Originally posted by Survivor19Why would the power gem amp his tp?
I do not really understand how using TP will dpmehow help to 'bypass' the PG.
1) Thanos undoubtly has TP
2) Power gem amplifyes and backs up all and any powers its wielder posess. It can amp the mind gem as well3) Therefore, with PG Thanos's TP will be amped to the unknown extent.
By all means, continue now. It's entertaining.
Also, don't you tell Galactus what he will use or not. He will use what he will see fit.
Originally posted by quanchi112
When has Galactus ever dominated someone like so without first being invited there? Seriously. Galactus defended himself and that's it. Changing my quote to say snip is only further proving my case. It's also against the rules to do so.When has Galactus ever attacked anyone on the astral plane before to start a battle? Why didn't he attack Thanos there later when he confronted him?
Everytime you butcher the context of what actually happened and why it did I will expose you.
Thanos wins.
Your tunnel vision exposes you like a naked porn star.
Your "Why didn't he attack Thanos there later when he confronted him" flawed logic poses the question/happenstance:
Why didn't Galactus start the battle by shrinking Thanos to sub-atomic levels?
Why didn't Galactus grow to the size of a Sun when facing Thanos?
Why didn't Galactus transport Thanos back to the beginning of time and lock him in a time loop?
Why didn't Galactus transmute Thanos into jello?
Why didn't Galactus take Thanos to the astral plane and kill him there?
Again, let us invoke the rules:
The "No PIS" RulePIS = Plot Induced Stupidity
At times, for the sake of the plot, characters that are immensely more powerful than their opponent will "job" to carry on the plot of the story, even though the characters powers and history would clearly show that they are more than capable of destroying their opponent. For this reason we have a No PIS Rule. This rule prohibits the use of such instances of PIS from being used as evidence in debates.
No Mentioning Events of PIS
Plot Induced Stupidity, or PIS, is when characters don't use their abilities or skills to the fullest extent as shown before, even within their personality ranges, for the sake of the story plotline. It makes lesser powered characters an actual challenge against higher powered characters in the comics. Examples of PIS include Flash stories lasting longer than three panels, or Toy Man as a threat to Superman.
Thanos, by his own admission is "lilliputian" compared to Galactus in terms of power and versatility. Yet, for the sake of the story plotline Thanos only received an energy blast in their encounter. But now you repeatedly shove this out as your piece of evidence. Why didn't Galactus use TP to defeat thanos? Here is your answer: What you are doing is proffering an instance of PIS.
You want to stamp your feet so much that any clothing of logic or reason has slipped from your person and now you stand naked and exposed for invoking:
1. PIS
2. Limited capacity
We can do this all day; my responses simply need refer to the rules, until it's been stated that I've misinterpreted them or the rules are in fact rendered obsolete by newer ones.
There is no PIS in this battle. Galactus has full knowledge of his powers and how to use them. Cosmic awareness tells him Thanos has PG.
There is full capacity in this battle. Galactus uses any or all abilities he sees fit that is within his character. Ok. What's within character? TO KILL THANOS. He will eschew energy blasts and use the 10 or so other powers he has which you refuse to acknowledge because using them "isn't in his character" yet then explain how the rules should be interpreted. Explain what is meant by "full capacity" as well as "No PIS" in addition to "No mentioning of PIS"
Construct arguments that fall within the scope of those rules. All your arguments so far have fallen outside their scope.
This same logic will have you say in an LT vs. Thanos match, LT will only use energy blasts. 🙄
Originally posted by TenebrousThe point is the only reason we have ever seen Galactus attack someone in the astral plane was to defend himself. That's it. Since Thanos won't take him to the astral plane he won't be attacking Thanos in that fashion. Simple, unless you have any other examples of Galactus doing so.
Your tunnel vision exposes you like a naked porn star.Your "Why didn't he attack Thanos there later when he confronted him" flawed logic poses the question/happenstance:
Why didn't Galactus start the battle by shrinking Thanos to sub-atomic levels?
Why didn't Galactus grow to the size of a Sun when facing Thanos?
Why didn't Galactus transport Thanos back to the beginning of time and lock him in a time loop?
Why didn't Galactus transmute Thanos into jello?
Why didn't Galactus take Thanos to the astral plane and kill him there?
Again, let us invoke the rules:
Thanos, by his own admission is "lilliputian" compared to Galactus in terms of power and versatility. Yet, [b]for the sake of the story plotline
Thanos only received an energy blast in their encounter. But now you repeatedly shove this out as your piece of evidence. Why didn't Galactus use TP to defeat thanos? Here is your answer: What you are doing is proffering an instance of PIS.You want to stamp your feet so much that any clothing of logic or reason has slipped from your person and now you stand naked and exposed for invoking:
1. PIS
2. Limited capacityWe can do this all day; my responses simply need refer to the rules, until it's been stated that I've misinterpreted them or the rules are in fact rendered obsolete by newer ones.
There is no PIS in this battle. Galactus has full knowledge of his powers and how to use them. Cosmic awareness tells him Thanos has PG.
There is full capacity in this battle. Galactus uses any or all abilities he sees fit that is within his character. Ok. What's within character? TO KILL THANOS. He will eschew energy blasts and use the 10 or so other powers he has which you refuse to acknowledge because using them "isn't in his character" yet then explain how the rules should be interpreted. Explain what is meant by "full capacity" as well as "No PIS" in addition to "No mentioning of PIS"
Construct arguments that fall within the scope of those rules. All your arguments so far have fallen outside their scope.
This same logic will have you say in an LT vs. Thanos match, LT will only use energy blasts. 🙄 [/B]
Yes, Thanos cannot beat Galactus on his own in a straight up battle, but with the power gem he could most certainly do so. One blast from Galactus just to get through his one shield depleted vital energies increasing his hunger to feed.
No, it isn't. You cannot cite one example of Galactus ever initiating a battle on this plane on his own. Not one.
Again, it's about context and you still keep screaming pis. Context, plain and simple.
You cannot create false scenarios and argue in a cbrish type manner while ignoring the context of what Galactus was doing on the astral plane.
Thanos wins.
When has Galactus ever been stated to have cosmic awareness? I'm curious.
Originally posted by Survivor19Ok but you still have no evidence and we won't assume it amps tp.
You got me, heh.
I supposed that was in Thanos Quest, but after re-checking there is only backing up all other gems in the end.I still stand on grounds that if PG can amp MG, it can amplify all other TP as well, if wielder posess it.
Originally posted by Survivor19
You got me, heh.
I supposed that was in Thanos Quest, but after re-checking there is only backing up all other gems in the end.I still stand on grounds that if PG can amp MG, it can amplify all other TP as well, if wielder posess it.
Disagree. Backing up the gems =/= Backing up the actual power that the gems govern.
Originally posted by quanchi112
The point is the only reason we have ever seen Galactus attack someone in the astral plane was to defend himself. That's it. Since Thanos won't take him to the astral plane he won't be attacking Thanos in that fashion. Simple, unless you have any other examples of Galactus doing so.Yes, Thanos cannot beat Galactus on his own in a straight up battle, but with the power gem he could most certainly do so. One blast from Galactus just to get through his one shield depleted vital energies increasing his hunger to feed.
No, it isn't. You cannot cite one example of Galactus ever initiating a battle on this plane on his own. Not one.
Again, it's about context and you still keep screaming pis. Context, plain and simple.
You cannot create false scenarios and argue in a cbrish type manner while ignoring the context of what Galactus was doing on the astral plane.
Thanos wins.
You're saying that it's in Galactus' nature to be passive, and that's his norm.
You also state that Galactus responding with an energy blast instead of transmutation, time trapping, mental attack, etc. etc. are all cases of context, yet I clearly and oh so quietly responded by quoting the rules. If it looks like a scream to you, it's because the rules are screaming that you are wrong.
While it's in Galactus' nature to be passive, true, it is also in his nature to initiate attacks against foes whom he deems to be dangerous or foes he simply wants revenge against (the I-B, for instance). In this PARTICULAR case, Galactus has a desire to KILL thanos. Will he stand by passively and use energy blasts as he's been depicted using against lesser foes (the FF, the Avengers), thus clearly being instances of PIS (and NOT context...how is not transmuting your opponent or trapping them in a time loop not an instance of PIS if you have the capability to do it? Context is if some external force took away those capabilities or some prep device of Reed's rendered those powers inoperable, you are wildly flinging around the word context when you really mean PIS)
...or will he actually use ALL powers at his disposal and act according to his powers and intentions?
I already anticipated that you'd respond screaming context and "Thanos wins" without any substantiated proof so I pm'ed a mod about clarifications on the rules earlier today.
This is his response:
Generally for full capacity, the feat should have been done at least a few times and not include any sort of power up or be SmvFL or PIS. Superman doesn't go around speed blitzing people and usually will try to talk to a new foe before fighting. And then will only take things far enough for him to win. So that would be considered in character for Superman.But if Supes knows Doomsday is going to wreck a city and kill people then it's assumed he'll use any measure to stop Dooms Days quickly. So that would take into account prior knowledge, knowing a character from previous in comic encounters or basic knowledge, which is given to all combatants.
It's my opinion that Galactus knows Thanos and the power gem and would do whatever was necessary from the get go to stop him.
I hope that clears things up.
I'm going to refrain from dragging the mod into this directly but that is his input on the interpretation of the rules as it pertains to this discussion here.
As I've been saying:
1. Galactus senses Thanos has the PG with cosmic awareness and engages him WITH THE INTENT TO KILL.
2. Because he has the intent to kill, G will use ALL powers at his disposal as he deems necessary to kill Thanos. Cosmically aware of the PG, Galactus knows that a certain number of powers gives him the advantage here. He Takes him to the astral plane as Galactus has the capability to enter the astral plane. Thanos (you'll correct me if I'm wrong) cannot without 3rd party help.
3. Galactus overtakes him on the astral plane, and kills his avatar, thus killing Thanos proper.
We can even repeat the whole entire situation again, however instead of me saying that Galactus takes thanos to the astral plane, he simply locks Thanos in a Time loop which will perpetually reboot just as Thanos is about to fire his first blast. But that is another discussion.
When has Galactus ever been stated to have cosmic awareness? I'm curious.
I'm not going to give you all the answers man. Look it up. I'll even tell you to look at Secret Wars.
Originally posted by TenebrousNo, when did I say that. Another failed attempt at putting words in my mouth. I am not saying he will be passive I am saying he would never use such a tactic to attack someone and never has.
You're saying that it's in Galactus' nature to be passive, and that's his norm.You also state that Galactus responding with an energy blast instead of transmutation, time trapping, mental attack, etc. etc. are all cases of context, yet I clearly and oh so quietly responded by quoting the rules. If it looks like a scream to you, it's because the rules are screaming that you are wrong.
While it's in Galactus' nature to be passive, true, [b]it is also in his nature to initiate attacks against foes whom he deems to be dangerous or foes he simply wants revenge against (the I-B, for instance). In this PARTICULAR case, Galactus has a desire to KILL thanos.
Will he stand by passively and use energy blasts as he's been depicted using against lesser foes (the FF, the Avengers), thus clearly being instances of PIS (and NOT context...how is not transmuting your opponent or trapping them in a time loop not an instance of PIS if you have the capability to do it? Context is if some external force took away those capabilities or some prep device of Reed's rendered those powers inoperable, you are wildly flinging around the word context when you really mean PIS)...or will he actually use ALL powers at his disposal and act according to his powers and intentions?
I already anticipated that you'd respond screaming context and "Thanos wins" without any substantiated proof so I pm'ed a mod about clarifications on the rules earlier today.
This is his response:
I'm going to refrain from dragging the mod into this directly but that is his input on the interpretation of the rules as it pertains to this discussion here.
As I've been saying:
1. Galactus senses Thanos has the PG with cosmic awareness and engages him WITH THE INTENT TO KILL.
2. Because he has the intent to kill, G will use ALL powers at his disposal as he deems necessary to kill Thanos. Cosmically aware of the PG, Galactus knows that a certain number of powers gives him the advantage here. He Takes him to the astral plane as Galactus has the capability to enter the astral plane. Thanos (you'll correct me if I'm wrong) cannot without 3rd party help.
3. Galactus overtakes him on the astral plane, and kills his avatar, thus killing Thanos proper.
We can even repeat the whole entire situation again, however instead of me saying that Galactus takes thanos to the astral plane, he simply locks Thanos in a Time loop which will perpetually reboot just as Thanos is about to fire his first blast. But that is another discussion.
I'm not going to give you all the answers man. Look it up. I'll even tell you to look at Secret Wars. [/B]
Thanos has resisted reality warping before, the god of time Kronos can't simply drown him out in time and has resorted to creating his personal destroyer, he has never been transmuted since his rezz and if it were in the Surfer's power he could also employ such a tactic. You have to prove these win and also have to factor in what's in character for them to do.
We can't have superman using t-vo in every single battle just because he has before. We don't have Thor godblasting in every single thread. I mean you are acting like you are new here or something and are clinging to cbr rules.
Galactus also has blasted Thanos. He didn't attack his mind he only defended it. When he met up with him later he blasted Thanos. It's right in the comic. It's in character for Galactus to blast what's in his way into submission. That isn't going to help him here.
Again, you need to prove these tactics would work against the mighty Thanos. He has faced stiffer competition than Galactus before. He even helped him defeat the Hunger despite his cosmic awareness. Which comic and which page of secret wars?
1.I know Galactus is going to try to kill Thanos. When did I ever say otherwise?
2.When has Galactus ever initiated taking anyone to the astral plane? He defended himself there. It wasn't his idea to battle Thanos there. Context.
3.Galactus has NEVER INITIATED THIS BEFORE.
Prove that will work on Thanos. If the god of time itself can't easily drown Thanos out in time how can Galactus?
So you won't provide proof of your claim.