Kenobi wasn't a Soresu practitioner here, and wasn't as experienced as his later self (duh). He beat Maul through circumstance and taking advantage of Maul's arrogance. And he was only competing with Maul on the Zabrak's level momentarily while tapping his rage. I can definitely see him losing this.
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Kenobi wasn't a Soresu practitioner here, and wasn't as experienced as his later self (duh). He beat Maul through circumstance and taking advantage of Maul's arrogance. And he was only competing with Maul on the Zabrak's level momentarily while tapping his rage. I can definitely see him losing this.
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Kenobi wasn't a Soresu practitioner here, and wasn't as experienced as his later self (duh). He beat Maul through circumstance and taking advantage of Maul's arrogance. And he was only competing with Maul on the Zabrak's level momentarily while tapping his rage. I can definitely see him losing this.
Through circumstance? You make it sound like it's some sort of an unfair victory. Maul failed to defeat Kenobi due to a personal weakness.
Also, Kenobi contended with Maul and defeated him. Mighella is a hell of a lot weaker than Maul. Kenobi would destroy Mighella. She's outclassed here.
Don't believe me? Skip to 3:30 in this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPLXwrj7i7Q
For a considerable time in that fight, when Kenobi and Maul duel alone, Kenobi seemingly has the upper hand. He goes as far as splitting Maul's lightsaber and putting him to the ground. He was pushing him back. Maul had to intervene with the force in order to subdue Kenobi. We never see any glaring difference between the two and their lightsaber skills.
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Kenobi wasn't a Soresu practitioner here, and wasn't as experienced as his later self (duh). He beat Maul through circumstance and taking advantage of Maul's arrogance. And he was only competing with Maul on the Zabrak's level momentarily while tapping his rage. I can definitely see him losing this.
This "circumstance", meaning he went on the offensive and capitalized on Maul's arrogance. His victory was no fluke. And Maul's fight with Mighella was hilarious. Kenobi would win this rather easily.
Originally posted by bane's heart
the circumstance meaning, while maul was toying with him, he was able to take his masters lightsaber and cut him in half, i would presume. It was a fluke
That fellow must be accident prone.
Originally posted by GenesisYou misinterpreted me. I said Kenobi contended with Maul "on the Zabrak's level." But that was while he was tapping his rage. Maul then proceeded to Force push him over the side. If Maul hadn't been arrogant and overconfident, he could have "killed" Kenobi. But Kenobi capitalized on Maul's stupidity had killed him in turn. Kenobi did NOT defeat Maul in combat, as Maul did to Qui-Gon, he defeated him via clever use of the Force and being opportunistic.
Through circumstance? You make it sound like it's some sort of an unfair victory. Maul failed to defeat Kenobi due to a personal weakness.Also, Kenobi contended with Maul and defeated him. Mighella is a hell of a lot weaker than Maul. Kenobi would destroy Mighella. She's outclassed here.
Don't believe me? Skip to 3:30 in this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPLXwrj7i7Q
For a considerable time in that fight, when Kenobi and Maul duel alone, Kenobi seemingly has the upper hand. He goes as far as splitting Maul's lightsaber and putting him to the ground. He was pushing him back. Maul had to intervene with the force in order to subdue Kenobi. We never see any glaring difference between the two and their lightsaber skills.
Saying Kenobi legitimately defeated Maul in single combat is like saying Palpatine defeated Plagueis in single combat. One got the jump on the other while his guard was down, and one got the jump on the other while his guard was down.
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
You misinterpreted me. I said Kenobi contended with Maul "on the Zabrak's level." But that was while he was tapping his rage. Maul then proceeded to Force push him over the side. If Maul hadn't been arrogant and overconfident, he could have "killed" Kenobi. But Kenobi capitalized on Maul's stupidity had killed him in turn. Kenobi did NOT defeat Maul in combat, as Maul did to Qui-Gon, he defeated him via clever use of the Force and being opportunistic.
Saying Kenobi legitimately defeated Maul in single combat is like saying Palpatine defeated Plagueis in single combat. One got the jump on the other while his guard was down, and one got the jump on the other while his guard was down.[/quote]
GenesisRelative to a strict one vs. one match as we'd have it here, yes. He had Qui-Gon Jinn, a Jedi Master and legendary swordsman, fighting alongside him - or for him - at almost every step of the way. After being outmatched the entire duel even with Jinn's assistance he takes on Maul alone and gets thrown into a pit.
Through circumstance?
GenesisIt isn't "unfair," it just isn't really relevant to the Versus forum. Anakin crippled Mace Windu, Han Solo killed the Emperor. Surely you won't argue those as legitimate victories here, because the "victor" in those situations didn't actually defeat anyone in personal combat.
You make it sound like it's some sort of an unfair victory.
GenesisOne that we don't take into account here. No CIS.
Maul failed to defeat Kenobi due to a personal weakness.
GenesisNonsense. I suggest you skip to 4:07 in the video posted and watch very closely as Maul throws Obi-Wan over the side of a pit, where the Padawan proceeds to hang on for dear life, completely at Maul's mercy.
Also, Kenobi contended with Maul and defeated him.
GenesisSo is Obi-Wan.
Mighella is a hell of a lot weaker than Maul.
GenesisProve it.
Kenobi would destroy Mighella. She's outclassed here.
GenesisThis is when he is tapping into his rage, enhancing his abilities with the dark side. The NEC makes it clear, through Obi-Wan's own testimonial, that Maul took advantage of this by feeding off of his hatred.
Don't believe me? Skip to 3:30 in this video:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPLXwrj7i7Q
For a considerable time in that fight, when Kenobi and Maul duel alone, Kenobi seemingly has the upper hand. He goes as far as splitting Maul's lightsaber and putting him to the ground. He was pushing him back.
GenesisObi-Wan and Qui-Gon together couldn't beat Maul. Qui-Gon alone couldn't beat him, Obi-Wan alone - even with the added advantage of his rage - couldn't beat him.
Maul had to intervene with the force in order to subdue Kenobi. We never see any glaring difference between the two and their lightsaber skills.
That's enough for me.
Originally posted by Eminence
It isn't "unfair," it just isn't really relevant to the Versus forum. Anakin crippled Mace Windu, Han Solo killed the Emperor. Surely you won't argue those as legitimate victories here, because the "victor" in those situations didn't actually defeat anyone in personal combat.
One that we don't take into account here. No CIS.
Nonsense. I suggest you skip to 4:07 in the video posted and watch very closely as Maul throws Obi-Wan over the side of a pit, where the Padawan proceeds to hang on for dear life, completely at Maul's mercy.
So is Obi-Wan.
Prove it.
This is when he is tapping into his rage, enhancing his abilities with the dark side. The NEC makes it clear, through Obi-Wan's own testimonial, that Maul took advantage of this by feeding off of his hatred.
Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon together couldn't beat Maul. Qui-Gon alone couldn't beat him, Obi-Wan alone - even with the added advantage of his rage - couldn't beat him.