Thanos vs Galactus

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, when did I say that. Another failed attempt at putting words in my mouth. I am not saying he will be passive I am saying he would never use such a tactic to attack someone and never has.

Thanos has resisted reality warping before, the god of time Kronos can't simply drown him out in time and has resorted to creating his personal destroyer, he has never been transmuted since his rezz and if it were in the Surfer's power he could also employ such a tactic. You have to prove these win and also have to factor in what's in character for them to do.

We can't have superman using t-vo in every single battle just because he has before. We don't have Thor godblasting in every single thread. I mean you are acting like you are new here or something and are clinging to cbr rules.

Galactus also has blasted Thanos. He didn't attack his mind he only defended it. When he met up with him later he blasted Thanos. It's right in the comic. It's in character for Galactus to blast what's in his way into submission. That isn't going to help him here.

Again, you need to prove these tactics would work against the mighty Thanos. He has faced stiffer competition than Galactus before. He even helped him defeat the Hunger despite his cosmic awareness. Which comic and which page of secret wars?

1.I know Galactus is going to try to kill Thanos. When did I ever say otherwise?

2.When has Galactus ever initiated taking anyone to the astral plane? He defended himself there. It wasn't his idea to battle Thanos there. Context.

3.Galactus has NEVER INITIATED THIS BEFORE.

Prove that will work on Thanos. If the god of time itself can't easily drown Thanos out in time how can Galactus?

So you won't provide proof of your claim.

Going against the rules again huh? That's fine, we can agree to disagree, only the rules are on my side.

Galactus will use anything in his power to take out Thanos, because it's his intent to kill, which fits in with character, context, you name it. You think I mention this because you think I'm trying to press that on you? I keep mentioning it because it is in Galactus' CHARACTER.

Your whole argument is a farce. Until now I've refrained from using your own logic against you, but of course when you throw the rules down in a trash bin and continue to wish and cry about cbr...

When has Thanos ever blasted someone again and again into submission? NEVER.

When has Thanos used the power gem while using energy blasts again and again into submission? NEVER.

When has Thanos ever gained power, only to loose it? ALWAYS.

Imposing the same twisted logic you use against my position on your own position...we end up with Thanos not blasting Galactus repeatedly because he's never done that in his whole career!

We also end up with Thanos not using energy blasts with the power gem because he fought with his fists the one time he used it against all the heroes!

Because it's in his CHARACTER to do so and, that's the CONTEXT!

Please.

I mean you are acting the same stubborness...your opponent invokes rules that support his position and you come back with your own personal interpretations and flawed logic...no scans...no rules to back you up...no clarification of said rules to substantiate your claims...nothing but your flawed logic and reasoning. I don't even go on cbr yet you are intimately familiar with their rules and debate style, apparently.

Well, that's not good enough for me and will never be.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
aint it power gem alone that alowed Thanos to smash Caps sheild?

Yes, and Thanos used a punch, not an energy blast!

Originally posted by Tenebrous
Yes, and Thanos used a punch, not an energy blast!

Originally posted by quanchi112
I mean you are acting like you are new here or something and are clinging to cbr rules.

I use scans, I invoke rules, and I even solicit the opinion of a mod to interpret the rules just so there's no ambiguity.

The mod's response:

"It's my opinion that Galactus knows Thanos and the power gem and would do whatever was necessary from the get go to stop him."

i.e. use all the powers available at his command. Now you want to cry in a corner because Galactus' power set allows him to circumvent the powers of certain infinity gems, be by guest, but don't ever insist I'm wrong because I am supported by the rules, which are KMC's rules. I quoted them on three separate occassions to you. Read them..

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However your opinion on one who adheres to the rules, is supported by a mod's opinion, and backed with scans, is simply

Originally posted by quanchi112 I mean you are acting like you are new here or something and are clinging to cbr rules.

So you equate KMC rules with CBR rules. Good for you.

You'll make another post about context, Galactus doesn't do so and so, and I'll just quote my response here to you, I'm already resting easy with this because you have nothing to back up your claims aside from "Galactus doesn't do that in comics"

Well, this is a vs. forum, and he does do that here. Closed, done, finished, read up on the KMC rules.

Originally posted by Tenebrous
Going against the rules again huh? That's fine, we can agree to disagree, only the rules are on my side.

Galactus will use anything in his power to take out Thanos, because it's his intent to kill, which fits in with character, context, you name it. You think I mention this because you think I'm trying to press that on you? I keep mentioning it because it is in Galactus' CHARACTER.

Your whole argument is a farce. Until now I've refrained from using your own logic against you, but of course when you throw the rules down in a trash bin and continue to wish and cry about cbr...

When has Thanos ever blasted someone again and again into submission? NEVER.

When has Thanos used the power gem while using energy blasts again and again into submission? NEVER.

When has Thanos ever gained power, only to loose it? ALWAYS.

Imposing the same twisted logic you use against my position on your own position...we end up with Thanos not blasting Galactus repeatedly because he's never done that in his whole career!

We also end up with Thanos not using energy blasts with the power gem because he fought with his fists the one time he used it against all the heroes!

Because it's in his CHARACTER to do so and, that's the CONTEXT!

Please.

I mean you are acting the same stubborness...your opponent invokes rules that support his position and you come back with your own personal interpretations and flawed logic...no scans...no rules to back you up...no clarification of said rules to substantiate your claims...nothing but your flawed logic and reasoning. I don't even go on cbr yet you are intimately familiar with their rules and debate style, apparently.

Well, that's not good enough for me and will never be.

You're using a cbr type argument. We don't have Thor using the godblast in every vs thread on here. Do we? It's simple.

Thanos killed one of his clones with an eye blast. There's an example. Thanos attempted to blast Odin into submission. Would you like more examples of him using energy blasts to try and blast his opponents into submission?

Why wouldn't he do so? Why does Thanos fight unThanos like just because he has the power gem?

Thanos never lost the heart's power by the way. He gave it up so he could save the universe.

Yes, Thanos has. Every character he blasts doesn't fall over quickly and easily though. I mean come on.

I actually cited why they were on the astral plane not just a scan of Galactus defending himself there and acted like this is one of Galactus' standard method of attacks. You twist context to suit Galactus.

Originally posted by Tenebrous
I use scans, I invoke rules, and I even solicit the opinion of a mod to interpret the rules just so there's no ambiguity.

The mod's response:

"It's my opinion that Galactus knows Thanos and the power gem and would do whatever was necessary from the get go to stop him."

i.e. use all the powers available at his command. Now you want to cry in a corner because Galactus' power set allows him to circumvent the powers of certain infinity gems, be by guest, but don't ever insist I'm wrong because I am supported by the rules, [B]which are KMC's rules. I quoted them on three separate occassions to you. Read them..

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However your opinion on one who adheres to the rules, is supported by a mod's opinion, and backed with scans, is simply

So you equate KMC rules with CBR rules. Good for you.

You'll make another post about context, Galactus doesn't do so and so, and I'll just quote my response here to you, I'm already resting easy with this because you have nothing to back up your claims aside from "Galactus doesn't do that in comics"

Well, this is a vs. forum, and he does do that here. Closed, done, finished, read up on the KMC rules. [/B]

Did Galactus ever put another character into the astral plane that wasn't already there and mindrape him into submission?

When was Galactus stated to have cosmic awarness?

Has the Power Gem alone ever allowed its user to stand up to an abstract-level being?

"abstract level"?

is Galactus full fed in this fight? (if so this spite)

Originally posted by celestialdemon
Has the Power Gem alone ever allowed its user to stand up to an abstract-level being?

Originally posted by celestialdemon
Has the Power Gem alone ever allowed its user to stand up to an abstract-level being?

Owning a fully-prepped Strange is probably its best feat, besides statements like Thor becoming a universal threat and so on.

To the thread in general, it's definitely possible that the PG amps Thanos' TP. Even though the scan in which Thanos talks about the PG references the other gems only, it must be noted that he is speaking in context of the gems as a summary whole. If the PG gave Thor more strength and durability than before, it is already a given that the PG can act outside the jurisdiction of the other gems. Of course, the counter argument can be made that the PG only increases strength and durability on its own. Just throwing this possible explanation out there.

Galactus stomp..Thanos can't hope to win with PG alone..

Originally posted by quanchi112
You took the context out of the reason they were on the astral plane. You aren't going to get away with it.

Did Galactus ever put another character into the astral plane that wasn't already there and mindrape him into submission?

When was Galactus stated to have cosmic awarness?

Ah so Galactus waits for people he wants to kill to invite him to the astral plane? So you implicitly argue that Galactus....waits to be invited to the astral plane before he goes himself...and the person he wants to kill, he will just wait for an invitation from Thanos. I see why it's been so difficult for you to grasp.

FAIL.

As for cosmic awareness, look it up. I even told you were to look. Nevermind that the surfer has CA. Do we need to get into an argument of the nature of the Power Cosmic and the powers it grants? From whom the power cosmic comes from? Pathetic tactic.

I've been giving you knowledge, you've given me illogical reasoning, it's time you be proactive instead of reactive.

Originally posted by iceman24567

The Power Gem amps the other gems period 😐

And for the record, when harnessed fully,
the Power Gem then increases said one's powers into infinity.

This is why Warlock/PG (not even fully harnessed) owned Strange like a baby,
with just the Power Gem,
yes ... Dr Strange (fully prepped) and with ALL of his Talisman's combined.

Thor/PG who wasn't even near fully harnessing it,
ko'd Surfer/Warlock and Strange one shot style,
and this was while Warlock & Strange were throwing everything they had at em.

Now of course, these guys aren't Galactus,
but Eternity did say, that PG/Thor with time,
would be a threat to a good portion of all that is "Infinity" and himself.

Now, if we factor that this is Thanos with the PG,
we can safely guess just how far he could take it,
if Thor had such potential.

Imo, can't give Thanos the definite win,
but I don't see Galactus hurting Thanos here either.

I don't see how Thanos could counter him getting teleported to the Astral Plane.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Actually, the Power Gem augments one's inherent powers, not just the other Gems.

And for the record, when harnessed fully,
the Power Gem then increases said one's powers into infinity.

This portion here has always made me uncomfortable, even though it is generally along the line of thought that I subscribe to as well.

Assuming optimal usage of the PG on a character already possessing telepathic powers, for example, wouldn't the mind gem be made obsolete by the PG? Along the same lines, someone with a diverse powerset like SS would literally find the other gems useless as long as he could optimally use the PG, no? With that said, is this simplay another case of a different level of supreme authority or infinity if someone with the other related powers (speed, telepathic powers, matter manipulation etc) has optimal usage of the PG goes up against another being with no powers but who has the whole IG? According to the above train of thought, they would logically be equal.

Originally posted by Tenebrous
Ah so Galactus waits for people he wants to kill to invite him to the astral plane? So you implicitly argue that Galactus....waits to be invited to the astral plane before he goes himself...and the person he wants to kill, he will just wait for an invitation from Thanos. I see why it's been so difficult for you to grasp.

FAIL.

As for cosmic awareness, look it up. I even told you were to look. Nevermind that the surfer has CA. Do we need to get into an argument of the nature of the Power Cosmic and the powers it grants? From whom the power cosmic comes from? Pathetic tactic.

I've been giving you knowledge, you've given me illogical reasoning, it's time you be proactive instead of reactive.

So, you won't even tell me which issue out of 12 to look it up? When is it explained the Surfer has cosmic awareness? I'm merely asking you to back up your claims and you just name random stories. Tell me a page number and comic or else don't bring it up.

Thanos blasts Galactus into submission. It's that simple. Galactus fights in character out for the kill and he has never ever taken someone to the astral plane from reality in order to kill anyone.

Originally posted by occultdestroyer
I don't see how Thanos could counter him getting teleported to the Astral Plane.

It is my personal belief that the PG does amplify TP abilities that you might already posses. I don't think it amplifies it to the same degree the mind gem does which is specific to that area but does increase your superhuman abilities as I believe the description says. That being the case I'm not sure Galactus could take Thanos that way. Lets also remember that Thanos has his shields which Galactus even commented on were the hardest he's had to work to get through and depleted vital energies. So, if thanos has some time to get accustomed to the Gem and starts with shields up he blasts Galactus into submission. If he just gets the Gem and is dropped into battle I think Galactus takes a majority.

Originally posted by Ouallada
This portion here has always made me uncomfortable, even though it is generally along the line of thought that I subscribe to as well.

Assuming optimal usage of the PG on a character already possessing telepathic powers, for example, wouldn't the mind gem be made obsolete by the PG? Along the same lines, someone with a diverse powerset like SS would literally find the other gems useless as long as he could optimally use the PG, no? With that said, is this simplay another case of a different level of supreme authority or infinity if someone with the other related powers (speed, telepathic powers, matter manipulation etc) has optimal usage of the PG goes up against another being with no powers but who has the whole IG? According to the above train of thought, they would logically be equal.

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i'd thought the same thing. i liken the PG to the ultimate suppport system. i see it as a blunt tool, and the other gems as more refining tools. i think the PG WOULD amp 'any power' the wielder possesses. we don't define 'power' as simply brute force. it doesn't lend the other gems 'brute force'. i think it would suport and empower natural powersets that a being possess--make blasts more powerful, make tp more potent--whereas the mind gem would not only make tp more potent, it would also open up other NEW abilities altogether. if someone could alter reality without the PG it would increase the scope of their power. with the reality gem, the person could perhaps understand ways to further REFINE that power.

meh, that's kind of the way i see the gems working.

that being the case, i don't think g could overwhelm thanos even if he did choose to battle him telepathically.

i still think g could win if thanos hans't been allowed some time to let the gem suitably increase his power though.

Originally posted by leonidas
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i'd thought the same thing. i liken the PG to the ultimate suppport system. i see it as a blunt tool, and the other gems as more refining tools. i think the PG WOULD amp 'any power' the wielder possesses. we don't define 'power' as simply brute force. it doesn't lend the other gems 'brute force'. i think it would suport and empower natural powersets that a being possess--make blasts more powerful, make tp more potent--whereas the mind gem would not only make tp more potent, it would also open up other NEW abilities altogether. if someone could alter reality without the PG it would increase the scope of their power. with the reality gem, the person could perhaps understand ways to further REFINE that power.

meh, that's kind of the way i see the gems working.

that being the case, i don't think g could overwhelm thanos even if he did choose to battle him telepathically.

i still think g could win if thanos hans't been allowed some time to let the gem suitably increase his power though.

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