two consciousness and bodies into one (god and mortal) with little effort, yet when it came to removing the Valkyrie he was unable.. I'm Finding that hard to beleived, specially when he was directly responsible for this..

FYI: Im pretty sure Thor was desperately fighting back, specially when Odin merge his consicousness with Masterson, his emprisonment to Donald Blake, also w/ the other manipulation.. yet made little diff..

More rant that lead me to concl. something a lot more to this insanity than meets the eye..lol

Interesting, if true.

Let's not forget that Valkyrie was a part of Thor and that removing her could do untold damage. At the end, both Thor and Odin were uncertain of what would happen to him once they removed the madness. This could be part of the reason why Odin did not act.

Odin's crow also seemed to be capable of merging Thor with Blake.

SS IMO

Originally posted by darthgoober
Are you refusing to discuss anything outside of B&T again?

There is proof in that Thor was portrayed as being far more impressive than he normally is. You might attribute it to his change in path, but it was stated on-panel as being an amp.

Sure I have, his casual creation of a black hole. If you're claiming that Thor's Godblast is more impressive, prove it. Galactus was weak and then went through a massive battle with the Elder of the Universe known as Ego, so Thor driving him off really isn't impressive. Against the Celestials, he used his belt of strength which isn't standard equipment for him. Without the belt his hammer would have be destroyed long before he released all that energy.

Well if that's how long it takes you to work up to it...

No, it wasn't. The only amp he had was the power gem. This has been covered already and the book more than mentioned when he was literally receiving an amp as opposed to figuratively.

You're comparing a black hole to the godblast. 😂 Would a surfer created blackhole give pause to a Celestial or Galactus.

Whether or not the belt of strength was there reinforcing it is besides the issue. That's the kind of power Thor contains. It's enough to shatter a reinforced hammer. Impressive, me thinks.

You asked when i have free time for this and I do in october.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No. What do you want do discuss. It's pretty cut and dry. It doesn't get any simpler than the godblast being more powerful than anything the Surfer has ever done within his own power before.

No, it wasn't. The only amp he had was the power gem. This has been covered already and the book more than mentioned when he was literally receiving an amp as opposed to figuratively.

You're comparing a black hole to the godblast. 😂 Would a surfer created blackhole give pause to a Celestial or Galactus.

Whether or not the belt of strength was there reinforcing it is besides the issue. That's the kind of power Thor contains. It's enough to shatter a reinforced hammer. Impressive, me thinks.

You asked when i have free time for this and I do in october.

On-panel it said that he was drawing strength from the Madness. Thor then demonstrated the amp by taking down BRB, Surfer, and Warlock. It's your prerogative as to whether or not you want to ignore it being outright stated and then demonstrated on panel, but the evidence disagrees with you.

A weakened Galactus has been put down by far less. I think he's even been put down from a punch from Thing in fact.

It's not beside the issue. If the Hammer is what he uses to channel the energy and the hammer will shatter without the belt if Thor uses that much energy, it means that Thor can't use that level of the attack in a thread without his belt since his hammer will shatter before he releases that much energy. So unless this thread is about who's more powerful between Thor w/Belt and Surfer, Thor's feat against the Celestials is pretty much meaningless.

Well if/when ever you're ready just let me know ...

Originally posted by darthgoober
Nope 'frain not.

On-panel it said that he was drawing strength from the Madness. Thor then demonstrated the amp by taking down BRB, Surfer, and Warlock. It's your prerogative as to whether or not you want to ignore it being outright stated and then demonstrated on panel, but the evidence disagrees with you.

A weakened Galactus has been put down by far less. I think he's even been put down from a punch from Thing in fact.

It's not beside the issue. If the Hammer is what he uses to channel the energy and the hammer will shatter without the belt if Thor uses that much energy, it means that Thor can't use that level of the attack in a thread without his belt since his hammer will shatter before he releases that much energy. So unless this thread is about who's more powerful between Thor w/Belt and Surfer, Thor's feat against the Celestials is pretty much meaningless.

Well if/when ever you're ready just let me know ...

Again, Bill was misinformed and was incorrect. He falsely thought it was warrior's madness, but it wasn't so guess who is right? Me. 🙂

When did Galactus get put down by Thing's punch?

No, it isn't meaningless. The fact is Thor has the power to destroy even his own hammer thus proving his power level is higher than the Surfer's. He doesn't need his most powerful godblast to prove he is more powerful than the Surfer anyways.

Thor also can use these awesome energies without the aid of mjolnir. He godblasted durok.

Will do. 😉