Originally posted by Burning thought
That does not even make sense.No the pig has no powers at all apart from its long casting time spell. Youve not even shown the pig copying actual weapons and even if he copied it, he cant hold a soul reaver without hands so he would have to come out of his energy form.
Yeh like magical energy, like how Kain can cast magical energy etc, energy bolts. Magical energy is damageable in fiction, you would have to prove that this fairly ambiguous form is actually untouchable. And thats physically ofc, Kain still slashes in one blow and takes the pigs soul.
You can change its form and split it from a main source, the pig would then be eliminated beyond even physical obliteration.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
His strength is useless until he has a speed feat.Yes, it does. Him copying weapons is in the boss fight, which you found a video of to show me his pig form.
When? When has "magical energy" ever been damaged?
He does, your just not worth the time it would take to show one at the moment, which is prob a few seconds but w/e
Really? well show the vid and the time its shown, either way he cant hold it.
In many fictions, almost always magical energy can be damaged. Fact is the pig not being able to take damage in energy form is a negative, since in a debate we always take a positive over a negative until evidence is shown for the negative then Kain can hit the pigs energy/light/w/e form, whats interesting is that nothing is actually stated on the pigs form so its fair game for any of Kains attacks.
Originally posted by Phanteros
can Kain can have all the power he once but that means shit if he can't hit his opponent.
Originally posted by SuperLuigi
how would kain do this?
Hit the energy with an attack that uses a more powerful energy source, which is all of his attacks considering the pigs durability in this form is featless but this is talking real energy, the pigs energy is unkown, featless etc..so its fair game.
Originally posted by Burning thought
He does, your just not worth the time it would take to show one at the moment, which is prob a few seconds but w/eReally? well show the vid and the time its shown, either way he cant hold it.
In many fictions, almost always magical energy can be damaged. Fact is the pig not being able to take damage in energy form is a negative, since in a debate we always take a positive over a negative until evidence is shown for the negative then Kain can hit the pigs energy/light/w/e form, whats interesting is that nothing is actually stated on the pigs form so its fair game for any of Kains attacks.
You just don't get it, do you? Kain has to be fast enough to hit this pig. If not, the Pig won't even have to use time stop. He'll just laugh as Kain struggles to keep up.
Show the vid? You found your own video, didn't you watch the vid that you chose to use as evidence?
Maybe you do get it, and that's why you refuse to show any feats at all. Kain can't do a damn thing at all, because I haven't seen him do anything at all.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
You just don't get it, do you? Kain has to be fast enough to hit this pig. If not, the Pig won't even have to use time stop. He'll just laugh as Kain struggles to keep up.Show the vid? You found your own video, didn't you watch the vid that you chose to use as evidence?
Maybe you do get it, and that's why you refuse to show any feats at all. Kain can't do a damn thing at all, because I haven't seen him do anything at all.
The pig is not fast though....a normal boy can keep up with it and Kain can teleport anyway so....youve not got anything to save the pig.
Sure, but since I dont play the game Tomba 2 and never have, the graphics do not shout at me "hes copying a weapon and using it against his foe!" I dont even have to watch the whole video either, i found the part relevent to me.
AS A.I, playing silly bugger wont help you.
Originally posted by Burning thought
The pig is not fast though....a normal boy can keep up with it and Kain can teleport anyway so....youve not got anything to save the pig.Sure, but since I dont play the game Tomba 2 and never have, the graphics do not shout at me "hes copying a weapon and using it against his foe!" I dont even have to watch the whole video either, i found the part relevent to me.
AS A.I, playing silly bugger wont help you.
If that's all you've got, its pathetic and Kain has lost.
So, you have a video. Watch it and find out.
I don't know what you're talking about.
Originally posted by Burning thoughtFine heres the argument:
You proved my point, ah well as I said yesterday, until ime bored or until you come up with an argument you can continue playing silly bugger on your own until I return then ill have a go.
Kain loses to guy who can who can stop time and copy weapons. Moo shows a vid as prove of his agrument. you ignore vid because you can't comprehend the fact Kain will lose to a E rated character Name the Last Evil Pig so you acting in denial. Did I hit the mark?
Originally posted by Phanteros
Fine heres the argument:Kain loses to guy who can who can stop time and copy weapons. Moo shows a vid as prove of his agrument. you ignore vid because you can't comprehend the fact Kain will lose to a E rated character Name the Last Evil Pig so you acting in denial. Did I hit the mark?
No, Kain wins to a pig that can stop time within 10 seconds which is too long. Moo shows a vid that proves the pig can stop time, but is disproved on his statement of "with a thought" because it clearly takes longer than that unless the pigs in his game have a thought speed of 10 seconds. I take into account an aspect of a vid that is not taken into account by my opposition (moo) and show his foolishness, he now feels foolish and intellectually inadequate to face me in a proper debate so he decides to play silly bugger (ignoring information and pretending it does not exist despite obvious evidence) which is seen not just by me for your information but also by Artificial intelligence so if you want to bash him as well go ahead but you will only show your intellectual level is on the same level as Moo's.
The pig is both slow, slow at casting, has zero feats of durability and was manhandled by a jungle boy and tossed in a bag....he makes the term "cannot fight your way out of a paper bag" almost literal (barring the actual material of the bag). The pig is defeated quite easily as anyone who does have a objective and somewhat close to clever thought process would see that Kain who is far faster, stronger and able to kill the pig in a strike due to soul possessing weapons is the winner quite easily.
There's no real arguments left in this thread now, only trolling and baiting which unfortunately for the childish and intellectually inferior opposition I will not fall to, merely answer out of boredom when I am waiting for download to finish.
Originally posted by Phanteros
Fine heres the argument:Kain loses to guy who can who can stop time and copy weapons. Moo shows a vid as prove of his agrument. you ignore vid because you can't comprehend the fact Kain will lose to a E rated character Name the Last Evil Pig so you acting in denial. Did I hit the mark?
I think you've summed this thread up quite nicely.
Let the records show that BT's Kain has been defeated by a character, better yet, a pig character from an E rated game. And this game actually IS meant for children.
Emo Twilight vampire (aka Kain) < The Last Evil Pig.
My Evil Pig is the real Evil Pig, unlike your emo vampire. There are three ways to go about this fight.
1. The Evil Pig stops Time and loses because Kain can't stop him. Repel shield isn't allowed since it cannot be beaten.
2. Repel Shield is allowed, and because of that the Evil Pig has to be thrown into his Evil Pig bag to be defeated.
3. The Evil Pig uses his pig form and since Kain has no feats to back him up, the Evil Pig makes Kain into a plaything.
The only thing you haven't done is give an argument or support to Kain, BT. Kain loses.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Kain would by now have the repel shield.....so the pig will freeze itself in time anyway
Repel Shield repel projectiles and attacks according to tooltip. I've never seen, heard nor read anything about it being able to return a status effect (global or otherwise) back on its opponent.
Originally posted by XanatosForever
Out of curiosity, BT, do you ever factor in CIS during your Kain debates?
Character induced stupidity I assume the abbreviation?
Yes sometimes, why? is there something you have in mind?
Originally posted by C. C. Cowgirl!
[b]Repel Shield repel projectiles and attacks according to tool tip. I've never seen, heard nor read anything about it being able to return a status effect (global or otherwise) back on its opponent. [/B]
Well actually thats because its not in the game play tool tip, Kain says it himself:
"Invoking this spell cloaks me under a protective aegis. Whatever spell is cast at me will be reflected back at the caster, leaving me unharmed. It will only last for a short time, however, before leaving me vulnerable once more."
The tool tip points out "all enemy attacks" and outlines projectiles as well.
I like how people try and poke holes in kains powers yet nobody bothered to point out the huge cast time on the pigs spell until I did pages into the argument 🙄