Mighella vs. Obi-Wan Kenobi (TPM)

Started by Borbarad6 pages
Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
Great, perhaps you'll be able to drop the prepubsecent, self esteem related superiority complex, stop bitching, and make some valid points.

You probably want to follow that wise advice yourself...


This doesn't include "this is true because I say so". Some things to consider while you're undoubtedly trying to increase your internet popularity:

Urm. Have you even read one of his postings? Apparently not. Or you are unable to comprehend them. Both of that options wouldn't surprise me.


1. Explaining how Maul force pushing Obiwan constitutes as a victory in a light saber duel.

Explain how arguing semantics does help your case. There is no seperation of "lightsaber duel" and "force duel" in the magnificient realms of Star Wars. But, as it just has been explained for a 100,000 times, I'm sure you didn't have the opportunity to catch up with the rest of the community on that point... 🙄


2. Explaining why force pushing Obiwan is alright, but Obiwan capitalizing on Maul's arrogance is just plain luck.

Is this coming from the same person who lecture Advent on "circumstances" not so long in the past? Wow. You may want to realize, that Maul did defeat Kenobi, fair and square, on equal ground. Once having realized that, you could arrive at the conclusion that Maul can just "toy" with an already defeated opponent, when the situation [hint: the circumstances] allow him to disarm his opponent and have him at a position, where said opponent is at his mercy.

This could / would happen in any given situation how exactly? Right. It won't and it can't. In any normal situation, Maul would simply kill Kenobi. End of story.


3. Why convincing yourself is going to help you sleep better at night.

I'm fairly sure that, if anyone here can give us an answer to that question, it's yourself.


4. Getting the source material before trying to debate.

And this from Darth "I've never touched a single original SW source" Sexy, who has precisely two sources of knowledge reagarding the SWU: this forum and Woookiepedia. You're clearly the one to talk here. 🙄

[DS]I was waiting for when you were going to have one of your pseudo intellectuals from EOD back you up. What's the matter faunus, confidence shaken?[/DS]

Originally posted by Eminence
[DS]I was waiting for when you were going to have one of your pseudo intellectuals from EOD back you up. What's the matter faunus, confidence shaken?[/DS]
i dont have to mention that faunus. You usually need backup to prevent yourself from whining like a schoolgirl. i love the continuous tdtd references though. i thought after you were ignored and virtually ridiculed, you'd stop peddling that nonsense but you're a persistent one. And Nai you are definitely the king of baseless assertions. But if we were to go by your logic, i used my psychic powers to post the quote for faunus. Way too funny.

Well technically the quotes were actually posted on these forums and I wouldn't say it would be completely out of the realm of possibility for the quotes to exist on wookiepedia.

Originally posted by OOBAEW
Well technically the quotes were actually posted on these forums and I wouldn't say it would be completely out of the realm of possibility for the quotes to exist on wookiepedia.
in that case faunus would have gotten them himself. Nai isn't too bright.

Did he respond to Nebaris?!

I should report this.

Originally posted by Eminence
Did he respond to Nebaris?!

I should report this.

i had no idea that was nebaris. But while reporting me make sure you tell them you still think that im tdtd so they can instruct me to ignore you again

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
And Nai you are definitely the king of baseless assertions. But if we were to go by your logic, i used my psychic powers to post the quote for faunus. Way too funny.

Urm. Excuse me.
In the years of dealing with you here, you have shown a - let me express it in a kind fashion - peerless unfamiliarity with most sources, mostly relying on stuff other people posted here (if even that) in order to "debate". This is, maybe, the reason why almost anybody here has pointed out your lack of knowledge regarding the SWU - at times.

In the present case, one might just notice your ignorance towards the source material and your absolute inability to use logical reasoning. So, just to repeat: A thought of Obi-Wan himself, a "feeling", as he descripes is, does represent a higher authority than a third person narrator (TPM novel) and, of course, the movie itself. The first stating that Maul was, basically, in control of the entire fight, and a better swordsman in comparison to both Jedi, while the latter not exactly showing the Sith Lord on the brink of defeat, correct?

This, especially, when we have the same Obi-Wan in the same source telling us that he couldn't sense the approaching Sith Lord on Tatooine, that Qui-Gon was "winded" after his brief encounter with Maul on the desert planet and that he, himself, could only hold on to the Sith for a brief time using his anger and exhausting himself with that, while Maul "fed" on that fury to become even stronger?

Even if one would accept that kind of "reasoning" - and I, personally, won't - this doesn't change the fact, that Maul himself is a superior combatant to Kenobi, who did just benefit from the circumstances - and yes: BY FAR SUPERIOR. We all have realized that you can't - and therefore don't even try to - argue this point. Trying to shift the attention away from this crucial fact also doesn't help your case.

So, just to repeat it: Maul > Obi-Wan

From this point, you may want to draw any conclusion to a speculative fight between Kenobi and Mighella. Oh. Wait. How do you manage to do that?

So because a trained Sith Lord, who has even been noted to have been one of the best Sith apprentices ever trained and descriped as "perfect weapon" by his master, can "ignore" force lightning and defeat Mighella by destroying her weapon, a Jedi padawan will be able to do the same? Just because the Padawan by luck and benefiting from the circumstances (or plain and simply put: CIS) survived his confrontation with Maul?

That's an astonishing line of thought, especially when we consider all those Jedi [Masters] who have shown precisely zero defense against the force lightning ability. Yet the - comparably - inexperienced Kenobi should be able to do so? The same Kenobi that, as you have pointed out yourself multiple times here, was inable to defend himself against a freaking force push? This guy should be able to do what Maul did, when - as Mighella noted just before her death - Maul could only do so because of being what he was - a Sith Lord. 🙄

Really. You should stop thinking that Mighella was some kind of push-over. She held Maul up rather long in saber combat (which is alone worth noticing, if we take into consideration that the Sith casually destroyed Jedi before), until her blade was destroyed and then did again stop him for some seconds using her force lightning. This all performed against a being that, by Obi-Wan's own admission, was far more skilled and powerful than himself, even to such an extend that Kenobi, using his anger and completely exhausting himself, couldn't overpower this opponent.

So, while I'm fairly sure that Kenobi could outduell Mighella with a lightsaber, I'm not too confidend that he would be able to shake off one of her force lightning attacks. He may win, though. But to state that Padawan Kenobi would "own" or "easily defeat" her, when Maul himself encountered some trouble facing the Nightsister, is - by all accounts - nonsensical.


in that case faunus would have gotten them himself. Nai isn't too bright.

Wow. The same Faunus who quoted from the very same source in his argument - even the same page, the same description of the fight from Obi-Wan? Uh-hu. Maybe he just wanted you to prove your assertion? But I'm glad that I am not too bright, oh great genius. 🙄

Nai im no longer convincee that your stupidity has anything to do with a language barrier. I just dont think you bother to read posts anymore which explains your outlandish accusations such as me not having source material(Ive made you look like a fool concerning this on several occasions) and the fact that you think that i've ever contended Maul NOT being superior to Obiwan. Get some spectacles and read posts and people might actually start taking you seriously. Btw i dont know how you could possibly think I dont have source material since i frequently post quotes you will only find in source material. Oops there goes common sense flying over your head.

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
Nai im no longer convincee that your stupidity has anything to do with a language barrier. I just dont think you bother to read posts anymore which explains your outlandish accusations such as me not having source material(Ive made you look like a fool concerning this on several occasions) and the fact that you think that i've ever contended Maul NOT being superior to Obiwan. Get some spectacles and read posts and people might actually start taking you seriously. Btw i dont know how you could possibly think I dont have source material since i frequently post quotes you will only find in source material. Oops there goes common sense flying over your head.

I once found your ignorance amusing, because making a fool out of you was cheap entertainment. Now, I find it plain and simply annoying. You can now and run off to find some posts where you "made me look like a fool" or some of the - I'm sure - gazillions of postings, where you provided quotes from the original source material, instead of pointing a finger to Lightsnake or Gideon, telling people "They have the quote!"

When you're done with that, you may want to read my post instead of boring me to death with your futile trolling attempts. I may, just again, point out the "line of thought" you have used here:

1) Obi-Wan is not by far inferior to Maul.
2) Maul did easily defeat Mighella.
3) Conclusion: Obi-Wan must be able to do the same.

This appears to be the basic line of assumptions you're operating under, because otherwise, none of your postings make sense. Now guess what: Premise "1" was proven wrong by Faunus; premise "2" is utter nonsense if we take a look at the original source. What does that tell us about your conclusion?

And before you grace me with one of your hilarious attempts to point out a logical fallacy here [hint: straw man], I may just point out that this appears to be your line of thought. Which might explain why you didn't even try to defeat my argument but, instead, tried to bait me, acting your roll as pathetic troll. This not only shows your omnipresent incapability in bringing forward / countering arguments, but also proves your true nature as the trolling and socking nobody that you are. "Oops", indeed..

Ah so instead of admitting you are known to make baseless assertions you claim i'm engaging in a strawman fallacy when i respond to said assertions. Truly hilarious nevermind the fact that its easy to respond o BS and takes time to respond to an actual argument. You can also go ahead and prove i dont have source material since you are the only one ever making this contention. Thanks for once again being the KMC comic relief Nai.

DS, he didn't say that you would be making the strawman fallacy, but that you would accuse him of doing so. See this line?

And before you grace me with one of your hilarious attempts to point out a logical fallacy here [hint: straw man], I may just point out that this appears to be your line of thought.

That bolded part implies that the topic at hand is Nai's presentation of your argument rather than his argument itself. So your post is either a deliberate dodge or a harmless misunderstanding. Care to try again?

[Don't you have a rebuttal to be failing to make?]

yea im on my phone so i didN'T see that. Im not dodging just responding to easy points until i get back to my pc. And i will respond to our debate I just thought you were at fat camp.

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
yea im on my phone so i didN'T see that. Im not dodging just responding to easy points until i get back to my pc. And i will respond to our debate I just thought you were at fat camp.

You know, I admitted defeat earlier in this thread because I was in the wrong. Is it so difficult for you to do the same?

depends on what to admit exactly? I know Maul is superior to Obiwan but this is Mighella vs. Obiwan.

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
yea im on my phone so i didN'T see that. Im not dodging just responding to easy points until i get back to my pc. And i will respond to our debate I just thought you were at fat camp.

Nerd camp 'till 2day, real camp 2moro.

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
I know Maul is superior to Obiwan
He admitted it. Halt the presses.

where did i ever deny it or argue he wasn't lol? Go ahead and show me.

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
where did i ever deny it or argue he wasn't lol? Go ahead and show me.
Someone's a little obsessed *COUGH* desperate for victory *HACKING COUGH* competitive.

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
where did i ever deny it or argue he wasn't lol? Go ahead and show me.

You argued that Maul can't be by far superior in comparison to Obi-Wan, when the latter basically admits this by stating that, even when utilizing his anger against the Sith Lord, he was just exhausting himself while Maul was getting stronger. This makes it pretty clear that Maul was by far superior to Kenobi.

After admiting you were wrong there, you just have to re-evaluate the strength of Mighella, who obviously is a better combatant than you gave her credit for. Considering the fact that she managed to hold Maul up for a nice period of time via saber combat (until her inferior weapon was destroyed by prolonged contact with a lightsaber - which hints that the fight wasn't short). And with her force lightning, a force attack that TPM Kenobi, to our knowledge, has no defense against, unless you want to suggest that his Dark Side knowledge equals that of Darth Maul.

Easy enough?