Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Goob, it might be that Mjolnir is simply a better conduit for channelling greater parts of the unlimited energy source at a time.Both have an edge on their own in battles. Thor has much experience and the proper attitude, but Surfer's power cosmic just seems easier to use, you know? It just seems that firing off energy blasts and all that jazz is so much simpler and handier when it comes straight out of your hands.
In this scenario I imagine that they are both trying to unload on a training dummy or something. I would give Thor the edge because of a couple of things. First barring Godblast, none of Thor's attack require anything of him other than to direct Mjolnir. Second I believe that Mjolnir is simply able to put out more than Norrin.
Originally posted by Mindship
I think I see what you're saying: you're weighing specifics (ie, a cosmic field vs hammer-return enchantment, in which case the latter is more powerful) against a general overview (Power Cosmic output vs Mjolnir output, in which case they are about equal). Is that right? I had never really thought about it that way, in which case you may have a point but that also might be splitting hairs.
Originally posted by Mindship
I suppose I'm trying to give Mjolnir its due, ie, it is (arguably) the most powerful Asgardian artifact going. If it is able to generate more sheer wattage, the significant drawback is that it is, in fact, an artifact requiring a wielder. In a sense, Thor is the "weak link" in the Thor-Mjolnir dyad, which for me nicely balances out the fact that the Surfer may not (???) be able to generate quite the same level of brute force, but on the other hand, Surfer is a self-contained power unit with no such tactical weakness.(I'm also thinking of when Thor repulsed Galactus: a weakened one, true, and I still don't like that he did it; but was the Surfer ever capable of such a feat? I'm not sure, eg, if channeling Crunch energies would be the same as generating such energies).
Originally posted by leonidas
so, what are each others' greatest feats? you can't seperate thor/mjollnir. they're one entity, essentially, and need to be for this discussion to mean anything.so, best single feat of each? i have a couple in mind for both, but am curious what others think.
Best feats? I'd say Thor ending the cycle of Ragnarok. Surfer creating blackholes and reacting in less than a nanosecond(?)
Originally posted by occultdestroyer
I agree. Mjolnir is a part of Thor as the board is a part of Surfer.Best feats? I'd say Thor ending the cycle of Ragnarok. Surfer creating blackholes and reacting in less than a nanosecond(?)
Couple of things....
Thor did not create Mjolnir and it is not made out of the same substance he is. The board does not empower Surfer and he can recreate it at any time. They are not similar in any way actually 😄
That was Rune King Thor and it was so much more impressive than creating black holes or reacting, which are not the Surfer's best feats.
Okay, to compare who is more "powerful" (which is a pretty ambiguous term) i think wed have to compare them in different aspects and weigh the different advantages they have over each other. So ill start with POWER OUTPUT:
-Thors best power output showings-would have to be from his Godblasti. against galactus,Exitar,Dark Gods. Then aside those, his showing againt durok which wasnt a godblast was also extremely imprdessive
-Surfers best output feats would have to be his surpassong mephistos output in his own dimension and Creating a blackhole casually with his output in annnihilation. Aside that we also have him apparently almost felling thor with a warning blast by thors own admission.
In this area they are prety even with the Godblast giving thor the edge.
ENERGY ABSORPTION:
-Thors best absorption feat i think woould be his absorption of the galaxy wrecking nullbomb.
-Surfers best absorption feat i think would be the absorption of souls in the unilord saga. But that did have some circumstance surrounding it
In this area definitely advantage thor
ENERGY/MATTER MANIPULATION:
-THors best energy/matter manip feat is probably his shrinking of Hyperion to the size of an ant.
-Surfers got a whole lot of feats here ,his evolution of a planet by billions of years, trasnmuting the deviant lord ghaur from bacteria to his bodily form,converting a universes worth of psychic/soul energy into cosmic energy,channeling the crunch,sealing away the oldpower, synthesizing the odinforce etc. All extremely extremely impressive
Definitely advantage surfer here.
Further in regards to the numerous other esoteric capabilities (which are ttoo many to name) both have. Surfer also has the advantage as he has a wider range of abilities than thor does.
Physically they are also dead even with surfer having the advantage in durability and speed and with thor having the advantage in strength and fighting skills.
Therefore when we compare advantages and feats they are still pretty even imo with no real clear cut winner.
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
I stopped at Godblast being a "slight edge" and started laughing uncontrollably.Then I paused the laughing and forced my way down to energy/matter manipulation, at which the laughing ceased completely and facepalming began.
which means thaat u are either blind,retarded or cant even read in the first place. where did u see "slight" in my post?
Also u think thors has the advantage over surfer in regards to energy/maatter manip?.......then u answered my question, u are definitely retarded.
Originally posted by darthgooberI'm not saying the Surfer can't lay down the law from time to time, but deep down in there is that same pacifist. He is Galactus's lackey as well.
That's no different than ANY hero. Is Captain America a pacifist? Heroes try to talk people down when they think there's a chance of it working, that's just what heroes do. They only jump right into conflict when they know there's no other alternative or when they have history with the person they're fighting.Even before Annihilation, you can look to things like his fight with Cable(who was pleading for peace with the Surfer I believe) or this little encounter...
...to see that Surfer's no tree hugger when the shit hits the fan.
Surfer never had the spine that Thor did. Thor took on Exitar and refused to give up. The guy has the mentality and the power to do these things while Surfer holds back too often imo.
Look at the Surfer against Skaar and against the Hulk. When you look at Thor he foams at the mouth in a fight and actually has thrown his hammer away just to prove he doesn't need it to beat the Hulk.
Oh yeah, Thor is more powerful.
Under their own power.
Energy Output. As in if both where muster up their best energy attack. Thor’s God Blast would out gun the Surfers best.
Striking power. As in who can generate, the greater blunt force. - Thor
Energy Manipulation. In general, let it be matter manipulating, absorbing, or channeling energy. Surfer edges out.
Originally posted by Naija boy
which means thaat u are either blind,retarded or cant even read in the first place. where did u see "slight" in my post?Also u think thors has the advantage over surfer in regards to energy/maatter manip?.......then u answered my question, u are definitely retarded.
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
YouTube video
LMAO. Really kris......pitiful.
lack of debating skills FTL.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I'm not saying the Surfer can't lay down the law from time to time, but deep down in there is that same pacifist. He is Galactus's lackey as well.Surfer never had the spine that Thor did. Thor took on Exitar and refused to give up. The guy has the mentality and the power to do these things while Surfer holds back too often imo.
Look at the Surfer against Skaar and against the Hulk. When you look at Thor he foams at the mouth in a fight and actually has thrown his hammer away just to prove he doesn't need it to beat the Hulk.
Oh yeah, Thor is more powerful.
