Originally posted by Phanteros
1. Kaintard
2. Pig teleports
3. Time stop
4. shield is a no limit fallacy
If the pig teleports then it ****s up its cast time and has to start again...so by all means...the pig will teleport until it appears again and Kains speed kills him or the pig is ripped from range.
Time stop? yes I guess Kain could time stop the pig as well with his or its spell.
No not at all...it repels magic, thats what it does...point out the no limit? although in canon it is indeed infnite.
Go and read up on Kain dear fellow and then read up on this pig, it takes too long to do any of its powers.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Show me his strength feats.Your assuming again, their shadow beings, your inventing things e.g. them having a physical form.
Kains blade passes through the pigs light form like air and takes its soul on the way through, then it drops as a corpse on the floor or dissolves.
As I told you already, repel will stop any spell touching Kain, so even if you take Kains soul powers away from him and ignore feats of kains sword destroying shadow beings which your bound to he does not get touched at all by the pig or its powers.
Like you said, he manhandles these pigs. The Earth Pig is actually incredibly large. I'll have to find a video.
He wields his Blackjack like its a plaything, so we know he's not weak.
And no, I'm not assuming anything. For them to do any kind of damage at all, they have to have a physical form. Same for light beings.
No.
Okay, then to get around repel, the pig freezes the entire world.
Actually I'm wondering something. It was stated that the last Evil Pig created the first five. So he could just create more pigs and have those attack Kain. That'd be cool.
I think we'll just stick with the Time stopping thing then. Where does everyone thing the Kain statue would look the best at? Me, I'm thinking Central Park in NYC.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Like you said, he manhandles these pigs. The Earth Pig is actually incredibly large. I'll have to find a video.He wields his Blackjack like its a plaything, so we know he's not weak.
And no, I'm not assuming anything. For them to do any kind of damage at all, they have to have a physical form. Same for light beings.
No.
Okay, then to get around repel, the pig freezes the entire world.
Actually I'm wondering something. It was stated that the last Evil Pig created the first five. So he could just create more pigs and have those attack Kain. That'd be cool.
I think we'll just stick with the Time stopping thing then. Where does everyone thing the Kain statue would look the best at? Me, I'm thinking Central Park in NYC.
Yes you will....although the pig could still be light, you can make an incredibly large air balloon if you wanted to but it would still be light.
No your assuming and inventing, its never stated that they would have to be physical to do damage, you are confused between the real world and a fictional one, and in the LOK, these shadow beings can hit Kain.
It does not get around anything, it just ends up with the same thing it did to Tomba only it freezes itself as well since its not shown to be able to ignore a target, and ofc Kain is faster, stronger and overall ridiculously more powerful than Tomba, so its screwed.
Originally posted by Phanteros
1. Pig stops time
2. teleports
3. Kaintard
4. Soul sweep isn't instant
1. Not in the 10 seconds its got unfortunatley. Unless Kain allows it to freeze itself.
4. Kain just has to swipe the sword through the pig, so no its not instant but to the pigs reactions it would be and far faster than 10 seconds. Kains ranged version is just a gesture so no, thats not instant either but it may as well be.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Yes you will....although the pig could still be light, you can make an incredibly large air balloon if you wanted to but it would still be light.No your assuming and inventing, its never stated that they would have to be physical to do damage, you are confused between the real world and a fictional one, and in the LOK, these shadow beings can hit Kain.
It does not get around anything, it just ends up with the same thing it did to Tomba only it freezes itself as well since its not shown to be able to ignore a target, and ofc Kain is faster, stronger and overall ridiculously more powerful than Tomba, so its screwed.
Here ya go: I think he even states that the pigs bodies are 78% fat or something. And just look at the size of him, he's huge. He starts talking at 4.49
Yeah. That is a huge ass pig. It's the size of a full grown male in that game in addition to being much wider than a male of that size, and is 78 percent fat. You can imagine how much it weighs.
Kain's a pretty big weakling if he can get punched by a shadow and be hurt. But yes, they can hurt Kain, because they have a physical form. The fictional worlds created in games use real world concepts. Like "a shadow can't hurt you normally because it doesn't have a physical form."
That repel shield does sound like a no limits fallacy. So if Kain can have that, I think that means the pig has to be thrown into his pig bag.
Edit: Actually, looking at a couple of NPCs in that game, rather large ones too, that pig is the largest NPC in the entire game. Except for maybe the Ghost Guardian of the Forest.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Here ya go: I think he even states that the pigs bodies are 78% fat or something. And just look at the size of him, he's huge. He starts talking at 4.49Yeah. That is a huge ass pig. It's the size of a full grown male in that game in addition to being much wider than a male of that size, and is 78 percent fat. You can imagine how much it weighs.
Kain's a pretty big weakling if he can get punched by a shadow and be hurt. But yes, they can hurt Kain, because they have a physical form. The fictional worlds created in games use real world concepts. Like "a shadow can't hurt you normally because it doesn't have a physical form."
That repel shield does sound like a no limits fallacy. So if Kain can have that, I think that means the pig has to be thrown into his pig bag.
hes not that big, considering this is a jungle boy, not a man the pig is prob just about a foot or two above a full grown man, and fat weighs less than muscle so his fat only means he prob weighs less...which is no doubt why a boy can carry him.
Your assuming, ill w8 until you stop doing a Terry. you are stating over and over again something thats not actually said or shown in the game, and real world concepts? they dont have to use any real world concepts at all....especially when theres a manifested shadow being floating about...
Also the last evil pig looks nothing like light, more like energy. Hes emanating light/glowing which is true but he looks nothing like light as in, sunlight.
You dont even know what a no limits fallacy is....Kains spell shield does exactly what its name implies, calling it a no limits fallacy because it does what its supposed to do is retarded.
Originally posted by Burning thought
hes not that big, considering this is a jungle boy, not a man the pig is prob just about a foot or two above a full grown man, and fat weighs less than muscle so his fat only means he prob weighs less...which is no doubt why a boy can carry him.Your assuming, ill w8 until you stop doing a Terry. you are stating over and over again something thats not actually said or shown in the game, and real world concepts? they dont have to use any real world concepts at all....especially when theres a manifested shadow being floating about...
Also the last evil pig looks nothing like light, more like energy. Hes emanating light/glowing which is true but he looks nothing like light as in, sunlight.
You dont even know what a no limits fallacy is....Kains spell shield does exactly what its name implies, calling it a no limits fallacy because it does what its supposed to do is retarded.
I've compared him to the largest human NPC in the game, Pham. The pig is about two feet taller than him, so you are correct there. But, 78% fat is still a lot. And the pig still weighs a lot. Tomba is abnormally strong. If you don't believe me on the speed, I'll show you the Tomba 2 intro, which has Tomba using his animal dash.
The next time you or anyone you know gets punched by a shadow and gets hurt, you let me know. Until then, these shadow creatures have a physical form unless you can prove otherwise.
It's light, and if you can't see that then there is no hope for you.
Look, if Kain's shield protects him from anything, it would have to be a no limits fallacy because he wouldn't be able to be beaten.
You called me out on feats, where are yours? I want feats on all of this crap. Feats on the sword stealing souls, feats on Kain's no limits fallacy, I mean repel shield.
Feats for Kain too. Strength, speed, durability, the whole nine yards. Get to it.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
I've compared him to the largest human NPC in the game, Pham. The pig is about two feet taller than him, so you are correct there. But, 78% fat is still a lot. And the pig still weighs a lot. Tomba is abnormally strong. If you don't believe me on the speed, I'll show you the Tomba 2 intro, which has Tomba using his animal dash.The next time you or anyone you know gets punched by a shadow and gets hurt, you let me know. Until then, these shadow creatures have a physical form unless you can prove otherwise.
It's light, and if you can't see that then there is no hope for you.
Look, if Kain's shield protects him from anything, it would have to be a no limits fallacy because he wouldn't be able to be beaten.
You called me out on feats, where are yours? I want feats on all of this crap. Feats on the sword stealing souls, feats on Kain's no limits fallacy, I mean repel shield.
Feats for Kain too. Strength, speed, durability, the whole nine yards. Get to it.
Your talking childlishly small numbers here, your talking a boy picking up a pig not much bigger than a man, the fact he is fat means little. The youngest and arguably weakest Kain before he gains any major strength can lift up a fully armoured man with one arm. Hell he can do this to the giant super knights which I cannot find a screenshot of yet but the actual normal knights are picked up. Kain would rip THROUGH the pig physically.
No until the game says otherwise, the Shadows are using the same magic that somehow manifests them as a reason for them being able to harm Kain.
Theres no light at all, it looks a tinge of green, its a ball of energy.
Ofcourse he can be beaten, just not by this pig, and the shield only lasts for about 10 seconds which is another weakness.
You want feats on the soul reaver stealing souls? lol....if ime really bored and since youve proven your lack of intellect already so far I may give you it.
I dont have to get to anything, youve yet to show me anything that would require Kain to do more than a punch....or if the pigs in energy form, any of his spells or his sword....
The pig has no real feats and those that he does have are extremely poor apart from the area of his time spell.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Your talking childlishly small numbers here, your talking a boy picking up a pig not much bigger than a man, the fact he is fat means little. The youngest and arguably weakest Kain before he gains any major strength can lift up a fully armoured man with one arm. Hell he can do this to the giant super knights which I cannot find a screenshot of yet but the actual normal knights are picked up. Kain would rip THROUGH the pig physically.No until the game says otherwise, the Shadows are using the same magic that somehow manifests them as a reason for them being able to harm Kain.
Theres no light at all, it looks a tinge of green, its a ball of energy.
Ofcourse he can be beaten, just not by this pig, and the shield only lasts for about 10 seconds which is another weakness.
You want feats on the [b]soul reaver
stealing souls? lol....if ime really bored and since youve proven your lack of intellect already so far I may give you it.I dont have to get to anything, youve yet to show me anything that would require Kain to do more than a punch....or if the pigs in energy form, any of his spells or his sword....
The pig has no real feats and those that he does have are extremely poor apart from the area of his time spell. [/B]
ime not trying to prove that Tomba can lift 100 tons with ease, ime saying that Tomba is abnormally strong. And that pig may very well weigh one ton. For Tomba to throw him is not normal. Hence me saying abnormally strong. But wow, you sure do like to toss that childish word around a lot. You really must be insecure.
Okay, you haven't proven anything, so I'll be assuming you agree with me.
There's no hope for you.
Tell me how to beat the Repel shield then? Prove it can be beaten.
A name means nothing. Feats. Now. Get to it.
Until you show me feats on Kain's Strength, Speed, Durability, and the like Kain can't lift a feather, he gets beat in a foot race by a snail (doesn't even have any feet, pathetic Kain) and is impaled by a blade of grass.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Okay, you haven't proven anything, so I'll be assuming you agree with me.There's no hope for you.
Tell me how to beat the Repel shield then? Prove it can be beaten.
A name means nothing. Feats. Now. Get to it.
Until you show me feats on Kain's Strength, Speed, Durability, and the like Kain can't lift a feather, he gets beat in a foot race by a snail (doesn't even have any feet, pathetic Kain) and is impaled by a blade of grass.
Playing silly buggers, aren't we?
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
ime not trying to prove that Tomba can lift 100 tons with ease, ime saying that Tomba is abnormally strong. And that pig may very well weigh one ton. For Tomba to throw him is not normal. Hence me saying abnormally strong. But wow, you sure do like to toss that childish word around a lot. You really must be insecure.Okay, you haven't proven anything, so I'll be assuming you agree with me.
There's no hope for you.
Tell me how to beat the Repel shield then? Prove it can be beaten.
A name means nothing. Feats. Now. Get to it.
Until you show me feats on Kain's Strength, Speed, Durability, and the like Kain can't lift a feather, he gets beat in a foot race by a snail (doesn't even have any feet, pathetic Kain) and is impaled by a blade of grass.
Its ridiculously small amount of strength, you were trying to make it sound like Kain would not match Tomba in strength....
Tell you how to beat it? you need to go and get a better more powerful character first....
No, until I show you feats, you will pretend to be silly bugger as AI suggesated and look like a fool, sorry..."more" of a fool than you already do.
Go and troll somewhere else kid, ill come back either when ime bored or when I find an actual real argument beyond blabbering nonsense.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Its ridiculously small amount of strength, you were trying to make it sound like Kain would not match Tomba in strength....Tell you how to beat it? you need to go and get a better more powerful character first....
No, until I show you feats, you will pretend to be silly bugger as AI suggesated and look like a fool, sorry..."more" of a fool than you already do.
Go and troll somewhere else kid, ill come back either when ime bored or when I find an actual real argument beyond blabbering nonsense.
Nope. Read my posts, you tried to downplay the Evil Pig by claiming he was manhandled by Tomba. I proved Tomba is abnormally strong. Good try though.
This character has Kain's powers, and so far Kain has yet to stop his Time spell.
No feats? Okay. Kain loses because he's a pussy. It was a pleasure to debate with you on this topic. Have yourself a nice day.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
No feats? Okay. Kain loses because he's a pussy. It was a pleasure to debate with you on this topic. Have yourself a nice day.
Kain can effortlessly lift up people by their necks with one hand, can easily go mano a mano with someone who can move ~30 ton boulders. His mist form gives him quick bursts of speed, but not like Kain is a snail without it anyway.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
None of that helps him.Kain can't use his repel shield until BT can prove it's not unbeatable.
The Evil Pig still has a very large portion of Kain's powers. And a light form that Kain can't harm.
Hell, BT claimed it was a ball of energy. That's even better. How will Kain harm energy?
That does not even make sense.
No the pig has no powers at all apart from its long casting time spell. Youve not even shown the pig copying actual weapons and even if he copied it, he cant hold a soul reaver without hands so he would have to come out of his energy form.
Yeh like magical energy, like how Kain can cast magical energy etc, energy bolts. Magical energy is damageable in fiction, you would have to prove that this fairly ambiguous form is actually untouchable. And thats physically ofc, Kain still slashes in one blow and takes the pigs soul.
Originally posted by SuperLuigi
cant destroy energy ever. at all. impossible.
You can change its form and split it from a main source, the pig would then be eliminated beyond even physical obliteration.
Originally posted by Burning thought
That does not even make sense.No the pig has no powers at all apart from its long casting time spell. Youve not even shown the pig copying actual weapons and even if he copied it, he cant hold a soul reaver without hands so he would have to come out of his energy form.
Yeh like magical energy, like how Kain can cast magical energy etc, energy bolts. Magical energy is damageable in fiction, you would have to prove that this fairly ambiguous form is actually untouchable. And thats physically ofc, Kain still slashes in one blow and takes the pigs soul.
You can change its form and split it from a main source, the pig would then be eliminated beyond even physical obliteration.
His strength is useless until he has a speed feat.
Yes, it does. Him copying weapons is in the boss fight, which you found a video of to show me his pig form.
When? When has "magical energy" ever been damaged?