Originally posted by Robtard
Very doubtful Ozy can react faster, despite your insistence, the movie feats prove you likely wrong.
Movie feats prove the exact opposite, actually.
Here's an example.
Peter Parker is dodging those blade star thingies. He barely dodges them.
They are traveling MUCH slower than bullets.
🙂
Originally posted by Robtard
Veidt by all accounts has peak human durability, he bruised and bleed when Niteowl beat on him; while Niteowl is very strong, he has nothing compared to how hard a person of Spider-man's strength could dish out, considering he'd be unrestrained in this fight.
Yet, Oto didnt' even bleed or bruise.
Therefore, Niteowl is > Spiderman in strenght. 😆
Originally posted by Robtard
Using the 'Doc Ock being punched' is a fail, Parker isn't a murderer and he's held in check by Uncle Ben's Law.
Right...cept, not. He was trying to save Aunt May from certain death, after he had killed multiple people. Knocking out Doc Oc would've been a great thing to do.
Here's another reason:
How fast Parker's hands were moving. They were moving just as fast as a regular person's. In order for him to generate more force, he'd have to move them faster. Simply physics. This is why he wasn't punching through Doc Oc's head.
Knowing that, that would explain many other things, too.
But, fact is, Ozy is faster. Significantly faster.
However, Ozy can't block and dodge Parker's punches all day. Ozy has to have something that can damage Parker, like a blade. Punches will do jack against Spiderman.
I have to watch the movie again to see if Ozy has any weapons besides his fists.
Originally posted by Robtard
Forgot to add:Even with a sword, Ozy's not hitting Spider-man before he gets his face punched in. A full-blow from Parker even in the shoulder would cripple Ozy.
This also isn't taking into account the webing he'd likely recieve via long range before the fight came to close quarters.
Only way Ozy wins here, is with extensive prep and Parker being ignorant to the plot.
That's why they are in a warehouse packed with stuff. It gives Ozy plenty of room to dodge as well as Spiderman.
I wanted this versus to be more ability thinking on their feet and ability.
Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
id say that a sword would actually be a hindrance. contrary to what final fantasy and naruto say it takes more effort to swing a sword then to throw a punch. fighting with a sword makes you slower and offers you less angles of attack then if youre fighting with your hands. thus itd be poor judgment on your part to make yourself even slower against someone who can already dance around you in circles with his superior speed.
Yeah, except, no.
The blade travel's faster because of simple lever physics. Veidt has more than enough reaction advantage on Spidey. He is also much more intelligent than spidey, making the sword and ance fight more of a Chess match for Veidt.
Parker would be on the defense, the whole time.
Also, there's other blades that could be used for their advantage, too.
And, since when does bringing a sword into a fight mean jack? If H2H combat was faster, then we wouldn't have things such as swords. That's a very poor reason to cite using a sword as bad.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Movie feats prove the exact opposite, actually.Here's an example.
Peter Parker is dodging those blade star thingies. He barely dodges them.
They are traveling MUCH slower than bullets.
🙂
Yet, Oto didnt' even bleed or bruise.
Therefore, Niteowl is > Spiderman in strenght. 😆
Right...cept, not. He was trying to save Aunt May from certain death, after he had killed multiple people. Knocking out Doc Oc would've been a great thing to do.
Here's another reason:
How fast Parker's hands were moving. They were moving just as fast as a regular person's. In order for him to generate more force, he'd have to move them faster. Simply physics. This is why he wasn't punching through Doc Oc's head.
Knowing that, that would explain many other things, too.
But, fact is, Ozy is faster. Significantly faster.
However, Ozy can't block and dodge Parker's punches all day. Ozy has to have something that can damage Parker, like a blade. Punches will do jack against Spiderman.
I have to watch the movie again to see if Ozy has any weapons besides his fists.
There were also several of them he had to keep tract of while twisting and dodging out of the way. Considering Goblin's strength, they were likely traveling extremely fast.
To ignore Parker's punching power in regards to his strength is just foolish, so you should stop. If Parker had taken out Ock with one hit, there wouldn't have been a movie.
Ozy couldn't block Parker's hits, they'd shatter him if he tried. As far as dodging, it's likely he couldn't dodge more than one.
Originally posted by dadudemonAnd, since when does bringing a sword into a fight mean jack? If H2H combat was faster, then we wouldn't have things such as swords. That's a very poor reason to cite using a sword as bad.
Because people who historically fought with swords didn't fight super-powered beings and when you do connect with a sword, it's more damaging than a punch.
Originally posted by Robtard
There were also several of them he had to keep tract of while twisting and dodging out of the way. Considering Goblin's strength, they were likely traveling extremely fast.
Cept, not even anywhere close to bullets. 🙂
Originally posted by Robtard
To ignore Parker's punching power in regards to his strength is just foolish, so you should stop. If Parker had taken out Ock with one hit, there wouldn't have been a movie.
We can only go by movie feats, nothing else. We also have physics on our side now, too.
Originally posted by Robtard
Ozy couldn't block Parker's hits, they'd shatter him if he tried. As far as dodging, it's likely he couldn't dodge more than one.
He can. Now that I've figured out why Parker doesn't knock out regular humans with ease (it's a physics problem), then I understand.
Ozy can block them, no problem.
The problem is Ozy knocking out Parker or even damanging him.
We already know Ozy is faster than Parker, and Ozy's reaction time is better. It's just proving whether or not Ozy has a blade of some sort to damage parker.
Originally posted by Robtard
Because people who historically fought with swords didn't fight super-powered beings and when you do connect with a sword, it's more damaging than a punch.
R U kidding me?
Parker doesn't fight as fast as some real world humans. Fact.
He is good at dodging...but actually fighting, he throws punches just as slow as an average joe.
Originally posted by dadudemon
The blade travel's faster because of simple lever physics.
only on the downward stroke. the 'wind-up" of the blow takes longer however.
And, since when does bringing a sword into a fight mean jack? If H2H combat was faster, then we wouldn't have things such as swords. That's a very poor reason to cite using a sword as bad. [/B]
because a sword can end a fight in one blow regardless of where it hits even when people are wearing armor. a punch can not. that has to do with all the extra momentum behind a sword swing. notice that in my post i never said anything about the strength and cutting power only the speed.
Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
only on the downward stroke. the 'wind-up" of the blow takes longer however.
No, any time the blade is moving about a fulcrum, it travels much faster than the hands.
And, knowin Ozy, his blade would be ultra touch experimental metal that is also ultra light.
And, no, "wind up sword" strikes if for amatures, Claymores, and certain types of swings.
Nice try, but the sword slowness argument is a logical fallacy.
Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
because a sword can end a fight in one blow regardless of where it hits even when people are wearing armor. a punch can not. that has to do with all the extra momentum behind a sword swing. notice that in my post i never said anything about the strength and cutting power only the speed.
Doesn't change the fact that your argument is invalid. If we were talking about an unangered Reed Richards, you may have a point, but we are talking about a person whose reaction time is faster than PP's and has mastered many martial arts.
Originally posted by dadudemon
R U kidding me?Parker doesn't fight as fast as some real world humans. Fact.
He is good at dodging...but actually fighting, he throws punches just as slow as an average joe.
No, super-powered beings don't actually exist.
I believe Ms. Marvel's point was that hitting Parker with a sword would be a bit harder than punching him, due to his speed/agility. Not the other way around.
Originally posted by dadudemon
No, any time the blade is moving about a fulcrum, it travels much faster than the hands.
no.
And, knowin Ozy, his blade would be ultra touch experimental metal that is also ultra light.
no.
Doesn't change the fact that your argument is invalid. If we were talking about an unangered Reed Richards, you may have a point, but we are talking about a person whose reaction time is faster than PP's and has mastered many martial arts.
this doesnt even conflict with anything ive said.
Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
such as?
I don't understand the question. We are talking about real world martial artists versus PP's in movie fight scenes.
Why are you asking this question? If you are asking because you would like to know the names of real world martial artists who are faster than PP, then I cite every single one who has trained for a while.
If you want real names, just google search and any of them should work.
Originally posted by dadudemon
I don't understand the question. We are talking about real world martial artists versus PP's in movie fight scenes.Why are you asking this question? If you are asking because you would like to know the names of real world martial artists who are faster than PP, then I cite every single one who has trained for a while.
If you want real names, just google search and any of them should work.
how about you just answer the question instead of dodging it?
Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
no.
Basic physics. You can't deny it.
Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
no.
Yup. Sure would. Why would he use anything else? Do you have evidence that he would use something else?
Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
this doesnt even conflict with anything ive said.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Cept, not even anywhere close to bullets. 🙂We can only go by movie feats, nothing else. We also have physics on our side now, too.
He can. Now that I've figured out why Parker doesn't knock out regular humans with ease (it's a physics problem), then I understand.
Ozy can block them, no problem.
The problem is Ozy knocking out Parker or even damanging him.
We already know Ozy is faster than Parker, and Ozy's reaction time is better. It's just proving whether or not Ozy has a blade of some sort to damage parker.
We don't actually know, considering Goblin's physical strength, could be faster. Like I said pages ago, if anything, it's close.
Then if we do apply the laws of physics, someone with enough strength to stop a speeding out of control train can generate enough force to punch through a skull 🙂
He could try to block Peter's blows, they'd just shatter his arms and legs, due to the force and small area of contact, you know, physics.
Originally posted by dadudemon
What you said doesn't even conflict with what I said, hence why I said it. You can't make a strawman argument. Either negate my points or don't respond. That's how it works.
theres nothing to argue against. you havent even tried to back up anything youve said. why should i bother making any effort to do anything?