Originally posted by thanos-prime
yet wolverine has been beaten by Electra on many occasions
The other elektra events were circumstances which heavily favor elektra and even sitll she never able to finish him.
Originally posted by thanos-prime
that i think daredevil would beat wolverine
Originally posted by thanos-prime
till daredevil starts using pressure points
Originally posted by MshinuDont need to 'cause im one of them. Holding back and pulling punches = fighting much slower and less effective. Man, you just can't admit you're wrong, can you? Fine, dont wanna take it from me, take it from a ma expert who has more experience than Rogers himself.
Actually it is a common knowledge for fighters who put a little bit of training into it, that pulling punches is easy and does not hinder your ability to move and land light punches as normal. I suggest you talk to someone who practices light contact sparring.
Originally posted by Mshinu🙄 Just another proof that you're debating about a character you dont read about. Kingpin got his ass handed to Parker SO BAD it was sad to read, and all 'cause Peter got MAD at him and started holding back LESS than usual. Fisk didn't hit him ONCE. Hell, even in the old books (when Parker was like 15-16) Fisk in a fight against Spider-man had to resolve to some stupid tricks like sleeping gas and cane-laser. Once Spider-man even took him down while one of his hand was broken. Oh btw I remember reading a Kingpin vs Cap fight where Fisk was completely owning his ass and he said something like "what chance do you have if i've withstood the might of Spider-man" while crushing Cap's back 😂
Huh? Spidey has lost to Kingpin because Fisk knows how to fight.
Originally posted by Mshinu🤨 strength means nothing? Spider-man never used his full strength in his fights against ma fighters without superdurability. That's why it means nothing. If he did use the strength it'd mean something, Something like a hole in the head for any of these fighters. I dont want you to show me scans of Spider-man holding back, I want you to show me RANDOM scans that prove that Cap's skill make him untouchable for opponents with superior speed, reflexes and agility.
Superpowered people gets taken down by skilled non-powered ones all the time. Peter is not immune to this either, in fact quite the opposite. I can post a few scans of Cap dominating spidey and strength meaning nothing if it will make you feel better.
Originally posted by MshinuWhat does that have to do with anything? Logan unlike Cap has adamantium skeleton and hf. And he unlike Spider-man doesn't hold back.
Hey I like the fact that characters can be hurt, makes for an interesting story. Wolverine can cut Peter`s head off too you know.
Originally posted by Mshinu
Says the guy that brought up Firelord....
Originally posted by MshinuBy "clearly more powerful" I meant that Spider-man is faster, stronger, has better reflexes, more durable, more agile, has ss to warn him of every coming attack and to pretty much tell him in which direction he should better dodge and has hard as still webbing and has 10 years of experience in using his powers while fighting all kinds of ninjas, monsters, aliens etc.. So yeah, imho that makes him "clearly more powerful" Cap on the other hand has ma training. Yay for him.
The spider is stronger if that is what you mean by powerful. There are still many who can outfight him.
Originally posted by MshinuYou just LOVE bringing up that "he always loses to ma fighters" without givving much details, im starting to think you're just saying it for the heck of it. Spider-man knocked Out Daredevil with a single punch, he completely wtfpwned Kingpin, in one of his recent books he (AFTER getting shot in BOTH legs and TORTURED for several hours) broke free and took down Bullseye WITHIN ONE SECOND and < ALL that WHILE HOLDING BACK. He was beating Deadpool AND at the age of 16 he fought Wolverine who COULDN'T tag him once until Spider-man allowed him to on purpose even thoguh according to Spider-man himself he was moving much slower than usually because he was scared. All these people are >>>>>>>>>>>>> than Spider-man in skills, yet he managed to fight them, beat most of them them, dodge all the attacks and land dozen punches relying on his powers alone and was holding back most of the time. Yet you keep insisting that after years of experience he wont be able to punch Cap ONCE.
Listen, Spidey is not that durable that he can`t be hurt by a punch by a human who really knows how to punch. For all his speed and spider sense he can still be hit by someone who got skills far surpassing Peter`s. He has trouble dealing with skilled fighters because he is not one himself. THAT is why he can be taken down by the "less powerful" as you call them.
Originally posted by SamZED
Dont need to 'cause im one of them. Holding back and pulling punches = fighting much slower and less effective. Man, you just can't admit you're wrong, can you? Fine, dont wanna take it from me, take it from a ma expert who has more experience than Rogers himself.
If it makes you slower you need to train more, it is easy to learn.
As for wolvie saying it makes spidey slower, well I must have overestimated his skills if he can`t even do this.
😂 I only brought Firelord to show an example of YOUR logic. Because your logic = "Spider-man beat Firelord in a book, so Spider-man >> Firelord" That's YOUR logic, NOT mine. You do realise that whenever you say Cap > Spider-man becuase he was winning in the comics it has "FAIL" written all over it because it only proves that Cap can beat an opponent who is holding back and doesn't want to fight him at all. But if THAT'S what you wanted in the first place, fine im ok with that..
You fail to grasp my logic. Lets try again. High level MAists are shown quite consistently able to hang with "the more powerful". Spidey is no exception. The beatings Cap has put on Spidey are so humiliating that even if he was holding back to a ridicolus level it shows he Can`t handle him even at peak.
Since Spidey is at least 15 times stronger than cap and got every other advantage except skill so it is obvious what makes the difference.
Anyway Cap does not want to seriously injure Peter either so the holding back goes both ways. Yes he CAN injure him. Using his shield he could put him out for good.
By "clearly more powerful" I meant that Spider-man is faster, stronger, has better reflexes, more durable, more agile, has ss to warn him of every coming attack and to pretty much tell him in which direction he should better dodge and has hard as still webbing and has 10 years of experience in using his powers while fighting all kinds of ninjas, monsters, aliens etc.. So yeah, imho that makes him "clearly more powerful" Cap on the other hand has ma training. Yay for him.
You just LOVE bringing up that "he always loses to ma fighters" without givving much details, im starting to think you're just saying it for the heck of it. Spider-man knocked Out Daredevil with a single punch, he completely wtfpwned Kingpin, in one of his recent books he (AFTER getting shot in BOTH legs and TORTURED for several hours) broke free and took down Bullseye WITHIN ONE SECOND and < ALL that WHILE HOLDING BACK. He was beating Deadpool AND at the age of 16 he fought Wolverine who COULDN'T tag him once until Spider-man allowed him to on purpose even thoguh according to Spider-man himself he was moving much slower than usually because he was scared. All these people are >>>>>>>>>>>>> than Spider-man in skills, yet he managed to fight them, beat most of them them, dodge all the attacks and land dozen punches relying on his powers alone and was holding back most of the time. Yet you keep insisting that after years of experience he wont be able to punch Cap ONCE.
He gets his wins but overall he still has a record of trouble handling fighters. Sure his spider sense helps him but sheer skill seems to bee to much for him once he slips up. Cap is a superb densive fighter and with his shield, right he won`t allow Spidey to hit him once before an opening presents itself and then BAM BAM.
As for the fight on the graveyard.. spidey "lured" Wolvie in and let him punch him in the face.. he is only alive because Logan retracted his claws. A good example of how the skilled Parker performs
Originally posted by Mshinu
Well Bats will probably put the fear of god in him. Heck Spiderman has admitted he fears the Rhino even.
I doubt Spiderman would be scared witless against Bruce, and even if there was a fear factor, it wouldn't prevent him from winning. Any fear would have the opposite effect.
