Who is more powerful, Thor or the Silver Surfer?

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, it was brought up and you kept going over and over it again wanting to pretend Thor had an amp. All that fight proved was Thor's superiority in combat not his power edge anyways.

BrB also said he was sure he was afflicted with warrior's madness. Warlock's recollections don't prove an amp. His state of mind made him dangerous not more powerful, faster, etc. It's even ludicrous to even suggest such a thing. The arc states it clearly when he does start getting stronger through the power gem. 😂

You never countered any old godblast. None.

Again, you bring up the onlookers and I cite the fact the votes have swung in my favor and you run from that.

Godblast wins, nuff said.

How can his state of mind in B&T make him more powerful than himself x10 when he's not prone to hold back while in Warrior Madness either?

Sure I did, his Black Hole blast.

The vote doesn't mean anything you silly goose.

Nope.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Warlock said Thor was more dangerous than he remembered. Which makes sense, seeing as Thor never tried to kill him. What does BRB know? How can BRB tell that Thor is drawing strength from the madness? Does BRB have any kind of education or prior knowledge? No. BRB does not know sh1t. He's an android from a far distant alien race who has only fought Thor sans the hammer in a scenario which naturally favoured him.

When Warlock and Moondragon both say that it's a made up persona by Thor and Odin later claims that it was not WM AND that Valkyrie IS a part of Thor, I think we'll go with that.

Huh?

Originally posted by darthgoober
Thor did have an amp. But if you're now saying that the fight doesn't prove he's more powerful we can focus more on other things and the debate can finally continue.

How can his state of mind in B&T make him more powerful than himself x10 when he's not prone to hold back while in Warrior Madness either?

Sure I did, his Black Hole blast.

The vote doesn't mean anything you silly goose.

Nope.

What? You're making a false distinction between two separate stories between two different writers I would assume.

No, you basically said thi sis all I have and then tried to downplay the godblast. Do you think a surfer made blackhole can run off a weakened Galactus or effect Exitar?

According to you it does. Looks like I have convinced more people than you did thus validating my debating skills.

Explain how the blackhole is more powerful that he has used?

It was not True WM but there is definitely a correlation between the two
"malady".. Check the scan below..

"it would spread to other Asgardian's" Odin relates it to true WM..

Also something to consider; If this was just a bloodlusted/insane Thor,
why would his insanity be infectious? There is more to this insanity than you guys would likely admit, pointing out to something far more than Thor' max physical prowess...

^Exactly. the fact that it would eventually spread like true Warrior madness is a clear indication that thors insanity wasnt at all a regular case. Add that to the fact that those who know thor perceived him as more powerful AND the fact that thor hasnt operated at such a level outside of that arc then the madness amping his strength is not only extremely logical but likely as well.

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xactly..

Originally posted by darthgoober
Are you sure he wasn't trying to kill Warlock the first time around? I mean the guy was in true Warrior Madness and Warlock had kidnapped Sif, it doesn't seem like a situation where Thor would be holding back at all. BRB's obviously has SOME kind of education on the matter since he knew about Warrior Madness in the first place. And the fact that he and Thor are approximately equal in strength would mean that he'd know it if Thor was getting stronger.

Huh?

- I meant that the first time Warlock observed Thor, he was not trying to kill anyone. Hence why Thor would come off as a stronger opponent.
- Warrior Madness is basic asgardian knowledge.

Doesn't the frequent relating of the ailment as not "true warrior's madness" seem to point out that it has some of the characteristics of warrior's madness but missing one or two elements that might make it "true WA"?

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, the comic bent over backwards to tell us when he did in fact have an amp due to the power gem. You are clinging to one statement from BrB and warlock's assertions as if it constitutes as anything but their opinion. When a character says I have never seen him this fast that dpesn't mean amp. This is common sense.

What? You're making a false distinction between two separate stories between two different writers I would assume.

No, you basically said thi sis all I have and then tried to downplay the godblast. Do you think a surfer made blackhole can run off a weakened Galactus or effect Exitar?

According to you it does. Looks like I have convinced more people than you did thus validating my debating skills.

Explain how the blackhole is more powerful that he has used?

You can't escape the simple fact that Warlock said that he was more dangerous in Blood and Thunder than he was while in Warrior Madness. Thor "not holding back" doesn't account for it because he doesn't hold back in Warrior Madness either.

I think that the force necessary to create a black hole as a side effect would be enough to drive off a weakened Galactus sure(he's been beaten by less while weak).

According to me? I never said that the vote matters. I said that the opinion of the onlookers determines who won the debate, but since there's no guarantee that all the onlookers voted or that there was no socking involved in any given poll, the vote's hardly a reflection of the debate at hand.

I never said that the blackhole was more powerful, I've continuously maintained that the two are approximately equal.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
- I meant that the first time Warlock observed Thor, he was not trying to kill anyone. Hence why Thor would come off as a stronger opponent.
- Warrior Madness is basic asgardian knowledge.

there needs to be a: "what exactly is asgardian warrior madness?" thread.

from long ago i was under the impression that it was when an asgardian is basically going berserk during combat and can't snap out of it. they also get an adrenalin boost like some earthly creatures do, but being asgardian, theirs boosts their strength by a factor of ten.

later it was stated to be a brain disease caused from combat, not unlike post traumatic stress disorder.

there are probably more but which is it?

Originally posted by Ambient
It was not True WM but there is definitely a correlation between the two
"malady".. Check the scan below..

"it would spread to other Asgardian's" Odin relates it to true WM..

Also something to consider; If this was just a bloodlusted/insane Thor,
why would his insanity be infectious? There is more to this insanity than you guys would likely admit, pointing out to something far more than Thor' max physical prowess...

What does it possibly being able to spread have to do with amping himself?

Originally posted by Naija boy
^Exactly. the fact that it would eventually spread like true Warrior madness is a clear indication that thors insanity wasnt at all a regular case. Add that to the fact that those who know thor perceived him as more powerful AND the fact that thor hasnt operated at such a level outside of that arc then the madness amping his strength is not only extremely logical but likely as well.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Again, you have your opinion, I have the comic.

You can't escape the simple fact that Warlock said that he was more dangerous in Blood and Thunder than he was while in Warrior Madness. Thor "not holding back" doesn't account for it because he doesn't hold back in Warrior Madness either.

I think that the force necessary to create a black hole as a side effect would be enough to drive off a weakened Galactus sure(he's been beaten by less while weak).

According to me? I never said that the vote matters. I said that the opinion of the onlookers determines who won the debate, but since there's no guarantee that all the onlookers voted or that there was no socking involved in any given poll, the vote's hardly a reflection of the debate at hand.

I never said that the blackhole was more powerful, I've continuously maintained that the two are approximately equal.

Ok, and warlock's opinion is just his opinion. Odin was the one who determined it wasn't true warrior's madness. You are acting as if Warlock's opinion equals fact. When did Warlock say he was ten times as strong as he normally is? When?

Your scenario has never happened. Surfer was easily bested by an extremely weakened Galactus in the devourer arc. Surfer has never driven off a Galactus because he isn't powerful enough to do so. Unless you think he's an absolute moron when lives are on the line? Which is it?

So now the onlookers' opinion doesn't matter because you can't determine who is a sock and who isn't. You are all over the place. The only people on your side are diehard surfer fans. Superman fans and known dc supporters even side with Thor. You are just a sore loser. When I started debating this surfer was winning and thanks to me Thor pulled ahead. Your blackhole argument is fruitless and illogical and is based on speculation. How are they equal? Did you vote for the Surfer?

Godblast wins.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So do I. That's the thing you can just pretend an amp existed when the story actually tells us point blank when one occurred. BrB was incorrect and you want to forget about that.

Ok, and warlock's opinion is just his opinion. Odin was the one who determined it wasn't true warrior's madness. You are acting as if Warlock's opinion equals fact. When did Warlock say he was ten times as strong as he normally is? When?

Your scenario has never happened. Surfer was easily bested by an extremely weakened Galactus in the devourer arc. Surfer has never driven off a Galactus because he isn't powerful enough to do so. Unless you think he's an absolute moron when lives are on the line? Which is it?

So now the onlookers' opinion doesn't matter because you can't determine who is a sock and who isn't. You are all over the place. The only people on your side are diehard surfer fans. Superman fans and known dc supporters even side with Thor. You are just a sore loser. When I started debating this surfer was winning and thanks to me Thor pulled ahead. Your blackhole argument is fruitless and illogical and is based on speculation. How are they equal? Did you vote for the Surfer?

Godblast wins.

And it's uncontested. Point to a statement saying Warlock was wrong in his assessment of Thor's abilities and you'll have a leg to stand on.

Him being driven off by less force than it takes to create a black hole?

Quan if you want to believe that the poll is accurate go for it, that's on you. Like I said the debate is for the onlookers, and just about everyone but you knows that the poll is completely unreliable so I'm not worried about it.

Nope. Against G all Thor did was finish off the job that Ego started in a story where Galactus was portrayed below par anyway(like I said, he was flying around in a hovercraft shooting a cannon at Ego).

Quan and Goob, we have a battlezone forum. Why don't you both settle it there?

Originally posted by Badabing
Quan and Goob, we have a battlezone forum. Why don't you both settle it there?

Originally posted by darthgoober
I already asked him, he doesn't want to do this thread in a BZ. We ARE going to have a standard Thor vs Surfer BZ, but quan wants to wait until October for that.

Originally posted by Badabing
What happens in October?

Originally posted by darthgoober
I'm not sure. I asked him when would be good for him and he said October.

Plus what makes him think he'll last on KMC until October? 😕

biscuits

😛

Originally posted by darthgoober
The story DOES tell us point blank when one occurred, when Thor was drawing strength from his madness.

And it's uncontested. Point to a statement saying Warlock was wrong in his assessment of Thor's abilities and you'll have a leg to stand on.

Him being driven off by less force than it takes to create a black hole?

Quan if you want to believe that the poll is accurate go for it, that's on you. Like I said the debate is for the onlookers, and just about everyone but you knows that the poll is completely unreliable so I'm not worried about it.

Nope. Against G all Thor did was finish off the job that Ego started in a story where Galactus was portrayed below par anyway(like I said, he was flying around in a hovercraft shooting a cannon at Ego).

I don't have to as it's just an opinion.

You don't know that. Thor has driven off the Surfer's master and a celestial that dwarfs Arishem. What has Surfer done with a blackhole?

I just want you to know I inspired more votes and turned the tide.

Surfer couldn't finish the job the ff4, etc. had started against a very weakened Galactus. Thor did. Thor succeeds where the Surfer fails when he pulls out the old godblast. Surfer doesn't have a trump card anywhere near this powerful.