Ozymandias vs. Spiderman.

Originally posted by Robtard
DDM,

2nd film, when he grabs Mary Jane, dives and dodges the Saturn that Ock threw through the Cafe' window. He was warned first by his Spider-sense. He would have been hit by the car and MJ killed, had he not had it.

I remember that, now. But it wasn't in a fight....like being in a warehouse and getting surprised by Ozy.

Originally posted by Robtard
3rd film: Can't recall, only watched it once, as it's pure shit.

It wasn't pure shit....but it certainly wasn't what I wanted.

Originally posted by Robtard
Prep is somewhat silly, as most inferior people could defeat greater opponents with prep, just a matter of how much prep you give them. Remember the Lex Luther Vs Hogwarts thread, were Luthor got a year of prep (or some other ridiculous amount of time).

But when a character's major defining ability is his brain, then that is his weapon.

PP is smart, but not as smart as Veidt.

I would put Veidt higher than Read Richards, especially considering he's every bit, if not more so, intelligent as Reed Richards, but unlike Reed, he isn't absent minded and fully understands manipulation of people. He's like Doom, Reed, and Danzo (from Naruto) all rolled up into one person.

This is why Ozy has been gimped, by me.

Capturing or killing Spiderman would be easy for Ozy...with only an hour of prep.

Dude, you're spitting-hairs here, and being willfully stupid in the process. Spider-sense acts as an early warning system to danger, the end.

Na, it was pure shit, even had corn in it. I try to imagine that SM3 doesn't exist.

I've agreed that with prep, Veidt can win. He'd need more than an hour to set up some scheme to defeat Spider-man, cuz catching him by surprise and relying solely on that isn't going to win the day for him, it's going to end with his pretty-boy face being punched through.

Is Spider man's punching power still being questioned?

The only question is, would it go completely through Veidt's head or just cave in his face.

I'm thinking the former, if this is Spider-man unrestrained.

IMO, Ozy's face would end up like Rudy Tomjanovich's.

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Originally posted by Robtard
Dude, you're spitting-hairs here, and being willfully stupid in the process. Spider-sense acts as an early warning system to danger, the end.

You missed the part in one of my others posts that says he rarely uses it because he simply doesn't need it due to his speed and agility.

Originally posted by Robtard
Na, it was pure shit, even had corn in it. I try to imagine that SM3 doesn't exist.

Damn. It must have really made you sad, then.

Originally posted by Robtard
I've agreed that with prep, Veidt can win. He'd need more than an hour to set up some scheme to defeat Spider-man, cuz catching him by surprise and relying solely on that isn't going to win the day for him, it's going to end with his pretty-boy face being punched through.

I disagree. Veidt is so far up there in intelligence that he is seen watching a shit load of stations at once. This is "comfortable" to him as any less isn't enough for him to feel comfortable and relaxed. That puts him far above human level. He is well into the superhuman level on intellect, which is why he can dodge bullets AFTER they are fired at him when he's stationary...from just a few feet.

Not as good as spidey sense.

Ozzy is only human, no matter how powerful humans are depicted.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Not as good as spidey sense.

Ozzy is only human, no matter how powerful humans are depicted.

A human with super human speed, strength, agility, and intelligence. 🙂

All those first attributes are matched by or excelled at by Herr VanSpiiiiiderhoffen.

The intelligence, sure, Parker, being a big science freak, may be a little behind Ozzymandias, but his much proven instinct/comabat intelligence more than looks after him just fine.

Parker seemed to be able to hang with Octavius who was no schmuck, in the cerebral stakes, either...

Originally posted by dadudemon
A human with super human speed, strength, agility, and intelligence. 🙂

Nothing close to Spider-Man.

When he's swinging around New York, climbing on walls and able to lift as much, maybe.

-AC

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
All those first attributes are matched by or excelled at by Herr VanSpiiiiiderhoffen.

Not speed. Agility, yes, but he moves faster and in one definition, that would make him more agile.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
The intelligence, sure, Parker, being a big science freak, may be a little behind Ozzymandias, but his much proven instinct/comabat intelligence more than looks after him just fine.

Parker is really smart, but not even close to Ozy.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Parker seemed to be able to hang with Octavius who was no schmuck, in the cerebral stakes, either...

Sort of. He's not quite the mind of Octavius, but he was able to understand what Doc Oc was doing.

He moves faster and has spidey sense. The combination of the that and the way thatSpidey seems to experince slowtime perception, make Spidey the fav for speed.

So you agree that he is no dumbass himself, and is basically not gonna get retarded out of this fight, then?

What the hell is this? Are we seriously comparing Blake's durability to Spider-Man's?

I always thought Watchmen(minus Manhattan) vs Spider-Man would be a good match.

Parker likely tear right through them, with a combo of webbing, flips, punches and kicks, their human durability being the greatest weak-spot.

Niteowl's laser be a good weapon, doubt it's ever find it's target though.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
He moves faster

I disagree, based on fact.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
and has spidey sense.

Ozy' reaction time is better. Ozy > Spiderman's spidersense.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
The combination of the that and the way thatSpidey seems to experince slowtime perception, make Spidey the fav for speed.

No, Ozy's perception is just as slow, if not slower, and he can avoid MUCH faster objects.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
So you agree that he is no dumbass himself, and is basically not gonna get retarded out of this fight, then?

PP is a VERY smart person. But he can't hold a candle to Veidt.

Originally posted by Robtard
Parker likely tear right through them, with a combo of webbing, flips, punches and kicks, their human durability being the greatest weak-spot.

Niteowl's laser be a good weapon, doubt it's ever find it's target though.

See, Ozy can react faster than Spiderman and he also has superhuman durability (not on scale with spiderman, though). Veidt could easily take several punches from Spiderman, no problem. This is fact. See Oto vs. Spidey.

But, like I said, unless Veidt gets some sort of hard metal object, like a sword, he is losing this fight.

IMO, Veidt can't block the strong punches and kicks from Spiderman as long as Spiderman can keep it up. Spiderman's endurance should be > Ozy's, imo.

Very doubtful Ozy can react faster, despite your insistence, the movie feats prove you likely wrong.

Veidt by all accounts has peak human durability, he bruised and bleed when Niteowl beat on him; while Niteowl is very strong, he has nothing compared to how hard a person of Spider-man's strength could dish out, considering he'd be unrestrained in this fight.

Using the 'Doc Ock being punched' is a fail, Parker isn't a murderer and he's held in check by Uncle Ben's Law.

Forgot to add:

Even with a sword, Ozy's not hitting Spider-man before he gets his face punched in. A full-blow from Parker even in the shoulder would cripple Ozy.

This also isn't taking into account the webing he'd likely recieve via long range before the fight came to close quarters.

Only way Ozy wins here, is with extensive prep and Parker being ignorant to the plot.

id say that a sword would actually be a hindrance. contrary to what final fantasy and naruto say it takes more effort to swing a sword then to throw a punch. fighting with a sword makes you slower and offers you less angles of attack then if youre fighting with your hands. thus itd be poor judgment on your part to make yourself even slower against someone who can already dance around you in circles with his superior speed.