Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Rob pretty much made it clear why.
You didn't prove anything.
Quoting another poster does nothing to prove your point, especially when that poster does not provide any feats or post those feats.
Also, this was comparing Spiderman's durability to The Comedian's durability.
Originally posted by dadudemon
And that Ozy is pretty effin' strong.That feat alone puts both the Comedian and Ozy at superhuman.
Hollis Mason disagrees with you. His movie canon book "Under the hood" reveals (along with the movie itself) that the coming of Manhattan in the 60s was the dawn of the superhero.
Everyone else was a simple "masked avenger"
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Hollis disagrees with you. His movie canon book "Beneath the hood" reveals (along with the movie itself) that the coming of Manhattan in the 60s was the dawn of the superhero.
Too bad the movie has superhuman feats. Since we go by movie feats, Ozy has superhuman strength and time perception.
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Everyone else was a simple "masked avenger"
By some definitions, some superheros can just be masked heros.
I think someone is forgetting Uncle Ben's law, which Peter adheres to: "With great power comes great responsibility." Peter isn't a murderer, he holds back.
Anyone arguing that a guy who can stop a speeding train and support several tons, can't knock-out someone because "he didn't do it", is factually being an ass.
For the record though, Spider-man did beat someone the **** up, he beat Harry (who is super-powered) into a pulp, when the gloves came off.
Originally posted by dadudemon
You didn't prove anything.Quoting another poster does nothing to prove your point, especially when that poster does not provide any feats or post those feats.
Also, this was comparing Spiderman's durability to The Comedian's durability.
Okay, jack-ass, further proof:
Spider-man; here's why:
A lot stronger - Stopping the train, holding the cable trolley filled with people, supporting the wall.
More durable - Bomb blowing up in face, being punched by super-powered guys lilke the Goblin who is equal in strength to Spider-man, thrown through walls, being pounded on by a 5-story tall Sandman.
Spider-sense - Early warning system
Webbing - Can be used offensively in multiple ways, is extremely strong
Greater agility - Various feats, one great one was the instant twisting while flying through the gated path in SM2, another was dodging gunfire as dodging varyies projectiles from Goblin and New Goblin.
Arguably more speed - Dodging the gunfire, the fight scene with Flash, Flash was punching way faster than anyone in Watchmen. Ozy grabbing the bullet is way impressive though, so like I said, it's arguable, they're probably close here.
So out of the six specs above, Ozy has [arguably] one on Spider-man.
Originally posted by Robtard
Okay, jack-ass, further proof:Spider-man; here's why:
A lot stronger - Stopping the train, holding the cable trolley filled with people, supporting the wall.
Granted.
Originally posted by Robtard
More durable - Bomb blowing up in face, being punched by super-powered guys lilke the Goblin who is equal in strength to Spider-man, thrown through walls, being pounded on by a 5-story tall Sandman.
Peter was also bleeding and damaged. 🙂
You've got all of the other ones, though. By all accounts, if a bomb that blasted PP a few feet, damaged his face, then why did not the massive amount of force from ultra Sandman no bust open PP? The way I estimate the numbers, the force, per square inch, would be much greater when sandman was hitting him. Not only would it have shredded PP's costume, it would have busted his skin open. It should have also crushed him. But it didn't.
Originally posted by Robtard
Spider-sense - Early warning system
Rarely used and proved to have little advantage in the movies. We have the Flash coming up behind PP. In the burning building. The trays falling. Any others?
Originally posted by Robtard
Webbing - Can be used offensively in multiple ways, is extremely strong
Which ways did he use his webbing, offensively?
Originally posted by Robtard
Greater agility - Various feats, one great one was the instant twisting while flying through the gated path in SM2, another was dodging gunfire as dodging varyies projectiles from Goblin and New Goblin.
Originally posted by Robtard
Arguably more speed - Dodging the gunfire, the fight scene with Flash, Flash was punching way faster than anyone in Watchmen. Ozy grabbing the bullet is way impressive though, so like I said, it's arguable, they're probably close here.
I detect a bias, now. No, the fight at the beginning of the film was superior to any fight in the Spiderman films, in terms of speed, and fighting ability.
Originally posted by Robtard
So out of the six specs above, Ozy has [arguably] one on Spider-man.
Speed, and the ability to react, and brains, I give to Ozy. These are his, easily.
Durability and strength go to Spidey, easily.
This is why Ozy wins this, imo.
Give Ozy prep and Spidey prep....PP goes down. (lol?)
Considering what he's been through, some blood and pain is nothing. 🙂
That's enough to count, he has it, he used it; it helped him. It's a valuable asset. I detect bias here in trying to make Spider-sense out to be nigh-useless.
Sticking people up, sticking things and then using the webbing as a fulcrum to launch said items, those web-balls he fired at Harry, it's an offensive weapon, or can be, that webbing. Ozy wouldn't be able to break free, going by maximum strength feats for Ozy and the webbing.
The Ozy/Comedian fight was more bad- ass, but in terms of raw speed, Flash was punching like a mofo and Peter was dodging, super-speed dodging. Remember how slow Flash's fist appeared to Peter from his heightened perspective?
Speed, arguably, if so not by much, as they're close. Ability to react goes to Peter, his super-speed combined with the spider-sense give him the edge.
With prep sure, as Veidt would/could use his genius and billions to set-up a scenario where Spider-man would die and Veidt wouldn't need to get his hands dirty. Straight up fight, Veidt gets punched through the face.
Given the tram puts lift Spider-man's in the class 10 range as in the ability to lift 10 tons. Given their back and forth fighting and struggling i'd figure that Goblin is in the same range. Meaning that when Goblin throws something. Its coming damn fast. Infact assuming rough parity between his lifting and throwing ability. That is to say something like 20x the best real world athlete(1000lbs vs 10 tons) then Goblins projectiles are probably traveling at around 300fps or 20x faster then the fastest recorded fast ball which clocks in around 150pfs. For the sake of safe range in estimates though lets assume that Goblin is only half as strong as Spider-man and doesn't have the throwing skill of pro-ball players so can only throw half as fast. His projectiles are still going to be traveling at 500-700fps. The muzzle velocity on a Colt .45 Auto is 400fps and other pistols range in the area of 500-800fps. Which means even low balling it Peter was dodging multipile projectiles moving at bullet speed. Where as Ozy barely got away with one. In other words Pete has a major speed/reaction time advantage.
Originally posted by dadudemon
I see more durability and strength for spiderman. Fighting speed easily goes to Ozy, though.Intelligence easily goes to Veidt.
Depends on what Veidt brings to the match, as far as weapons goes. What did he use in the movie, other than his bullet proof hands, lol.
Including PIS, Spiderman can't punch hard enough to knock someone out. hahaha
Veidt can, though.
He lost to the Comedian, but later wipes the floor with the Comedian. The Comedian could punch through walls....and get his head busted through thick marble counters, by Ozy.
Ozy certainly has much more strength than a normal human. His reaction time is so fast that an unskilled eye would mistake it for precognition on terms with Jedi ability.
To me, the only thing Ozy needs to win is some sore of weapon. But, I refuse to give Ozy any weapons he didn't use in the film.
So, unless Ozy has a weapon such as a sword or gun, Spiderman wins. If Ozy gets even something such as as sword, he wins no problem. He just doesn't have the ability to break through Spiderman's tough skin....skin that should be tougher than the Comedians absurdly tough skin.
So, Ozy with sword or better. Spiderman if Ozy is unarmed.
Someone clarify if Ozy had any weapons in the film. I've only seen the movie once...when it first came out.
Until Ozy stops a subway train with sheer strength and determination alone he has nothing on spiderman strength wise.
Also I think spider-man still has more fighting speed than Ozy. True ozy was catching bullets and shit, but spider man straight up dodges them like their nothing. When he faught doc ock he had to be incredibly fast at attacking which he was. Not to mention in spider man 3 in the beginning when he faught Harry.
Originally posted by Kaibs
Also I think spider-man still has more fighting speed than Ozy. True ozy was catching bullets and shit, but spider man straight up
dodges them like their nothing.
I disagree. Ozy has Spiderman beaten in spades, on fighting speed.
Ozy dodges bullets like they're nothing, and, unlike Spiderman, he was dodging them from a highered assassin, not a bank robbing street thug.
Spiderman was also moving around while the assassin was mere feet away while pointing a gun at a stationary Ozy. he dodged the bullets AFTER the gun was fired, while staring right down the barrel. That's faster reaction than any speed feat we get from spiderman.
Originally posted by Kaibs
When he faught doc ock he had to be incredibly fast at attacking which he was. Not to mention in spider man 3 in the beginning when he faught Harry.
Doc Oc is also fully human. Spiderman couldn't even knock out Doc Oc with punches when his Aunt was in danger.
Originally posted by Robtard
That's enough to count, he has it, he used it; it helped him. It's a valuable asset. I detect bias here in trying to make Spider-sense out to be nigh-useless.
I just don't see Spiderman using it very much in actual fights for one reason:
It's almost useless because Spiderman is so durable, agile, and fast anyway.
They basically nulled that ability. Where does he use it in the second and third films?
Originally posted by Robtard
Sticking people up, sticking things and then using the webbing as a fulcrum to launch said items, those web-balls he fired at Harry, it's an offensive weapon, or can be, that webbing. Ozy wouldn't be able to break free, going by maximum strength feats for Ozy and the webbing.
I agree. Ozy would not be able to break free...unless he had a weapon like a sword. And, dodging those web-balls would be a breeze for Ozy. They would be far slower than those bullets he dodged. 😉
Originally posted by Robtard
The Ozy/Comedian fight was more bad- ass, but in terms of raw speed, Flash was punching like a mofo and Peter was dodging, super-speed dodging. Remember how slow Flash's fist appeared to Peter from his heightened perspective?
I'm still going with the Ozy Comedian fight as faster and far more complex. That fight, alone, give Ozy a fighting feat that is greater than anything Spiderman does in all three films, in terms of complexity and speed.
Originally posted by Robtard
Speed, arguably, if so not by much, as they're close. Ability to react goes to Peter, his super-speed combined with the spider-sense give him the edge.
Yeah, it goes to Ozy on speed, no doubt.
Originally posted by Robtard
With prep sure, as Veidt would/could use his genius and billions to set-up a scenario where Spider-man would die and Veidt wouldn't need to get his hands dirty. Straight up fight, Veidt gets punched through the face.
Indeed.
In fact, I am guilty of gimping, here.
I just gimped Ozy by not giving him prep. He has one of the greatest minds on Earth, if not THE greatest mind on Earth. I just gimped him of one of his best if not the best asset of his.
This is what I was talking about when I said almost every thread is a gimp thread.
DDM,
2nd film, when he grabs Mary Jane, dives and dodges the Saturn that Ock threw through the Cafe' window. He was warned first by his Spider-sense. He would have been hit by the car and MJ killed, had he not had it.
3rd film: Can't recall, only watched it once, as it's pure shit.
Prep is somewhat silly, as most inferior people could defeat greater opponents with prep, just a matter of how much prep you give them. Remember the Lex Luther Vs Hogwarts thread, were Luthor got a year of prep (or some other ridiculous amount of time).