Rips him apart? Kain can survive as weather particles, ripping him aparts going to do nothing. Tk is the only weapon M2 has that is of any use in this fight, Ill w8 until someone who actually knows M2 shows a feat of him doing something impressive and quickly with his TK that would destroy/disrupt Kain enough for him to be unable to kill M2.
He has disrupted weaher patterns from what Ive heart, how quickly he did it and how much concentration he required i dont know.
Unless their unarmed Kain can use their own weapons against them even if he does not have the interest in mind controlling or disrupting them in that way.
Depending on M2 speed at using Psychic power, Kain could just turn into mist and when he tries his little weather manip, turn back into solid Kain and slice M2's head off. The guy has a fast mind but that does not mean his body can react as quickly nor does it mean he can call upon his power as fast.
MewTwo is FAR faster than Dragonite, who flies at 2500 miles per hour.
He uses his powers instantly, and he didn't need to concentrate at all to /kill everyone on the planet with a storm./
Also, he can literally use disable on Kain's abilities to stop him from using them entirely.
Disable mist, use Shadow ball. GG.
Isn't there a scene in the beginning of MewTwo just sitting there waving his wrist in a circle? Then it cuts out to the sky and the clouds are swirling?
MewTwo didn't just disrupt weather patterns, he manipulated the weather to create a storm powerful enough to destroy the world.
"Speed of psychic power?" Are you serious? Psychic power moves as fast as thought, duh.
Kain can't manipulate Mist form as well as you want him to. Unless of course you can provide a video of him doing something other than dashing lazily to the side.
Originally posted by Burning thought
but can he do this within 1/2 seconds...I doubt it....And most of these sound overrated, ive had Trance Kuja debates before and the best opponetns could come up with is Kuja survived Bahmahts breath.....
I dont remember M2 [b]ever
mind controlling or indeed mind wiping anyone in that movie, show me.....All i remember is M2 bending Allakazams spoons or something like that. [/B]
it was basically instant, upon return back to gaia Kuja already had the planet being covered in mist, which recently the only thing making mist was destroyed.
he also can quickly create the creatures from mist, bahamut's attack nearly destroyed an entire city before he was stopped & it wasn't even Kuja's trance form who took the attack
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
MewTwo is FAR faster than Dragonite, who flies at 2500 miles per hour.He uses his powers instantly, and he didn't need to concentrate at all to /kill everyone on the planet with a storm./
Also, he can literally use disable on Kain's abilities to stop him from using them entirely.
Disable mist, use Shadow ball. GG.
Great, very useful when kain just teleports, covering no physical space at all and appears next to him. Also show me M2 faster than this speed.
lol he never killed everyone on the planet and I just watched some M2 vids, he concentrates all the time, especially when he first begins he takes like 2/3 seconds to charge his power.
Disables pokemon DNA powers.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Isn't there a scene in the beginning of MewTwo just sitting there waving his wrist in a circle? Then it cuts out to the sky and the clouds are swirling?MewTwo didn't just disrupt weather patterns, he manipulated the weather to create a storm powerful enough to destroy the world.
"Speed of psychic power?" Are you serious? Psychic power moves as fast as thought, duh.
Kain can't manipulate Mist form as well as you want him to. Unless of course you can provide a video of him doing something other than dashing lazily to the side.
I dunno but theres a scene where hes in a tank and he wakes up and takes several seconds to charge his power and an effort of will for each of his abiltiies. Its about as fast as Kains TK, only more powerful.
false, psychic power needs concentration as M2 shows us.
Mist form is just him with concious control over his form in mist. In-game he uses it to pass through grates (showing control over mist through objects and able to part the mist) and can control it from blowing around so he controls its form as well. Kain describes it:
"When in mist form, I am invulnerable to physical weapons, blade and claw. I can seep through locked doors and cracks and move swiftly, like a shadow fleeing light."
Originally posted by SpadeKing
it was basically instant, upon return back to gaia Kuja already had the planet being covered in mist, which recently the only thing making mist was destroyed.he also can quickly create the creatures from mist, bahamut's attack nearly destroyed an entire city before he was stopped & it wasn't even Kuja's trance form who took the attack
Show me?
Originally posted by Burning thought
Disables pokemon DNA powers.I dunno but theres a scene where hes in a tank and he wakes up and takes several seconds to charge his power and an effort of will for each of his abiltiies. Its about as fast as Kains TK, only more powerful.
false, psychic power needs concentration as M2 shows us.
Mist form is just him with concious control over his form in mist. In-game he uses it to pass through grates (showing control over mist through objects and able to part the mist) and can control it from blowing around so he controls its form as well. Kain describes it:
I need to know what you're talking about with the bold.
Thats where the movie first starts, and he literally just woke up after having a dream. Its the first time he was ever awake.
You would have to prove theres any kind of strong wind and would have to prove he can hold it for prolonged periods of time.
I've no doubt MewTwo can TK Kain's mist form as well.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
I need to know what you're talking about with the bold.Thats where the movie first starts, and he literally just woke up after having a dream. Its the first time he was ever awake.
You would have to prove theres any kind of strong wind and would have to prove he can hold it for prolonged periods of time.
I've no doubt MewTwo can TK Kain's mist form as well.
Its not directed at you 🙂
Yeh, damned shame for him....
hes outside all the time, I dont have to prove any of those things based on the fact he can hold it indefinatley in Blood omen. Theres also no logical strain on his being for him not to be able to hold it. its not magical, its just a skill he can do through supernatural means.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Its not directed at you 🙂Yeh, damned shame for him....
hes outside all the time, I dont have to prove any of those things based on the fact he can hold it indefinatley in Blood omen. Theres also no logical strain on his being for him not to be able to hold it. its not magical, its just a skill he can do through supernatural means.
Well if its something as full of fail as what you usually say, I'd like to be able to yell at you for it. I'm just REALLY hoping you weren't planning on saying that it only disables Pokemon abilities.
As usual, over look or ignore the point. Good job. 👆
So? If there's no wind then it means nothing. MewTwo could just mess with him and hurl a rock at him to scatter the mist and laugh as Kain's consciousness fades from existence because he can't pull himself together.
So far there's no reason to believe he can change direction mid form, maintain the form if scattered, or even survive if the vapor was to come under extreme heat or sunlight.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Rips him apart? Kain can survive as weather particles, ripping him aparts going to do nothing. Tk is the only weapon M2 has that is of any use in this fight, Ill w8 until someone who actually knows M2 shows a feat of him doing something impressive and quickly with his TK that would destroy/disrupt Kain enough for him to be unable to kill M2.
Ripping Kain apart is not the same as Kain going into his mist form. One is a voluntary seperation of condensed gas, the other is a sudden, involuntary, shredding of solid flesh.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Rips him apart? Kain can survive as weather particles, ripping him aparts going to do nothing. Tk is the only weapon M2 has that is of any use in this fight, Ill w8 until someone who actually knows M2 shows a feat of him doing something impressive and quickly with his TK that would destroy/disrupt Kain enough for him to be unable to kill M2.
Shadowcat can phase through solid material and survive while intangible. Ramming her head through a wall won't do anything to her at all...wait...what?
Originally posted by MooCowofJusticeAs usual, over look or ignore the point. Good job. 👆
So? If there's no wind then it means nothing. MewTwo could just mess with him and hurl a rock at him to scatter the mist and laugh as Kain's consciousness fades from existence because he can't pull himself together.
So far there's no reason to believe he can change direction mid form, maintain the form if scattered, or even survive if the vapor was to come under extreme heat or sunlight.
As usual playing silly bugger, good job. 👆
Theres always air current....hes outside so that means hes stopping his mist from being blown away. cant pull himself together? he does it all the time and try tossing rock into mist, it doesnt suddenly blow apart....it just flies through it.. thing is M2 wont get the chance, Kain would have beheaded him before the rock flies at him.
Well yes there is, he seeps through objects as a form and can reform solid afterwards, as i said, seeps through objects, his mist would have to be seperated to go through bars for example. heat/sunlight does not destroy mist, it may simply make more which will make it harder for m2, who is already dead by now.
Originally posted by XanatosForever
Ripping Kain apart is not the same as Kain going into his mist form. One is a voluntary seperation of condensed gas, the other is a sudden, involuntary, shredding of solid flesh.
Point being Kain can transform his body and control its form even when made of a diffrent material and all over the place, cutting him up will be useless, he will just mist and reform.
Originally posted by Burning thought
As usual playing silly bugger, good job. 👆Theres always air current....hes outside so that means hes stopping his mist from being blown away. cant pull himself together? he does it all the time and try tossing rock into mist, it doesnt suddenly blow apart....it just flies through it.. thing is M2 wont get the chance, Kain would have beheaded him before the rock flies at him.
Well yes there is, he seeps through objects as a form and can reform solid afterwards, as i said, seeps through objects, his mist would have to be seperated to go through bars for example. heat/sunlight does not destroy mist, it may simply make more which will make it harder for m2, who is already dead by now.
Point being Kain can transform his body and control its form even when made of a diffrent material and all over the place, cutting him up will be useless, he will just mist and reform.
Thank you for proving my point.thumbup
Haven't you ever been outside on a day with no wind? The air feels pretty damn still, and that's because it is.
The rock could be very large. Even if its smaller the wind gust following it will blow the mist form apart, quickly separating it farther apart than Kain can reform from.
And no. You prey on Kain's teleportation like its real speed. MewTwo has his own barrier that blocks pretty much anything.
Do you know why fog disappears after it shows up in the morning? Because it starts to mix more with the air above it when the sun rises. The sun warms the air causing it to rise.
Again though. All of this is irrelevant since MewTwo can just mind wipe him. And the mind wipe is irrelevant because he doesn't get through the first fight.
Edit: Kain needs to demonstrate an ability to mist and reform his body after having a limb severed too by the way.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Thank you for proving my point.thumbupHaven't you ever been outside on a day with no wind? The air feels pretty damn still, and that's because it is.
The rock could be very large. Even if its smaller the wind gust following it will blow the mist form apart, quickly separating it farther apart than Kain can reform from.
And no. You prey on Kain's teleportation like its real speed. MewTwo has his own barrier that blocks pretty much anything.
Do you know why fog disappears after it shows up in the morning? Because it starts to mix more with the air above it when the sun rises. The sun warms the air causing it to rise.
Again though. All of this is irrelevant since MewTwo can just mind wipe him. And the mind wipe is irrelevant because he doesn't get through the first fight.
Edit: Kain needs to demonstrate an ability to mist and reform his body after having a limb severed too by the way.
I have had fairly dry days but there is always air or a breeze no matter how small, but not atop a large castle on top of a mountain or indeed, exploring around those mountains themselves.
Nope not true, you dont get wind gusts that toss mist apart when objects fall through it. and blow it far apart where Kain can reform from? give me the logical reasoning for this, it makes no sense to belive Kain canot reform from mist from any distance as long as he has shown to be able to survive while its seperated from him.
No, its better than speed.
Fog does not disapear and Kain is not just normal mist, as he exists in many temperatures throughout the game, especially light. And the sun causing air to rise means little when Kain is in control of his form.
M2 could alter his mind to forget he was in a location...oh wait...no he cant because Kain is already at that location and even in his youth has resisted a far more powerful mind controller.
nope, hes already demonstrated that he can have his mist particles seperated, he does it all the time, he has full control over it. Thats like saying somebody else cutting off one of Jedahs limbs would kill him where his own seperation of a limb would not. Its illogical, Kain would reform from physical destruction.
Originally posted by Burning thought
I have had fairly dry days but there is always air or a breeze no matter how small, but not atop a large castle on top of a mountain or indeed, exploring around those mountains themselves.Nope not true, you dont get wind gusts that toss mist apart when objects fall through it. and blow it far apart where Kain can reform from? give me the logical reasoning for this, it makes no sense to belive Kain canot reform from mist from any distance as long as he has shown to be able to survive while its seperated from him.
No, its better than speed.
Fog does not disapear and Kain is not just normal mist, as he exists in many temperatures throughout the game, especially light. And the sun causing air to rise means little when Kain is in control of his form.
M2 could alter his mind to forget he was in a location...oh wait...no he cant because Kain is already at that location and even in his youth has resisted a far more powerful mind controller.
nope, hes already demonstrated that he can have his mist particles seperated, he does it all the time, he has full control over it. Thats like saying somebody else cutting off one of Jedahs limbs would kill him where his own seperation of a limb would not. Its illogical, Kain would reform from physical destruction.
How does it not make sense? The greater the distance you have separated your body in any different form would have to make it harder to pull yourself back together. Its like Sandman, he can only maintain control when each particle of sand is still within a specific distance.
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Right, silly me. Fog doesn't disappear, I forgot. I could have just looked out my window and taken a look at the fog that's been there since the day I was born if I needed a reminder.
A mind controller more powerful than MewTwo...no.
Yeah, but he hasn't demonstrated an ability to reform by mist after having a limb severed. There's no reason to believe he can since that limb would be separated, and as such he cannot turn it to mist. And no, it's not like saying that at all. It's like saying that I can maintain mental control over a limb that no longer has contact with my brain.