I dont know, Kain is not as arrogent in his defiance form as he is in BO 2, if it was BO 2 Kain he may just kill them quickly. Problem is Kain hates humans which are the only real inferior being in LOK that Kain faces, Raziel athough inferior is important to Kain so he cannot really be factored. Id imagine at the sight of a pig in robes he would probably talk before attacking, although the pig by the looks of it would do the same.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Well actually thats because its not in the game play tool tip, Kain says it himself:The tool tip points out "all enemy attacks" and outlines projectiles as well.
I like how people try and poke holes in kains powers yet nobody bothered to point out the huge cast time on the pigs spell until I did pages into the argument 🙄
I don't care about the pig. I'm talking about his shield. First of all, stopping time is not an actual attack, but rather a status effect. Secondly, it isn't cast at him, but rather the world around him.
A lot of spells fall into that category and I've seen nothing that allows Kain to protect himself from anything of the sort.
It shields him from spells, simple fact....if its a spell affecting him then its reflected. Its a field around Kain. Its irrelevant anyway but taking it into account the pig cannot actually stop Kain in time.
Theres always a target of a spell, in the pigs case its "people sleeping deeply" but hes never actually targeted something like the ground. Its illogical to think that a spell just because it has an AOE is not going to be affected by the shield, Kain is under a "protective aegis" as he says so if part of the spell is going to touch the aegis then its logical that its reflected, since thats the point of the shield. of course if we had a fireball and its explosion hit the shield then only that portion will logically be reflected, not the whole fireball.
Originally posted by Burning thoughtVid of this?
It shields him from spells, simple fact....if its a spell affecting him then its reflected. Its a field around Kain. Its irrelevant anyway but taking it into account the pig cannot actually stop Kain in time.Theres always a target of a spell, in the pigs case its "people sleeping deeply" but hes never actually targeted something like the ground. Its illogical to think that a spell just because it has an AOE is not going to be affected by the shield, Kain is under a "protective aegis" as he says so if part of the spell is going to touch the aegis then its logical that its reflected, since thats the point of the shield. of course if we had a fireball and its explosion hit the shield then only that portion will logically be reflected, not the whole fireball.
Originally posted by Burning thought
I dont know, Kain is not as arrogent in his defiance form as he is in BO 2, if it was BO 2 Kain he may just kill them quickly. Problem is Kain hates humans which are the only real inferior being in LOK that Kain faces, Raziel athough inferior is important to Kain so he cannot really be factored. Id imagine at the sight of a pig in robes he would probably talk before attacking, although the pig by the looks of it would do the same.
Well naturally, villains and most anti-heros have an undeniable urge to monologue. In any case, would he be so arrogant as to allow the pig to cast his spell?
I think I've brought up the Time spell affecting the world, including Kain, instead of it just affecting Kain
As for the "sleeping deeply" thing BT, that's just you trying to exploit what you think is a loophole. Those two words mean absolutely nothing. Right after the pig finishes casting his spell he says time stopped for everyone in the world. And once you enter his dimension, he starts talking about it and asks if you like the new world he's created.
Something else I've forgotten, the Evil Pig has demonstrated an ability to turn beings into stone. So there's another way Kain loses.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
I think I've brought up the Time spell affecting the world, including Kain, instead of it just affecting KainAs for the "sleeping deeply" thing BT, that's just you trying to exploit what you think is a loophole. Those two words mean absolutely nothing. Right after the pig finishes casting his spell he says time stopped for everyone in the world. And once you enter his dimension, he starts talking about it and asks if you like the new world he's created.
Something else I've forgotten, the Evil Pig has demonstrated an ability to turn beings into stone. So there's another way Kain loses.
No, it affects a continent, as the pig says "sleeping on the continent", as Nemebro pointed out hyperbolic narrative goes on after he casts the spell where he tries to make Tomba fear the worst. Problem is, either way its a targeted spell, so he would have to have Kain as a target to turn him frozen in time to begin with, ofcourse, the Repel shield will not allow it.
Those two words mean nothing yet the pieces of the text you want to be true actually mean something? you dont even have a reason lol......as Nemebro said and as I mentioend above, after hes actually cast the spell which was targeted at those sleeping deeply he goes into narrative hyperbole.
yeh let me guess, this power takes a whole hour for him to cast? lol.....and the effect lasts 2 seconds...theres bound to be some other huge weakness to the move.
kain just slices the pig once within about 2 seconds....or makes himself invulerable in 1 second with repel shield, then goes on to destroy the pig quite easily.
Originally posted by XanatosForever
Well naturally, villains and most anti-heros have an undeniable urge to monologue. In any case, would he be so arrogant as to allow the pig to cast his spell?
No, first its massively obvious when the pig is casting a spell, he even anounches it and second the Pig would be talking too....thing is when they actually decide to act Kain can defeat the pig in a few seconds wheras the pig has to sit there still for a whole 10 seconds to cast an obvious spell that may not work by the end of it.
Originally posted by Burning thought
No, it affects a continent, as the pig says "sleeping on the continent", as Nemebro pointed out hyperbolic narrative goes on after he casts the spell where he tries to make Tomba fear the worst. Problem is, either way its a targeted spell, so he would have to have Kain as a target to turn him frozen in time to begin with, ofcourse, the Repel shield will not allow it.Those two words mean nothing yet the pieces of the text you want to be true actually mean something? you dont even have a reason lol......as Nemebro said and as I mentioend above, after hes actually cast the spell which was targeted at those sleeping deeply he goes into narrative hyperbole.
yeh let me guess, this power takes a whole hour for him to cast? lol.....and the effect lasts 2 seconds...theres bound to be some other huge weakness to the move.
kain just slices the pig once within about 2 seconds....or makes himself invulerable in 1 second with repel shield, then goes on to destroy the pig quite easily.
No, the pig makes numerous references to the whole world being frozen in time. Even long after his spell was cast. Repel shield is not allowed since it cannot be beaten. It's just like Ganon only being hurt by the Master Sword.
And yes, the pieces that are true mean something. Because they're true.
I don't know. All I know is he's turned two living beings to stone, and shrunk an abnormally tall tree to a foot high by turning it to stone.
Kain can't win. And now we don't even have to pretend a colorless Kain is a statue, since we can literally turn him into a statue.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
No, the pig makes numerous references to the whole world being frozen in time. Even long after his spell was cast. Repel shield is not allowed since it cannot be beaten. It's just like Ganon only being hurt by the Master Sword.And yes, the pieces that are true mean something. Because they're true.
I don't know. All I know is he's turned two living beings to stone, and shrunk an abnormally tall tree to a foot high by turning it to stone.
Kain can't win. And now we don't even have to pretend a colorless Kain is a statue, since we can literally turn him into a statue.
No, Kains version of "ganon only being hurt by master sword" is an immutable time stream that does not allow Kain to be defeated in any situation. Repel shield is just a magic spell Kain can cast..its like taking away the pigs Time spell.....
The pig says both, only thing is the actual spell and the beings he is targeting are said while hes making the spell. Anything said afterwards is just a narrative hyperbole.
Originally posted by Burning thought
No, Kains version of "ganon only being hurt by master sword" is an immutable time stream that does not allow Kain to be defeated in any situation. Repel shield is just a magic spell Kain can cast..its like taking away the pigs Time spell.....The pig says both, only thing is the actual spell and the beings he is targeting are said while hes making the spell. Anything said afterwards is just a narrative hyperbole.
The Repel shield protects against anything does it not?
Keep reaching all you want. The time spell stops anything and everything. Water doesn't flow and becomes as solid as rock, everything loses color and people don't move, regardless of whether or not they were sleeping.
Pretty much, so? its an incredible spell.....sorta like this time stop of the pigs, thing is, the pigs takes 10 seconds, Kains takes 1....
Maybe not in canon, maybe only in gameplay, maybe only to stiffen the challenge for the players, either way thats not what the pig himself says. It still does not matter, he has a target, whether its people world wide, or people on a continent and whats more important is that it takes 10 seconds to do. it will take 2/3 seconds for Kain to casually walk up to the floating orb illuminating the area and speaking magic and then to slash quickly...killing the pig instantly.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Pretty much, so? its an incredible spell.....sorta like this time stop of the pigs, thing is, the pigs takes 10 seconds, Kains takes 1....Maybe not in canon, maybe only in gameplay, maybe only to stiffen the challenge for the players, either way thats not what the pig himself says. It still does not matter, he has a target, whether its people world wide, or people on a continent and whats more important is that it takes 10 seconds to do. it will take 2/3 seconds for Kain to casually walk up to the floating orb illuminating the area and speaking magic and then to slash quickly...killing the pig instantly.
Yeah, so it's banned because it prevents Kain from ever taking damage ever. It has to be banned to make fair fights.
He's also said numerous times, note the numerous, as in "more than one time," you know, the number of times the Evil Pig said "sleeping deeply," that he stopped time for everyone in the world.
It's hilarious how you want to try to argue this. Neme played the game, he knew what he was talking about. You can walk around and people don't move, they don't all fall asleep in time for the pig's spell. Hell, there isn't even a night in this game. You don't see anyone sleeping in this game, ever.
Evil Pig casts time stop or doesn't and turns Kain to stone.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Yeah, so it's banned because it prevents Kain from ever taking damage ever. It has to be banned to make fair fights.He's also said numerous times, note the numerous, as in "more than one time," you know, the number of times the Evil Pig said "sleeping deeply," that he stopped time for everyone in the world.
It's hilarious how you want to try to argue this. Neme played the game, he knew what he was talking about. You can walk around and people don't move, they don't all fall asleep in time for the pig's spell. Hell, there isn't even a night in this game. You don't see anyone sleeping in this game, ever.
Evil Pig casts time stop or doesn't and turns Kain to stone.
it lasts 10 seconds, so technically it could allow kain to take damage if hes going to amuse himself by tormenting the pig by not casting it again...either way your just upset because the pig is screwed lol....if you just want the pig to win make it the weakest kain without any powers and then make the scenario so that Kain is asleep and the pig inside an adamantium cage....then the pig will win...
Hyperbolic narrative.
Probably because in the actual canon storyline in happens but not in the gameplay.
You spamming this over and over again means nothing. unfortuantley for you your pigs spells take ages, Kain has time for a quick sleep first.
Originally posted by Burning thought
it lasts 10 seconds, so technically it could allow kain to take damage if hes going to amuse himself by tormenting the pig by not casting it again...either way your just upset because the pig is screwed lol....if you just want the pig to win make it the weakest kain without any powers and then make the scenario so that Kain is asleep and the pig inside an adamantium cage....then the pig will win...Hyperbolic narrative.
Probably because in the actual canon storyline in happens but not in the gameplay.
You spamming this over and over again means nothing. unfortuantley for you your pigs spells take ages, Kain has time for a quick sleep first.
So he can just drop it and cast it again, eliminating the only reason you have to claim it's not unbeatable. Repel shield is banned, Kain is ****ed.
No, based on what the pig says numerous times and what we see as we walk around in the world.
The actual canon storyline is portrayed through the game, in which we see no night time ever.
The time spell might take time, but that doesn't matter since Kain can't stop it. Kain can't save himself from being turned to stone either.
Wow, 8 pages and still not one feat for Kain. He can't even make it to the pig in 10 seconds.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Gameplay is not canon.Your denile and playing silly bugger is not an argument.
The pig could be defeated by most lower beings in LoK. The weakest Kain could prob do it as well....
Mandatory gameplay is.
You're not even trying, now you're just ignoring everything lol.
Kain can't do anything because he has no feats.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Mandatory gameplay is.You're not even trying, now you're just ignoring everything lol.
Kain can't do anything because he has no feats.
no, the area around you, what you see etc such as frozen waterfalls are not necesserily in the storyline, if someone made a sequel or wrote a book, those details may not be in the book.
Its because your saying the same things, I have answered all of these arguments already.
Originally posted by SpadeKing
is it just me or does kain's repel shield sound like a FF reflect?I haven't played his games so I wouldn't know.
Maybe, does the FF reflect reflect spells cast on the user back on the opponent? its not exactley unique idea really, ime sure there are many fictions with something like this.