Who is more powerful, Thor or the Silver Surfer?

Originally posted by Mindship
Understood. I wasn't sure how it went down.

PIS for Sue to get through the armor? Plausible. But it looks like pure power once she was in (at least, there is no mention of her continuing with the harmonics). As for PIS with the Surfer manipulating the Crunch energies? I think it's safer to say that Surfer could've more plausibly replicated Sue's feat, again given he's no stranger to hyperspace and is overall more powerful than Sue.

This part I agree with. Basically, I define "more powerful" as ...
1) how much Character X could destroy with a single blast
... plus ...
2) how much of a single blast it would take to destroy Character X.

But that's neither here nor there. This is your thread. I have to abide by your stips.

I don't think she could do the same thing to Galactus is my point.

I rarely ever call pis and don't call it on either situation. Surfer manipulating another plot device but this goes to the versatility of his power and nothing more.

Surfer doesn't have the necessary power to affect Gaalctus or a Celestial imo. Thor does and doesn't need a specific compatible ability to effect either. That's my point.

Damn bottom of the page...

Originally posted by quanchi112
Show me a scan where it stated he was more powerful. Are you saying he was more powerful then against Exitar? Really?

Yes, it is at it is the energy output he is capable of.

Nope, that just proves inconsistent writing. I mean come on you are acting like every single writer feels the same way about character matchups. Grow up.

That feat is Thor's energy output at his best. It stands.

Godblast. Nuff said. His hammer didn't shatter so I have no idea what weird argument you are trying to drum up now. I guess iyo his blows were more powerful than the godblast. 😂

Thor didn't use his most powerful attacks and they can't magically tell if he is more powerful. He hit harder, big deal.

The point is though Thor is still powerful enough to affect Galactus while Surfer is nothing compared to him. Thor is more powerful and comics have proven this time and again.

No, I am covering showings against surfer and thor. Thor can't screw with Galactus either outside the godblast.

Based on what? You haven't been able to provide anything comparable to a godblast.

Originally posted by darthgoober
So now you've become so desperate you're left with "Nuh uh" responses and won't actually address anything being said? In that case I'll leave you to your game of checkers and you can just let me know if/when you're ready for our BZ so we can have a real debate 🙂 .

Originally posted by darthgoober
Damn bottom of the page...

Originally posted by quanchi112
You finally concede? You never proved anything and just leeched off to someone else's argument midway through and wanted to ignore Thor's best feats and downplay them. I see a lot of immaturity in you.

Originally posted by Digi
Putting words in his mouth isn't a valid debating tactic, nor is "accepting a concession" that isn't there. He's got his opinion, you've got yours. It's a comic book tiers list...try not to act like you've been personally affronted.

Like I said, just call me when you're ready for a real debate and have fun with Checkers while you're waiting.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Concede... 😂 . I think Digi said it best in the Tier's list...

Like I said, just call me when you're ready for a real debate and have fun with Checkers while you're waiting.

Again, all you have done is downplayed the Galactus showing, worked your ass off to eliminate the Exitar feat, claimed BrB and Warlock's statements proved Thor was amped despite him not being afflicted with warrior's madness, etc. Tried comparing a surfer created black hole to a godblast because you had nothing else.

Checkmate. 🙂

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yet another example of you leeching off to someone else's statement.

Again, all you have done is downplayed the Galactus showing, worked your ass off to eliminate the Exitar feat, claimed BrB and Warlock's statements proved Thor was amped despite him not being afflicted with warrior's madness, etc. Tried comparing a surfer created black hole to a godblast because you had nothing else.

Checkmate. 🙂

I've done far more, but you feel that your opinion trumps what's shown on panel so I'm content to accept my victory in the eyes of the onlookers and be done with.

You got to learn to play the game first.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, her power level had to do specifically with hyperspace or so I thought making it perfect for that situation.

I don't think she could do the same thing to Galactus is my point.

I rarely ever call pis and don't call it on either situation. Surfer manipulating another plot device but this goes to the versatility of his power and nothing more.

Surfer doesn't have the necessary power to affect Gaalctus or a Celestial imo. Thor does and doesn't need a specific compatible ability to effect either. That's my point.

Originally posted by darthgoober
No, yet another example of someone agreeing with me. Don't hate just because it so rarely happens to you.

I've done far more, but you feel that your opinion trumps what's shown on panel so I'm content to accept my victory in the eyes of the onlookers and be done with.

You got to learn to play the game first.

Hahaha. Thor is beating the Surfer and the vote actually changed thanks in part to my charge. Again, all you have is a character's opinion which also was wrong about him being in the state of warrior's madness. You didn't prove a thing like usual.

Figures, I beat you in chess just now and all you want to do is talk about checkers. I'm sure it's a favorite game of yours as it's easy to understand.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I just wish you would be able to argue things on your own sometime and keep it civil.

Hahaha. Thor is beating the Surfer and the vote actually changed thanks in part to my charge. Again, all you have is a character's opinion which also was wrong about him being in the state of warrior's madness. You didn't prove a thing like usual.

Figures, I beat you in chess just now and all you want to do is talk about checkers. I'm sure it's a favorite game of yours as it's easy to understand.

😂 The vote? You mean the vote that's at the mercy of socks? Yeah there's an accomplishment. I have on panel proof, you have your opinion.

Quan you don't even know how to play Chess in this sense. We aspire to higher standards than herochat here(which is why you always lose). Again, just let me know when you're ready for a real debate.

Originally posted by darthgoober
I can argue things just fine, don't hate just because you like to use poor debating tactics.

😂 The vote? You mean the vote that's at the mercy of socks? Yeah there's an accomplishment. I have on panel proof, you have your opinion.

Quan you don't even know how to play Chess in this sense. We aspire to higher standards than herochat here(which is why you always lose). Again, just let me know when you're ready for a real debate.

You don't have any on panel proof. You are basing your entire argument off of two character's opinions who happened to be wrong.

Goober your insults and your immaturity ring through time and time again. Again, the votes back me up and everyone besides the known surfer fans can see it plain as day. Thor wins. Nice try trying to downplay all of Thor's feats you would fit in on cbr. Pis has always been a fanboy's favorite tool. Keep using it.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I don't you just seem to be weak yourself.

You don't have any on panel proof. You are basing your entire argument off of two character's opinions who happened to be wrong.

Goober your insults and your immaturity ring through time and time again. Again, the votes back me up and everyone besides the known surfer fans can see it plain as day. Thor wins. Nice try trying to downplay all of Thor's feats you would fit in on cbr. Pis has always been a fanboy's favorite tool. Keep using it.

Their opinion trumps yours 😉 . My case is supported in the comic, your's isn't.

Oh Quan I haven't insulted you, just pointed out the problems with your arguments. Don't take it so personally, it's just comics. Why would I "keep on using" PIS when forum rules bar such incidents? I'm not the one prone to break that rule, you are.

Originally posted by darthgoober
And you seem to be so desperate that you need to keep changing the subject. If you think that's preferable to showing "weakness" by pointing out a Mod's statement then more power to you.

Their opinion trumps yours 😉 . My case is supported in the comic, your's isn't.

Oh Quan I haven't insulted you, just pointed out the problems with your arguments. Don't take it so personally, it's just comics. Why would I "keep on using" PIS when forum rules bar such incidents? I'm not the one prone to break that rule, you are.

My proof is supported by the comic while yours isn't. There was no amp stated until he received the power gem. It's all in the story.

I don't take anything you ever say personally. I was there to give you a show of support when you were having marital problems. These are just comics.

Thor wins this argument via the godblast. Sorry, I didn't buy into the whole blackhole argument was more powerful than the godblast.

Preety dead even match in power. Each has some small advantages over the other, each can energy absorb, and the Surfer isn't vunerable to a magic-based assault. Thor's rage and ruthlessness can make him vunerable; Surfer's lack of true killer instinct can make him vunerable.

It's a draw.

silver surfer for sure.

Originally posted by roughrider
Preety dead even match in power. Each has some small advantages over the other, each can energy absorb, and the Surfer isn't vunerable to a magic-based assault. Thor's rage and ruthlessness can make him vunerable; Surfer's lack of true killer instinct can make him vunerable.

It's a draw.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Again, let it go.

My proof is supported by the comic while yours isn't. There was no amp stated until he received the power gem. It's all in the story.

I don't take anything you ever say personally. I was there to give you a show of support when you were having marital problems. These are just comics.

Thor wins this argument via the godblast. Sorry, I didn't buy into the whole blackhole argument was more powerful than the godblast.

Let what go? You said something, I responded, that's all.

Nope. No where in the comic does it mention that BRB was wrong about him drawing strength from his madness or that Warlock was wrong about him being faster and more dangerous than he was while in Warrior Madness. I have proof, you have your opinion.

I know, that's why I don't know why you're so bent out of shape thinking that I'm insulting you while you throw around the word fanboy. All I've done is point out what was stated in the comics and the problems with your reasoning, it's nothing to get upset over.

You don't have to buy it. Debates aren't for the benefit of those participating, it's for the onlookers. That's why I get so confused when you try to pretend like your "winning" when everyone watching can see that I'm pointing out proof and you're responses are along the lines of "Nuh uh".

Originally posted by darthgoober
Let what go? You said something, I responded, that's all.

Nope. No where in the comic does it mention that BRB was wrong about him drawing strength from his madness or that Warlock was wrong about him being faster and more dangerous than he was while in Warrior Madness. I have proof, you have your opinion.

I know, that's why I don't know why you're so bent out of shape thinking that I'm insulting you while you throw around the word fanboy. All I've done is point out what was stated in the comics and the problems with your reasoning, it's nothing to get upset over.

You don't have to buy it. Debates aren't for the benefit of those participating, it's for the onlookers. That's why I get so confused when you try to pretend like your "winning" when everyone watching can see that I'm pointing out proof and you're responses are along the lines of "Nuh uh".

Nowhere in the comic do they ever state him being amped due to his madness. It was BrB incorrectly assuming he was afflicted with the warrior's madness.

Again, I'm not upset. I just scoff at your strawman argument and your wild assertions. You have run from anything I have presented and leeched onto other poster's arguments.

The votes poured in and changed due to my participation. Surfer was winning now Thor is. Looks like the onlookers side with me. 😉

Originally posted by quanchi112
Let this thread go. You have avoided the main point of this topic for a while now while becoming obsessed with Thor's ownage of the Surfer in blood and thunder.

Nowhere in the comic do they ever state him being amped due to his madness. It was BrB incorrectly assuming he was afflicted with the warrior's madness.

Again, I'm not upset. I just scoff at your strawman argument and your wild assertions. You have run from anything I have presented and leeched onto other poster's arguments.

The votes poured in and changed due to my participation. Surfer was winning now Thor is. Looks like the onlookers side with me. 😉

BRB says that he was drawing strength from the madness. Warlock says that he's faster and more dangerous than he was in Warrior Madness(if you can't connect the dots on that one so be it).

I haven't run from anything. You bring up something and I counter it with something else. That's how debating works.

Again, the votes are subject to socking and are almost totally unreliable. That's why they're not used in tournaments on KMC anymore.

Originally posted by darthgoober
You kept citing B&T as evidence, so we kept talking about it. That's not me obsessing, that's you obsessing.

BRB says that he was drawing strength from the madness. Warlock says that he's faster and more dangerous than he was in Warrior Madness(if you can't connect the dots on that one so be it).

I haven't run from anything. You bring up something and I counter it with something else. That's how debating works.

Again, the votes are subject to socking and are almost totally unreliable. That's why they're not used in tournaments on KMC anymore.

BrB also said he was sure he was afflicted with warrior's madness. Warlock's recollections don't prove an amp. His state of mind made him dangerous not more powerful, faster, etc. It's even ludicrous to even suggest such a thing. The arc states it clearly when he does start getting stronger through the power gem. 😂

You never countered any old godblast. None.

Again, you bring up the onlookers and I cite the fact the votes have swung in my favor and you run from that.

Godblast wins, nuff said.

Originally posted by darthgoober
BRB says that he was drawing strength from the madness. Warlock says that he's faster and more dangerous than he was in Warrior Madness(if you can't connect the dots on that one so be it).

Warlock said Thor was more dangerous than he remembered. Which makes sense, seeing as Thor never tried to kill him. What does BRB know? How can BRB tell that Thor is drawing strength from the madness? Does BRB have any kind of education or prior knowledge? No. BRB does not know sh1t. He's an android from a far distant alien race who has only fought Thor sans the hammer in a scenario which naturally favoured him.

When Warlock and Moondragon both say that it's a made up persona by Thor and Odin later claims that it was not WM AND that Valkyrie IS a part of Thor, I think we'll go with that.