Batman vs Spiderman

Originally posted by SamZED
Ok lets just agree to disagree, I still believe it's Spider-man's respect for Steve that played a big role in that fight and I admit that in comics he'd most likely lose again because imo that respect would always be the case for him whenever he faces Cap. But I also believe that if he ever cuts lose there's no ma fighters without special powers that would stand a chance against him, but that's just my opinion based on Parker's random feats and showing against other ma fighters.
As for Batman, never argued that he wins with prep. But if Parker knows he's coming even then it wont be easy.

Fair enough.

My opinion is still that in comics trained street level MA fighters can hang with superpowered guys and the best of them got good odds against Spiderman.

Originally posted by Mshinu
True. However I am sick of the "Soidey`s holding back" excuse. This is an example of him not holding back gainst an opponent who has skills and speed similar to Batman.

[b]

Wrong, he is clearly not holding back at the start since his punchshatters a brick chimmney into a thousand pieces. He considers holding back for a second "gee maybe I should cool it since this guy might not have superpowers" then gets smacked and abandons the idea. He still gets his ass handed to him and could have been killed twice.

[B]

Yes Batman with prep is not even a contest. Without the prep I still give it to Bats but he`ll struggles a bit more to win than Cap or Wolvie would. Unless bug spray is part of his standard gear now.

Bats loses the majority without prep, and yes t hey can give him a fight, but when has another character not given another character a fight in a comic? Batman would give Flash a fight in a comic, doesn't mean as much here with KMC scenarios. None of the guys are strong enough to physically break the webbing.

I am NOT going to do another Wolverine vs Spiderman in this thread, but I need to point this out before someone gets embarrased. In that other scan the Spider sense would have gone off, NONE of these characters are doing anything to him without it going off or before he reacts, the sense has gone off from people staring at him. I'm not going to argue something so dumb and obvious because it isn't worth my time. Someone could try to pick-pocket him (which isn't "attacking him" and it would go off. Even then he could ignore it because he doesn't see it as a threat, much like that scenario.

Someone show me where these characters are getting all of these "superhuman stats", I hope it isn't because they do feats that all comic heroes do anyways.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
It doesn't take him much effort to punch a brick chimney, he simply takes it down another notch. I'm pretty sure he wasn't trying to kill him.

Seriously, what do you think that punch would have done to a average human?

Bats loses the majority without prep, and yes t hey can give him a fight, but when has another character not given another character a fight in a comic? Batman would give Flash a fight in a comic, doesn't mean as much here with KMC scenarios. None of the guys are strong enough to physically break the webbing.

If Bats is unable to dodge or break out of or negate the webbing I have to agree. Don`t read much Batman anymore co I can`t really say how good he is dodging ranged atttacks and what his standard gear is.

In that other scan the Spider sense would have gone off, NONE of these characters are doing anything to him without it going off or before he reacts, the sense has gone off from people staring at him. I'm not going to argue something so dumb and obvious because it isn't worth my time. Someone show me where these characters are getting all of these "superhuman stats", I hope it isn't because they do feats that all comic heroes do anyways.

I am sure the spider sense goes off but that does not mean a skilled person can`t use Spidey`s untrained wasteful moves against him and strike at a moment he when is unable to react fast enough. The chimney punch is a perfect example since he is overly commited to the attack, his guard is down and he does not recover to a defensive position before Wolvie smacks him across the roof. Hand to hand the speed difference between Spidey and guys like Batman and Wolverine is negible, and counters work just fine.

BTW you are starting another Spidey vs Wolvie but wathever...

Originally posted by Mshinu
Seriously, what do you think that punch would have done to a average human?

[B]

If Bats is unable to dodge or break out of or negate the webbing I have to agree. Don`t read much Batman anymore co I can`t really say how good he is dodging ranged atttacks and what his standard gear is.

[B]

I am sure the spider sense goes off but that does not mean a skilled person can`t use Spidey`s untrained wasteful moves against him and strike at a moment he when is unable to react fast enough. The chimney punch is a perfect example since he is overly commited to the attack, his guard is down and he does not recover to a defensive position before Wolvie smacks him across the roof. Hand to hand the speed difference between Spidey and guys like Batman and Wolverine is negible, and counters work just fine.

BTW you are starting another Spidey vs Wolvie but wathever...

Anyways, the fight at KMC won't be Spiderman vs MA (when he thinks they are only human and holds back), it is Spiderman at his best vs them. Every scan you show of Spiderman gettting hit, I can show you multiple scans of him dodging something much faster. Featwars are always circular because while you pull out a scan of xxx hitting him before he reacts, I can pull out a scan of him hitting someone like DD before he reacts (while at a handicap), so h2h the speed isn't really negligable. Can they hit him...?

Yes.

Never said it was impossible to hit him, but he is a great deal faster and if we show him how he *consistently* fights faster characters he would have a much better advantage. His career isn't built on fighting certain heroes in crossovers, in which they weaken the stronger character a bit for the plot. Characters like Iron Man have been unable to *blast* (much faster than a punch) him up close. Catch my drift of how these arguments go?

Back later.

Originally posted by Mshinu
Unlike Firelord Wolvie is in the same range as Batman regarding fighting skills and speed, therefore relevant to the thread.

As for that fight.... well I am not even going to spell out the three letters for you

Oh so getting a result against a herald doesn't count, but any low showing does-and correct me if I'm wrong but hasn't Spiderman always been a match for Puma, who is skilled in martial arts AND on the same power level as Spiderman.

Logan has superhuman stats and is considerably faster and stronger than Batman. So his fights with Spiderman are not that relevant to this thread. Saying that Batman can beat Spiderman, based on his showings against Wolverine is like saying a brick who loses to the Hulk will definitely be beaten by the Thing.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Yea I probably am (not trying to) but I'll leave it at that, some people just take things too far. Like I said he can ignore the warning, I'm just sick of Wolverine being brought into every debate, particularly Spiderman ones. take that debate to *those* threads. I think the issue was already raised as is. The only way they'd hit him in that case is if he is in midair and can't alter his direction. He has webbing for that.

Since Spiderman is not properly trained in h2h combat he can be as vulnerable when attacking as he would in the air. Like on the rooftop when he strikes wolverine but gets the claws popped right in front of his nose. Anyway I did not even intend to discuss this thread but my comment about Spidey having lost to Rhino one time got some reaction I had to awnser.

Anyways, the fight at KMC won't be Spiderman vs MA (when he thinks they are only human and holds back), it is Spiderman at his best vs them. Every scan you show of Spiderman gettting hit, I can show you multiple scans of him dodging something much faster. Featwars are always circular because while you pull out a scan of xxx hitting him before he reacts, I can pull out a scan of him hitting someone like DD before he reacts (while at a handicap), so h2h the speed isn't really negligable. Can they hit him...?

Yes.

Again, Spidey at his best is not more skilled nor does he have a fighter`s focused mind. It could be argued his moves will be even easier to exploit since he uses full power without the knowledge of containing his strikes.

Never said it was impossible to hit him, but he is a great deal faster and if we show him how he *consistently* fights faster characters he would have a much better advantage. His career isn't built on fighting certain heroes in crossovers, in which they weaken the stronger character a bit for the plot. Characters like Iron Man have been unable to *blast* (much faster than a punch) him up close. Catch my drift of how these arguments go?

Well a lot of characters in the comics dodge stuff that is logically impossible.. And IM is hardly a well trained in h2h either. Not quite sure I get your point but I agree that characters are written up and down all the time. That does not neccecarily mean Spidey is written down every time someone strikes him. Also I`d say it seems a lot easier to hit speeding characters in the comis than in the real world. For instance Quicksilver and Northstar gets tagged and grabbed by people without superspeed.

Originally posted by Mshinu
Fair enough.

My opinion is still that in comics trained street level MA fighters can hang with superpowered guys and the best of them got good odds against Spiderman.

Originally posted by SamZED
ok with me. lol we've been at it for almost 10 pages. 😄

That long already.. well I have been stuck at the office with little to do

Originally posted by BUSTER1
Oh so getting a result against a herald doesn't count, but any low showing does-and correct me if I'm wrong but hasn't Spiderman always been a match for Puma, who is skilled in martial arts AND on the same power level as Spiderman.

Logan has superhuman stats and is considerably faster and stronger than Batman. So his fights with Spiderman are not that relevant to this thread. Saying that Batman can beat Spiderman, based on his showings against Wolverine is like saying a brick who loses to the Hulk will definitely be beaten by the Thing.

If each hero is wrote with the potential of there abilities, I don't see Batman taking the majority. Spidey is quicker, faster and stronger. Lets not forget he's far from being stupid. Even with prep time Bats chances of losing is extremely high. Spiderman for the win.

Originally posted by heru
If each hero is wrote with the potential of there abilities, I don't see Batman taking the majority. Spidey is quicker, faster and stronger. Lets not forget he's far from being stupid. Even with prep time Bats chances of losing is extremely high. Spiderman for the win.

I see this match going this way.

It's going to take dozens of well placed hits by batman to take spiderman down- that's IF they manage to land, given spiderman's much greater speed and precognitive abilities via spider sense.

ONE hit from a not-screwing-around spiderman will KILL batman. even a half strength (say 5 ton) hit to anything vital and it's game over.

Keep in mind Spiderman uses a unique style bruce has never seen before and has the speed advantage, and the odds of bruce never being hit here are not good.

Originally posted by Space M ummy
I see this match going this way.

It's going to take dozens of well placed hits by batman to take spiderman down- that's IF they manage to land, given spiderman's much greater speed and precognitive abilities via spider sense.

ONE hit from a not-screwing-around spiderman will KILL batman. even a half strength (say 5 ton) hit to anything vital and it's game over.

Keep in mind Spiderman uses a unique style bruce has never seen before and has the speed advantage, and the odds of bruce never being hit here are not good.

Bruce's armor is being drastically under-rated. He's taken hits from people way above Spiderman's strength without much trouble.

Bruce will land punches, and he will hurt Spiderman with every one of them. Bruce would win a majority with just his standard equipment, but if you give him 2 days prep, it's overkill.

That's why he'd get hit in the head... Batman has also been hurt by weaker people. But he does have the advantage with prep.

Originally posted by grimify
Bruce's armor is being drastically under-rated. He's taken hits from people way above Spiderman's strength without much trouble.

Bruce will land punches, and he will hurt Spiderman with every one of them. Bruce would win a majority with just his standard equipment, but if you give him 2 days prep, it's overkill.

Spidey ftw.

Originally posted by SamZED
Is it really underrated? I've seen him get stabbed by ordinary knives several times.

Blade damage and brute force damage aren't the same, the suit may be more resistant to one than the other.

Originally posted by SamZED
Is it really underrated? I've seen him get stabbed by ordinary knives several times.

First and foremost, puncture is not the same as blunt impact, and Spiderman doesn't carry knives.

You can stab someone who is wearing a kevlar vest, the same vest that stops bullets.

Spiderman could beat an army of Batmans

Originally posted by Mindset
Spiderman could beat an army of Batmans

🙄

batman win in the opinion of mine

meow