Originally posted by OualladaI was thinking this if the power gem amped tp aswell what the hell is the point of the mind gem?
This portion here has always made me uncomfortable, even though it is generally along the line of thought that I subscribe to as well.Assuming optimal usage of the PG on a character already possessing telepathic powers, for example, wouldn't the mind gem be made obsolete by the PG? Along the same lines, someone with a diverse powerset like SS would literally find the other gems useless as long as he could optimally use the PG, no? With that said, is this simplay another case of a different level of supreme authority or infinity if someone with the other related powers (speed, telepathic powers, matter manipulation etc) has optimal usage of the PG goes up against another being with no powers but who has the whole IG? According to the above train of thought, they would logically be equal.
Originally posted by quanchi112
That isn't failure that's explaining the context behind the scan you put up falsely representing it. Galactus didn't pull Thanos out of reality and take him to the astral plane. 😂
Complete failure as you are now implicitly arguing that Galactus is incapable of pulling people to the astral plane until they are there first and invite him to come. Or you are arguing that Moondragon has TP skills that are superior to Galactus', since it was Moondragon who prepped Thanos for the astral plane 😆
So, you won't even tell me which issue out of 12 to look it up? When is it explained the Surfer has cosmic awareness? I'm merely asking you to back up your claims and you just name random stories. Tell me a page number and comic or else don't bring it up.Don't ever tell me what to do. You want to question basic powers of characters, do your research. You want to question when Galactus has performed TP, I gave you a scan. You're reaching for anything to support your argument, such as proving Galactus has CA, and this tactic only grinds your argument further, which has already been crumbled into dust.
Thanos blasts Galactus into submission. It's that simple. Galactus fights in character out for the kill and he has never ever taken someone to the astral plane from reality in order to kill anyone.
LOL. Nevermind the fact that he was proceeding to Kill Thanos on the astral plane.
But in this fight, he forgets about that encounter because Thanos didn't send him an evite to come to the astral plane.
LOL.
Originally posted by Tenebrous
Complete failure as you are now implicitly arguing that Galactus is incapable of pulling people to the astral plane until they are there first and invite him to come. Or you are arguing that Moondragon has TP skills that are superior to Galactus', since it was Moondragon who prepped Thanos for the astral plane 😆Don't ever tell me what to do. You want to question basic powers of characters, do your research. You want to question when Galactus has performed TP, I gave you a scan. You're reaching for anything to support your argument, such as proving Galactus has CA, and this tactic only grinds your argument further, which has already been crumbled into dust.
LOL. Nevermind the fact that he was proceeding to Kill Thanos on the astral plane.
But in this fight, he forgets about that encounter because Thanos didn't send him an evite to come to the astral plane.
LOL.
Nobody is questioning that Galactus could take him if he choose to do so. What he's asking for are examples of when he's taken someone there to battle them when he's been confronted for a one v one situation. If he hasn't done that and certainly not regularly then how is that in character for Galactus to fight that way. Yes they fight at to the best of their abilities but they must also fight in character. Just like how it's not likely surfer will just open a black hole in someone head right from the start. When has he done that.. and thus it's not in character. It's pretty simple line of thought that your not really adressing and just focuing on if Galactus could do that.
Originally posted by iceman24567
I was thinking this if the power gem amped tp aswell what the hell is the point of the mind gem?
The mind gem would give you OTHER abilities you don't already have and open up new doors. The PG would just enhance the abilites you already have. Thus because Thanos already has very good TP it would make it that much stronger.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
The mind gem would give you OTHER abilities you don't already have and open up new doors. The PG would just enhance the abilites you already have. Thus because Thanos already has very good TP it would make it that much stronger.
That is the likely progression of logic, and is something I've considered as well. The only thing I have against that is that when the entire IG is used, I don't see any huge amount of versatility in any of the gems' aspects that really signify any forms of control that we have not seen on panel yet. From a purely speculative and logical point of view, there isn't really much a gem like the time gem could add, for instance, that a SS with optimal use of the PG would not have. The same applies to the space gem, whose uses are pretty straightforward and could conceivable be made obsolete by optimal usage of the PG as well.
We're probably on the right track here though. It always helps to clear up muddied stuff about the PG, as its often one of the most difficult items to gauge accurately on these forums.
Originally posted by TenebrousI am saying it isn't in character for Galactus to ever rip someone out of reality into the astral plane. When has he ever done it? He defended himself there against Thanos. Galactus doesn't mindrape people into submission. Thor doesn't use the godblast in every vs thread either. You are trying to bring cbr rules into a kmc style debate. Sorry, I won't allow it.
Complete failure as you are now implicitly arguing that Galactus is incapable of pulling people to the astral plane until they are there first and invite him to come. Or you are arguing that Moondragon has TP skills that are superior to Galactus', since it was Moondragon who prepped Thanos for the astral plane 😆Don't ever tell me what to do. You want to question basic powers of characters, do your research. You want to question when Galactus has performed TP, I gave you a scan. You're reaching for anything to support your argument, such as proving Galactus has CA, and this tactic only grinds your argument further, which has already been crumbled into dust.
LOL. Nevermind the fact that he was proceeding to Kill Thanos on the astral plane.
But in this fight, he forgets about that encounter because Thanos didn't send him an evite to come to the astral plane.
LOL.
If you can't back up your claims just say so. When someone asks you to back up your case you don't just name random stories. I guess he doesn't have cosmic awareness or else you would have proven it to me.
I knew the context behind why he performed the tp which you have been running from ever since. I use context while you don't. Don't ever think I'll let you get away with it. Now if you don't back up your claim I'll ignore your claim from now on.
Because Thanos wanted to try and defeat him in this manner. Galactus didn't bring Thanos into the astral plane. That's a key point. Galactus tried defending himself there. That's it. I am rather tired of repeating the circumstances behind your scan.
Thanos wins this all ten due to the power gem. Galactus depletes vast energies while Thanos can deflect and or just blast him into submission.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I am saying it isn't in character for Galactus to ever rip someone out of reality into the astral plane. When has he ever done it? He defended himself there against Thanos. Galactus doesn't mindrape people into submission. Thor doesn't use the godblast in every vs thread either. You are trying to bring cbr rules into a kmc style debate. Sorry, I won't allow it.If you can't back up your claims just say so. When someone asks you to back up your case you don't just name random stories. I guess he doesn't have cosmic awareness or else you would have proven it to me.
I knew the context behind why he performed the tp which you have been running from ever since. I use context while you don't. Don't ever think I'll let you get away with it. Now if you don't back up your claim I'll ignore your claim from now on.
Because Thanos wanted to try and defeat him in this manner. Galactus didn't bring Thanos into the astral plane. That's a key point. Galactus tried defending himself there. That's it. I am rather tired of repeating the circumstances behind your scan.
Thanos wins this all ten due to the power gem. Galactus depletes vast energies while Thanos can deflect and or just blast him into submission.
Way to ignore the rules and go against the opinion of a mod who applied those rules in a decision.
I won't ever allow you to impose falsities and insufficient logic to an already won debate. Galactus has the will and ability to kill thanos on the astral plane.
You want to argue that he's going to wait until Thanos invites him there so he can kill him? So thanos can invite himself to his own death, be my guest.
Cosmic awareness is NOT a claim. Do you claim Superman to have freeze breath? of course not. Do you claim Superman to have super strength? This is common accepted knowledge and there's a litany of issues that deal with cosmic awareness, I WILL NOT be dictated to by the inferior debater and have supreme comfort that the rules back me up, your limitations of knowledge concerning certain characters are none of my concern...if you wanted me to prove that Cyclops is on the X-Men, i'd still send you off to do your own research. If you're too lazy to read secret wars, then that's your problem quanchi, not mine
The rules back my logic, a mod backs my logic, the scans back my logic, and all you can do is mount a feeble posture of Galactus having to wait until invited to the astral plane, simply because he doesn't take opponents there unless they invite him first. Laughable.
You are trying to bring cbr rules into a kmc style debate. Sorry, I won't allow it.
The "No PIS" Rule
PIS = Plot Induced Stupidity
At times, for the sake of the plot, characters that are immensely more powerful than their opponent will "job" to carry on the plot of the story, even though the characters powers and history would clearly show that they are more than capable of destroying their opponent. For this reason we have a No PIS Rule. This rule prohibits the use of such instances of PIS from being used as evidence in debates.
Full Capacity
It is assumed that each contestant will fight to his/her best ability, but still within the character's personality, unless specified otherwise. That means they will use any powers at their disposal. For example, even though The Flash doesn't clock each of his own opponents in the first millisecond in his own comic, it is assumed that is a viable tactic on this board since it is a proven fact that he possesses that level of speed.
It is also assumed that the characters fight at their optimum levels of ability - not explicitly weakened or unusually powered up for those who have variable power levels.
No Mentioning Events of PIS
Plot Induced Stupidity, or PIS, is when characters don't use their abilities or skills to the fullest extent as shown before, even within their personality ranges, for the sake of the story plotline. It makes lesser powered characters an actual challenge against higher powered characters in the comics. Examples of PIS include Flash stories lasting longer than three panels, or Toy Man as a threat to Superman.
Character Induced Stupidity, or CIS, on the other hand, refers to any natural mental limitations that characters impose upon themselves and reduce their ability to use their own skills and powers effectively. Unlike PIS, CIS does not occur because the plot requires it, but because the character is genuinely that dumb. Examples of the CIS-afflicted include characters such as Rhino or Jar Jar Binks. Events of CIS are not exempt from debates.
"Generally for full capacity, the feat should have been done at least a few times and not include any sort of power up or be SmvFL or PIS. Superman doesn't go around speed blitzing people and usually will try to talk to a new foe before fighting. And then will only take things far enough for him to win. So that would be considered in character for Superman.
But if Supes knows Doomsday is going to wreck a city and kill people then it's assumed he'll use any measure to stop Dooms Days quickly. So that would take into account prior knowledge, knowing a character from previous in comic encounters or basic knowledge, which is given to all combatants.
It's my opinion that Galactus knows Thanos and the power gem and would do whatever was necessary from the get go to stop him.
I hope that clears things up."
-KMC Moderator
You won't ever allow superior logic to bring you up to a new level, yes I know.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Nobody is questioning that Galactus could take him if he choose to do so. What he's asking for are examples of when he's taken someone there to battle them when he's been confronted for a one v one situation. If he hasn't done that and certainly not regularly then how is that in character for Galactus to fight that way. Yes they fight at to the best of their abilities but they must also fight in character. Just like how it's not likely surfer will just open a black hole in someone head right from the start. When has he done that.. and thus it's not in character. It's pretty simple line of thought that your not really adressing and just focuing on if Galactus could do that.
No it's not in SS's character to open up the fight right away. As I've been stating it IS in Galactus' character to KILL Thanos. The power gem presents a situation where killing Thanos is unlikely; Galactus knows this through extensive experience both opposing the gems as well as possessing them. Characters have prior knowledge of each other if they have encountered each other before, that's a default setting.
CA let's Galactus know Thanos has the power gem. If this were an ordinary opponent then the case can be built that Galactus doesn't contend against them on the astral plane; however this is Thanos, whom Galactus has the intent to KILL, and has nearly done so on the astral plane before.
Now which is less in character; for Galactus go into a battle with the intent to kill using energy blasts against an infinity-gem possessing Thanos, or for Galactus to go into battle with the intent to kill using a technique which nearly worked before, which also happens to give him greater chance of achieving his goal?
You can argue the first and that's fine, as I've already reiterated my points ad infinitum and even had clarification from a mod, who has read the thread and pm'd me his interpretation of the rules in regards to this contest.
Originally posted by Tenebrous
No it's not in SS's character to open up the fight right away. As I've been stating it IS in Galactus' character to KILL Thanos. The power gem presents a situation where killing Thanos is unlikely; Galactus knows this through extensive experience both opposing the gems as well as possessing them. Characters have prior knowledge of each other if they have encountered each other before, that's a default setting.CA let's Galactus know Thanos has the power gem. If this were an ordinary opponent then the case can be built that Galactus doesn't contend against them on the astral plane; however this is Thanos, whom Galactus has the intent to KILL, and has nearly done so on the astral plane before.
Now which is less in character; for Galactus go into a battle with the intent to kill using energy blasts against an infinity-gem possessing Thanos, or for Galactus to go into battle with the intent to kill using a technique which nearly worked before, which also happens to give him greater chance of achieving his goal?
You can argue the first and that's fine, as I've already reiterated my points ad infinitum and even had clarification from a mod, who has read the thread and pm'd me his interpretation of the rules in regards to this contest.
Agreed entirely.
Originally posted by TenebrousIgnoring the rules. 😂 Way to ignore the context behind the situation. I will now put up scans bringing together the entire situation. I will never take anything you ever put up as evidence again. You like I said put up an alternate reality feat for Galactus in the past, refused to back up your claim with even a page number, and lied about Thanos and Galactus' meeting in the astral plane while trying to go for the cbr win which doesn't even work on here.
Way to ignore the rules and go against the opinion of a mod who applied those rules in a decision.I won't ever allow you to impose falsities and insufficient logic to an already won debate. Galactus has the will and ability to kill thanos on the astral plane.
You want to argue that he's going to wait until Thanos invites him there so he can kill him? So thanos can invite himself to his own death, be my guest.
Cosmic awareness is NOT a claim. Do you claim Superman to have freeze breath? of course not. Do you claim Superman to have super strength? This is common accepted knowledge and there's a litany of issues that deal with cosmic awareness, I WILL NOT be dictated to by the inferior debater and have supreme comfort that the rules back me up, your limitations of knowledge concerning certain characters are none of my concern...if you wanted me to prove that Cyclops is on the X-Men, i'd still send you off to do your own research. If you're too lazy to read secret wars, then that's your problem quanchi, not mine
The rules back my logic, a mod backs my logic, the scans back my logic, and all you can do is mount a feeble posture of Galactus having to wait until invited to the astral plane, simply because he doesn't take opponents there unless they invite him first. Laughable.
The "No PIS" Rule
PIS = Plot Induced Stupidity
At times, for the sake of the plot, characters that are immensely more powerful than their opponent will "job" to carry on the plot of the story, even though the characters powers and history would clearly show that they are more than capable of destroying their opponent. For this reason we have a No PIS Rule. This rule prohibits the use of such instances of PIS from being used as evidence in debates.
Full Capacity
It is assumed that each contestant will fight to his/her best ability, but still within the character's personality, unless specified otherwise. That means they will use any powers at their disposal. For example, even though The Flash doesn't clock each of his own opponents in the first millisecond in his own comic, it is assumed that is a viable tactic on this board since it is a proven fact that he possesses that level of speed.
It is also assumed that the characters fight at their optimum levels of ability - not explicitly weakened or unusually powered up for those who have variable power levels.No Mentioning Events of PIS
Plot Induced Stupidity, or PIS, is when characters don't use their abilities or skills to the fullest extent as shown before, even within their personality ranges, for the sake of the story plotline. It makes lesser powered characters an actual challenge against higher powered characters in the comics. Examples of PIS include Flash stories lasting longer than three panels, or Toy Man as a threat to Superman.Character Induced Stupidity, or CIS, on the other hand, refers to any natural mental limitations that characters impose upon themselves and reduce their ability to use their own skills and powers effectively. Unlike PIS, CIS does not occur because the plot requires it, but because the character is genuinely that dumb. Examples of the CIS-afflicted include characters such as Rhino or Jar Jar Binks. Events of CIS are not exempt from debates.
"Generally for full capacity, the feat should have been done at least a few times and not include any sort of power up or be SmvFL or PIS. Superman doesn't go around speed blitzing people and usually will try to talk to a new foe before fighting. And then will only take things far enough for him to win. So that would be considered in character for Superman.
But if Supes knows Doomsday is going to wreck a city and kill people then it's assumed he'll use any measure to stop Dooms Days quickly. So that would take into account prior knowledge, knowing a character from previous in comic encounters or basic knowledge, which is given to all combatants.
It's my opinion that Galactus knows Thanos and the power gem and would do whatever was necessary from the get go to stop him.
I hope that clears things up."
-KMC Moderator
You won't ever allow superior logic to bring you up to a new level, yes I know.
Here is how it all starts. It is Thanos that initiates their encounter on the astral plane through moondragon's aid not Galactus.
Galactus just needs to blink his eye to join Thanos. Galactus has never and I repeat never dragged an unwilling participant into the astral plane. Context.
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/thanos03_08.jpg
Here in my second scan even Galactus agrees that on this plane that it ensures Thanos' continued existence. Why would Galactus employ a tactic he has never done before and one in which he finds easier for Thanos to evade him in?
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/thanos03_09.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/thanos03_10-1.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/thanos03_11.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/thanos03_12.jpg
Here Galactus tries to kill Thanos for his actions.
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/thanos03_13.jpg
Here Thanos easily evades this attempt and galactus himself agrees he would never be this easy to kill.
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/thanos03_14.jpg
I have owned you with each and every scan. Furthermore, Thanos initiated this meeting and left when he wanted to. Galactus even backed up the fact it would be harder to kill Thanos here which Thanos set up than in reality further backing up my case. Even Galactus agrees with me. You can't twist the comic into something it never was.
Cosmic awareness is a claim. Frostbreath is a common ability while ca isn't for either the surfer or Galactus. You again aren't backing up your claim. If it's that easy why not supply me with a page number of secret wars. I'd love to hear why you believe the surfer has cosmic awareness as well.
Again, you cannot back up your claims, lied in the past by providing an alternate reality feat of Galactus' speed, and lied in this very thread acting as if Galactus took Thanos into the astral plane when he set it up and left on his own accord very easily. Galactus doesn't have cosmic awareness to my knowledge and neither does the Surfer. The Surfer has enhanced cosmic senses. Quasar briefly had it I believe along with Photon, Maelstrom, and Epoch off the top of my head.
Again, the scans are up so you stop with the charade of Galactus ever initiating or taking someone to the astral plane ever again. Galactus was taken there and was out for Thanos at the end of their meeting and from that point on. Galactus has never used that tactic and only came under Thanos' invitation.
Like I said, Thanos wins.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Here in my second scan even Galactus agrees that on this plane that it ensures Thanos' continued existence. Why would Galactus employ a tactic he has never done before and one in which he finds easier for Thanos to evade him in?http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/thanos03_09.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/thanos03_10-1.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/thanos03_11.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/thanos03_12.jpgHere Galactus tries to kill Thanos for his actions.
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/thanos03_13.jpg
Here Thanos easily evades this attempt and galactus himself agrees he would never be this easy to kill.
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/thanos03_14.jpg
Originally posted by Eternal IdolI never said otherwise, but Thanos leaves when he wants to. Galactus admitted it's better for Thanos to be on the astral plane than in reality. Galactus never has taken anyone there before and since. It was Thanos who set this up. Tenebrous was misrepresenting what actually happened and left out the fact that Thanos easily left while Galactus didn't summon him right back. He never has inititiated this on his own, ever.
In those last two scans, it looks to me like Galactus was referring more to Thanos' cunning/elusiveness than his actual durability. Galactus was about to f*** Thanos up on the astral plane, and Thanos practically admits it.
Originally posted by UtrigitaWhen has Galactus ever taken an unwilling participant to the astral plane? I put up the scans and still people are using this misrepresented scene.
Galactus for the win, astral plan ore forceblock isolation ore simply teleporting the Power Gem out of Thanos grip.
You can't easily teleport the power gem away or else Thanos, Strange, et.l would easily have done so to Thor.
Well that does shed some light on Tene claims about the Astral Plane. Clearly, by Galactus own words it WOULDN"T be beneficial for him to take Thanos there. He admits here that thanos can just evade things easier there and can leave when he wants. Nevermind, the fact that it ISN'T in character for him to take him there in the first place. In order for something to be in character he has to do it at least sometimes not NEVER. Whatever Mod ruled on this clearly didn't see the scans quan put up which indicates by Galactus own words it is harder to kill Thanos there then in reality. Thus the tactic used by Tene to give Galactus the win doesn't seem probable or likely. Galactus usually goes blast for blast with people and if he does that here Thanos will win. However, Galactus does have other options at his disposal to win as well.
