Kain runs a Gauntlet

Originally posted by Burning thought
So your talking gameplay mechanics then by the sounds of it? 😬

And gastly according to:

http://www.pokemondb.co.uk/pokedex/gastly

Is suspectable to fire, water, etc...so much for being ethereal, these are physical forces so obviously being classed as a ghost pokemon has little to do with anything, psychic simply does more damage than usual in gameplay.

in the Pokeverse those are considered elemental/energy attacks. A glacier falling on Ghastly will do nothing, but an icebeam from Dewgong will.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Or the pokemon are Ethereal and can be hurt by energy attacks just like any ethereal creature in any fiction. Psychic attacks happen to be good at it. Kain has no way of defending himself from MewTwo, who can TK his freaking mist form, disable him, tear him apart, strike him down with a shadow ball, disperse him, turn him to stone, paralyze him, put him to sleep, ect.

Has Disable worked on anything outside of Pokemon?

I've been preaching the evaporation and separation defense for Kain's useless Mist form for the last two pages. BT just doesn't get it.

wei he didnt mean disable the move, he meant disable as in keep kain from doing anything, psychic lock.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
in the Pokeverse those are considered elemental/energy attacks. A glacier falling on Ghastly will do nothing, but an icebeam from Dewgong will.

In the pokeverse ala gameplay mechanics? have these statistics been used in actual canon?

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Or the pokemon are Ethereal and can be hurt by energy attacks just like any ethereal creature in any fiction. Psychic attacks happen to be good at it. Kain has no way of defending himself from MewTwo, who can [b]TK his freaking mist form, disable him, tear him apart, strike him down with a shadow ball, disperse him, turn him to stone, paralyze him, put him to sleep, ect. [/B]

All those highlighted are either false due to M2 taking too long to concentrate before he is himself destroyed or are just lists of things he can do in general that would not be effective against Kain. M2 only hope would be to stop Kain from doing things, if Kain is physical, smash him, if he turns mist, manip the mist but from recently looking at M2 vids, it seems he needs to concentrate a fair deal before he actually fullfills various effects, including damage.

haermm You realise MewTwo is superior to Kain in every way, right?

Faster, stronger, more durable, smarter, better powers.

He doesn't need to concentrate do do anything, hell, he can maintain a world wide storm, and simultaneously combat Mew o_O

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
haermm You realise MewTwo is superior to Kain in every way, right?

Faster, stronger, more durable, smarter, better powers.

He doesn't need to concentrate do do anything, hell, he can maintain a world wide storm, and simultaneously combat Mew o_O

All of these statements are either false or irrelvent

Faster- teleportation>speed

stronger- when? actual feats, not gameplay numbers

durability- same as above

smarter? the guy apprently has all these TK powers yet when facing perhaps his greatest nemesis uses shadow balls.....not really smarter, Kain has far more intellectual feats.

better powers? all he can do is cause some concentrated physical effects, he just has more powerful TK.

he just stimulates the weather, where is it stated he is constantly maintaining it? hell whos to say this is even difficult or that hes not concentrating? perhaps thats why he is pathetic in combat through most of the film....

He concentrates on most levels and its not likely its going to avail him, one teleport and slash and M2 falls lifelessly and headless to the ground.

Originally posted by Burning thought
All of these statements are either false or irrelvent

Faster- teleportation>speed

stronger- when? actual feats, not gameplay numbers

durability- same as above

smarter? the guy apprently has all these TK powers yet when facing perhaps his greatest nemesis uses shadow balls.....not really smarter, Kain has far more intellectual feats.

better powers? all he can do is cause some concentrated physical effects, he just has more powerful TK.

he just stimulates the weather, where is it stated he is constantly maintaining it? hell whos to say this is even difficult or that hes not concentrating? perhaps thats why he is pathetic in combat through most of the film....

He concentrates on most levels and its not likely its going to avail him, one teleport and slash and M2 falls lifelessly and headless to the ground.

If teleportation > speed, then I was right in Link vs Sephiroth when I used Zant's teleportation for reaction timing. Which means Link stomps Sephiroth and Kain. I wasn't right apparently, so I know you're wrong.

Strength doesn't even matter here.

Durability doesn't matter here, since Kain can't do anything.

Smarter. Supercomputer thoughts > anything Kain has ever done.

Better powers meaning more powerful. MewTwo said he created the storm. Stimulating the weather? He bent the sky to his will by TKing air currents, the only way you can create your own weather pattern.

You have some amusing fantasies.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
If teleportation > speed, then I was right in Link vs Sephiroth when I used Zant's teleportation for reaction timing. Which means Link stomps Sephiroth and Kain. I wasn't right apparently, so I know you're wrong.

Strength doesn't even matter here.

Durability doesn't matter here, since Kain can't do anything.

Smarter. Supercomputer thoughts > anything Kain has ever done.

Better powers meaning more powerful. MewTwo said he created the storm. Stimulating the weather? He bent the sky to his will by TKing air currents, the only way you can create your own weather pattern.

You have some amusing fantasies.

Teleportion is not a reaction speed feat, theres a very large diffrence, and wtf? Kain would kill Sephiroth and Link together...quite easily.

It does if Kain punches through m2 head.

Erm...no not exactley, wisdom and intellgience does not come just because you have a fast mind, unfortunatley m2 has done nothing in comparison to Kain in actual actions of intellect.

Kain can call lightning from the sky to decimate large forces, which is far quickly than what M2 did albiet less powerful, but in a VS debate, far far more useful.

So.. Instantly stirring up a world-wide cataclysm isn't as useful as a few stray lightning bolts? Did you watch the video that was linked in the other thread, where MewTwo blocks freakin' lightning with TK?

Its not instant at all lol, even Phantom Miria who I would say has a vaster knowledge of Pokemon than you do did not state that it was instant, infact she pointed it out its one of the few powers he has that took some time.

What good is a world wide cataclsm when opponents like Kain, Kratos, Dante, Sephiroth even little dinky link could smash you before you let it loose and furthermore, what use is it when it did not actually suceed in causing the cataclsm, hell even start until near the end of the film.

Your logic is still terrible. If Teleportation is better than speed, it would have to be faster than speed. Which means reacting to it is better than reacting to speed.

Kain isn't fast enough to do that, nor is he powerful enough to get past any Barrier MewTwo can put up.

Alakazam > Kain. MewTwo > Alakazam. MewTwo > Kain.

What good is lightning in this fight? No good at all.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Your logic is still terrible. If Teleportation is better than speed, it would have to be faster than speed. Which means reacting to it is better than reacting to speed.

Kain isn't fast enough to do that, nor is he powerful enough to get past any Barrier MewTwo can put up.

Alakazam > Kain. MewTwo > Alakazam. MewTwo > Kain.

What good is lightning in this fight? No good at all.

When you teleport, it can cover more ground than speed depending on the speed itself, but as a move its better because your opponent cant attack you during the teleport because obviously you are not there.

Feats of barrier? find them, furthermore barrier protecting againt magic.

Only in TK, mind powerwise Kain actually has shown resistance.

Just like M2 worldwide storm.

The storm took him less time than it would take for Kain to achieve anything, and furthermore, he maintained it without any visible concentration.

He maintained world-wide, freakin TK of /air/ without effort. Also, your pot shot at Link was lul, reported. The storm would have destroyed everything on the planet when MewTwo unleashed it.

Kain would teleport and behead M2 long before the storm would be worthh even starting to prepare....

likely the same with most of M2 powers.

Originally posted by Burning thought
When you teleport, it can cover more ground than speed depending on the speed itself, but as a move its better because your opponent cant attack you during the teleport because obviously you are not there.

Feats of barrier? find them, furthermore barrier protecting againt magic.

Only in TK, mind powerwise Kain actually has shown resistance.

Just like M2 worldwide storm.

You miss the point, or ignore it. Surprise surprise.

Redirecting a Gyrados Hyper Beam, colliding with Mew's barrier at high speeds multiple times, I think it took a Flamethrower from Charizard maybe not though, and once the energy from the barrier was propelled forward it turned Ash to stone.

Pokemon special attacks > magic. Hell, the magic still does physical damage. On a technicality, the Pokemon special attacks don't do physical damage.

Not to anything on MewTwo's level.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
You miss the point, or ignore it. Surprise surprise.

Redirecting a Gyrados Hyper Beam, colliding with Mew's barrier at high speeds multiple times, I think it took a Flamethrower from Charizard maybe not though, and once the energy from the barrier was propelled forward it turned Ash to stone.

Pokemon special attacks > magic. Hell, the magic still does physical damage. On a technicality, the Pokemon special attacks don't do physical damage.

Not to anything on MewTwo's level.

Whats the feat of a Garydos beam at the time? theres nothing impressive that youve stated. When is it stated Ash was turned to stone?

Oh I see, so Medihv in Warcraft is weaker than Pokemon special attacks? Again, a very silly thing to say and it depends on what magic so your missing the plot again.

Firstly, this idea of Kain beheading MewTwo is lol. Wouldn't happen. Secondly, MewTwo rips Kain apart with TK. The storm is just a vulgar display of power, in terms of feats. Would he actually conjure a storm in a one on one fight? Nah, he'd rip your jaw off through your ass, crush you, or pull you apart.

Your just re-stating nonsense that I have already touched upon, M2 will be beheaded and his Tk is not quite quick enough, he needs to concentrate first, in which case Kain does a teleport next to him, M2 loses his target and therefore his concetration and dies from a sword in the back of the head.

yeh he prob would, because in a VS his power is useless, unlike Kains lightning storm 🙂 thus my point....

Originally posted by Burning thought
Whats the feat of a Garydos beam at the time? theres nothing impressive that youve stated. When is it stated Ash was turned to stone?

Oh I see, so Medihv in Warcraft is weaker than Pokemon special attacks? Again, a very silly thing to say and it depends on what magic so your missing the plot again.

The fact that it is the most powerful Pokemon move at the time with a base power of 150, and it coming from Gyrados means its stronger than anything Kain has taken. You can look at him, he was turned to stone.

Maybe. Medihv has probably displayed more powerful magic than Kain has though. I'm missing the plot? I didn't know this debate was a story.

I'm still not sure why this fight is being discussed. It's well accepted that he doesn't get through the first fight. Inspire Hate does nothing since the Spartans likely aren't affected, they can't hurt themselves anyway and Mist form doesn't help Kain as it gets separated until its no longer mist or separated farther than Kain can maintain control over.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
The fact that it is the most powerful Pokemon move at the time with a base power of 150, and it coming from Gyrados means its stronger than anything Kain has taken. You can look at him, he was turned to stone.

Maybe. Medihv has probably displayed more powerful magic than Kain has though. I'm missing the plot? I didn't know this debate was a story.

I'm still not sure why this fight is being discussed. It's well accepted that he doesn't get through the first fight. Inspire Hate does nothing since the Spartans likely aren't affected, they can't hurt themselves anyway and Mist form doesn't help Kain as it gets separated until its no longer mist or separated farther than Kain can maintain control over.

zomg! base power of 150! you dont say!! 🙄 Moocow that is one of the poorest arguments you have stated so far. He just went still and gray, that does not mean he is made out of stone just because he resembles the colour.....

oh so your argument is shown as the blunder that it is, your stating Kains magic is not powerful enough, not magic in general, which is not the point. my question was, has the shield actually stopped magic.

Not really, more intellectual members, especially myself disagree with the Spartans beating Kain. Your argument is weak, I will leave you in your confusion about characters you dont know much of and wait until someone with more clue over Spartans debates in their favour or those with some sense who can see Kain beating them will take one of the other characters in the gauntlet to debate.