Originally posted by quanchi112But this is Galactus on Surfer. Has the Surfer ever actually launched an all-out blast while a severely weakened Galactus wasn't looking?
In Galactus the devourer, he easily could have crushed the Surfer. He easily expelled him in skaar's run.
Originally posted by Kris BlazeI was giving Thor the benefit of the doubt, that if a godblast could hurt Galactus, a comparable "godshield" (for lack of a better term) could thwart a Galactus bolt. Same power, one being used offensively, the other defensively.
What does the godblast have to do with absorbing an attack?
Originally posted by Mindship
I was giving Thor the benefit of the doubt, that if a godblast could hurt Galactus, a comparable "godshield" (for lack of a better term) could thwart a Galactus bolt. Same power, one being used offensively, the other defensively.
But they are completely different things.
What does channeling your own life-force into an offensive attack have to do with absorbing an attack? All Thor has to do is wish for it to happen and energy gets sucked into Mjolnir. Beta Ray Bill is the only one who's stupid enough to try and shield himself from attacks he could absorb.
Originally posted by Kris BlazeThen I would think the absorbing force would not be as powerful as the godblast, being that Thor doesn't have to muster it up and/or it's a more routine use of power.
But they are completely different things.What does channeling your own life-force into an offensive attack have to do with absorbing an attack? All Thor has to do is wish for it to happen and energy gets sucked into Mjolnir.
Originally posted by quanchi112
No, it isn't. If something isn't exactly the same thing you cannot assume an amp when one was never ever described literally in the story. When Thor was being amped we were told when and it was due to the power gem.When did Warlock say he was amped? Seriously, direct me to this comment. BrB was flat out wrong yet you want to dismiss that. LOL.
He never but did state over Insane Thor being much more stronger and faster than WM Thor (amp).. Insane Thor >>> WM Thor.. Makes no sense if Bloodlusted A is stronger than an amp bloodlusted B less A is amp farther surpassing B therefore not the norm..
Surfer was not being figuratively literal when he said that... 😆
Well we all privy to our own opinion, you got yours and I've got mine and I've got to go to work... Dammnn it.... ololol later
Originally posted by quanchi112
I am reading the story. BrB's opinion isn't factual. We saw despite all his knowledge be proven flat incorrect about warrior madness. I mean come on.When did Warlock say Thor was amping himself?
That's their generalized opinion. If I take someone on years later and say I don't remember them being this vicious or this fast that doesn't translate into they are amped!!!!! Think about it. When does Warlock state he is amped?
Galactus also went through a massive battle against the Surfer in the devourer arc. It seems you want to excuse the surfer's showing which had to do with very similar circumstances. He had a lot of help as well. The belt isn't needed for that kind of power. I have already addressed this. I explained myself so quit crying abou *** already.
Surfer took on a crack addict version of Galactus in the devourer and he was still nothing. That was one of the weaker versions of Galactus out there to boot.
You brought up the onlookers which has to do with the votes. You can't stand the fact I changed the voting.
What relevance does that have? Seriously, you just want to derail this thread further. What has a blackhole ever done powerwise by the surfer to make you believe it's more powerrful or on par with a godblast?
It was a legitimate feat he has performed in the past and didn't amp his power output. That's the kind of power that exists in Thor. Can Surfer shatter his hammer?
Warlock said he was faster and more dangerous than his amped self.
It does if they were amped by a significant amount the first time around.
Just answer the questions quan. Didn't Galactus JUST go through a massive battle and wasn't he portrayed in a subpar manner in the story? How is a feat that REQUIRED the belt relevant in a thread that doesn't feature it?
But was Surfer's situation identical to Thor's, or was Thor's help a massively powerful Elder of the Universe while Surfer's was guys like the Shiar?
Quan the vote doesn't bother me, like I said no one takes them seriously. But cling to it if you want...
It's not the blackhole quan, it's the casual blast that creates one as a side effect. Has Thor ever released so much power with a Godblast that a blackhole was created as a side effect?
This thread is about who's more powerful between Surfer and Thor not "Surfer and Thor w/Belt of Strength wrapped around hammer". I don't know why you're having such a hard time understanding that.
Originally posted by MindshipSo the godblast wouldn't work or have the same effect if Galactus was looking? 😂 😂 😂
But this is Galactus on Surfer. Has the Surfer ever actually launched an all-out blast while a severely weakened Galactus wasn't looking?I was giving Thor the benefit of the doubt, that if a godblast could hurt Galactus, a comparable "godshield" (for lack of a better term) could thwart a Galactus bolt. Same power, one being used offensively, the other defensively.
The Surfer has never demonstrated anything powerful enough to rival a godblast.
Originally posted by AmbientAn amp was never literally described, ever. Warrior's madness was and an amp was actually later described throughout the arc due to the power gem. Do you think the writer purposely wanted to leave the reader in the dark about the first supposed amp while describing the power gem amp.
I would totally agree with you Quan if not for a fact that both condition are quite similar, too similar that even the most profound and all power full being in Asgard knew not the diff.. Its like comparing between a mango to an apple mango, while some people might not consider an apple mango a "True mango"; its taste, texture, sweetness is of a mango. The only diff. between the two is how they where grown and the size.. ( 😆 about mango's) It's alike Thor' insanity in B & T arc, while Odin did not call it the "true warrior madness", yet still refers to this condition a Asgardian madness, a warrior's madness.. You are totally disregarding the symptoms of the insanity its likeness to warriors madness which was pointed out by BRB, stated by Adam, and shown all around the arc..He never but did state over Insane Thor being much more stronger and faster than WM Thor (amp).. Insane Thor >>> WM Thor.. Makes no sense if Bloodlusted A is stronger than an amp bloodlusted B less A is amp farther surpassing B therefore not the norm..
Surfer was not being figuratively literal when he said that... 😆
Well we all privy to our own opinion, you got yours and I've got mine and I've got to go to work... Dammnn it.... ololol later
It wasn't the same thing so despite your accusations any old madness doesn't mean warrior's madness.
If he didn't state it why assume that's what he meant? When writers want to establish an amp they will reveal it just like they did later on in the actual story.
Originally posted by darthgooberBrB's opinion was dead wrong though. So even despite the fact he was wrong about Thor you want to take his other comment at 100 percent factual, why? What proof do you have?
I understand quan, you think that you're a better judge of Thor than BRB is and that you're opinion trumps what is said in the comic. Believe it if you want, like I said that's on you.Warlock said he was faster and more dangerous than his amped self.
It does if they were amped by a significant amount the first time around.
Just answer the questions quan. Didn't Galactus JUST go through a massive battle and wasn't he portrayed in a subpar manner in the story? How is a feat that REQUIRED the belt relevant in a thread that doesn't feature it?
But was Surfer's situation identical to Thor's, or was Thor's help a massively powerful Elder of the Universe while Surfer's was guys like the Shiar?
Quan the vote doesn't bother me, like I said no one takes them seriously. But cling to it if you want...
It's not the blackhole quan, it's the casual blast that creates one as a side effect. Has Thor ever released so much power with a Godblast that a blackhole was created as a side effect?
This thread is about who's more powerful between Surfer and Thor not "Surfer and Thor w/Belt of Strength wrapped around hammer". I don't know why you're having such a hard time understanding that.
Did Warlock ever state he was amped? Do you think blood and thunder madness increases your speed?
It's a general recollection is all. They never state he is ten times as strong as usual. Do they?
He was in the same condition if not worse in Galactus the devourer. Surer has always been insignificant to Odin and Galactus. Thor's power scared off Galactus while Surfer's never has. Fact.
The belt doesn't amp his power thus allowing it.
Surfer had the help of the ff4, etc. while Galactus was basically a weakened drug addict in the story. The story made more of a point to illuminate the sheer weakness of Galactus than the Thor arc imo.
You brought it up and I am just pointing out the vote changed when I pressed you.
That doesn't prove anything. Has Surfer's blast ever scared off a weakened Galactus? Did the Surfer's blast beat Thor or even harm Odin? Nope. Quit overexagerrating his power.
The belt isn't increasing his power level making it a valid feat. Do you concede that that particular blast is more powerful than anything the Surfer can bring to the table?
Originally posted by quanchi112
BrB's opinion was dead wrong though. So even despite the fact he was wrong about Thor you want to take his other comment at 100 percent factual, why? What proof do you have?Did Warlock ever state he was amped? Do you think blood and thunder madness increases your speed?
It's a general recollection is all. They never state he is ten times as strong as usual. Do they?
He was in the same condition if not worse in Galactus the devourer. Surer has always been insignificant to Odin and Galactus. Thor's power scared off Galactus while Surfer's never has. Fact.
The belt doesn't amp his power thus allowing it.
Surfer had the help of the ff4, etc. while Galactus was basically a weakened drug addict in the story. The story made more of a point to illuminate the sheer weakness of Galactus than the Thor arc imo.
You brought it up and I am just pointing out the vote changed when I pressed you.
That doesn't prove anything. Has Surfer's blast ever scared off a weakened Galactus? Did the Surfer's blast beat Thor or even harm Odin? Nope. Quit overexagerrating his power.
The belt isn't increasing his power level making it a valid feat. Do you concede that that particular blast is more powerful than anything the Surfer can bring to the table?
He said that Thor was more faster and more dangerous than he was while amped by Warrior Madness. If you can't connect the dots there then that's another thing that'll just have to be on you.
He said that Thor was more faster and more dangerous than he was while amped by Warrior Madness. If you can't connect the dots there then that's another thing that'll just have to be on you.
Just answer the questions quan. Didn't Galactus JUST go through a massive battle and wasn't he portrayed in a subpar manner in the story? How is a feat that REQUIRED the belt relevant in a thread that doesn't feature it?
Not if he doesn't have access to it for the purposes of this thread. If you want to allow the feat, you'll have to make a "Who is more powerful, Thor w/Belt of Strength wrapped around Hammer or the Silver Surfer" thread. It's just that simple.
But was Surfer's situation identical to Thor's, or was Thor's help a massively powerful Elder of the Universe while Surfer's was guys like the Shiar and the FF?
I wouldn't know, I was never actually paying attention to the vote.
Neither does your example. Unless Thor has at some point expelled so much energy that a black hole formed as a side effect, you can't say with any definitive certainty that Thor's output is higher since Thor's never actually shown the ability to match Surfer's feat.
You're asking if Thor can use the Belt of Strength to create a blast more powerful than Surfer? Probably. Hard to say definitively though since no black hole formed as a side effect from that blast either.
I’ve been reading through this particular thread, and I’m finding some statements somewhat baseless to an extent. Skimming through, “Blood and Thunder” it’s pretty clear to me that Thor had no amp at all until he received the Power Gem and Thanos placed him in that containment field. Before that, no indication of an amp was given at all, besides that statement made by Beta Ray Bill, who was ignorant of the condition Thor was in.
He thought Thor was under the Warrior Madness, so of course he would believe Thor was drawing strength from the madness, as that is a side effect of the madness. His believed it so much, that he went and attacked the Infinity Watch and so on. Of course Beta Ray Bill would have come to the conclusion that it was Warrior Madness. Thor an Asgardian god, suddenly succumbs to raving like a lunatic, and starts hallucinating. Someone like Thor doesn’t succumb to normal illnesses and such. What other possible conclusion could Beta Ray Bill come to besides that one, based on his limited observation and limited knowledge of Thor’s condition? The simple fact is that, this statement was made under false knowledge and ignorance. To argue that Thor had an amp based on that is like I said, rather baseless.
Another argument I have come across is Adam Warlock’s statement. He said Thor seemed quicker than he remembered and seemed more dangerous. First of all, memory is subjugated to doubt and so on. At best, what you can get from this statement is that Thor got an amp in speed which in itself is a stretch.
Like he said, Thor was more dangerous. If anyone had read the first fight, they would know that all they had was a brawl. They went toe to toe using nothing more than their fists. Here the moment Thor starts unleashing his godly powers, and using energy attacks, Adam Warlock comes to the conclusion that Thor is more dangerous than he remembered. Which is logical, as “Raw Power > Raw Strength”, is the case in most of these cosmic battles. All Thor did was throw punches, in their first fight as I recall. Here Thor did much more than that. He started unleashing his true power and went beyond simple raw strength.
Adam Warlock also goes on to state in this fight that Thor is not be the unstoppable fighting machine that fear and distant memory causes his mind’s eye to perceive, which highlights the fact that memories are subjugated to change and so on which I previously stated. He states that fear and time could have warped his perception of Thor on top of everything else.
Again, to come to the conclusion that Thor was amped based on a statement that is made when one character is in ignorance, and another statement based on uncertainty, and is contradicted to an extent by the same character, is somewhat baseless.
Originally posted by quanchi112
So the godblast wouldn't work or have the same effect if Galactus was looking? 😂 😂 😂
My point is this: Thor had the opportunity to strike at a severely weakened Galactus when Galactus was not expecting such an attack. My question remains: Has the Surfer ever done the same thing (maybe he has, IDK)? Has the Surfer ever hit a severely weakened Galactus with an all-out blast when Galactus was not expecting such an attack? Unless he has, then we don't have a direct comparison, only supposition.
In effect, it seems as if you're comparing Thor's one-time going all-out against Galactus to Surfer's always (?) holding back against Galactus.
The Surfer has never demonstrated anything powerful enough to rival a godblast.I gave you real number values for creating a black hole using pure energy, requiring some 10x the power of the most powerful explosion known, second only to the Big Bang.
Originally posted by darthgoober
When was this universe shaking blast? Surfer's also overpowered Mephisto, which is likely just as impressive as the second feat.
What's so impressive about overpowering Mephisto? Thor did it after beating his own friends and defeating the entire legions of hell, that's fighting for hours.
Originally posted by quanchi112
An amp was never literally described, ever. Warrior's madness was and an amp was actually later described throughout the arc due to the power gem. Do you think the writer purposely wanted to leave the reader in the dark about the first supposed amp while describing the power gem amp.
If you really wanna get technical, the only time Thor being narrated as amp was when he was imprisoned in the solidified forcefield, the rest his done so without amp (not specified) and that would incl. his fight against Thanos... That is stretching a lot, less your saying his = < Thanos, consider his back to back fight against Brb/Surfer/Warlock/Infinity Watch/Strange and Thanos couldn't put him down.. There is also no indication or as you put it "literally describe" that Thor was only bloodlusted in this arc while we have few indications to our points..
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Like he said, Thor was more dangerous. If anyone had read the first fight, they would know that all they had was a brawl. They went toe to toe using nothing more than their fists. Here the moment Thor starts unleashing his godly powers, and using energy attacks, Adam Warlock comes to the conclusion that Thor is more dangerous than he remembered. Which is logical, as “Raw Power > Raw Strength”, is the case in most of these cosmic battles. All Thor did was throw punches, in their first fight as I recall. Here Thor did much more than that. He started unleashing his true power and went beyond simple raw strength.
