Health Care [Merged]

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
People have been convinced that a socialized system would not only be ineffective but that it's evil and unpatriotic.

is that it though?

like, seriously, is it just that there is no political will for it? not some technical issue I don't understand or whatever.

Maybe it is just me and how I look at things, but like, the jury isn't out on this one any more. Public health care seems like such a no-brainer, I can't believe so many people could be so vehemently against it.

Originally posted by inimalist
is that it though?

like, seriously, is it just that there is no political will for it? not some technical issue I don't understand or whatever.

Maybe it is just me and how I look at things, but like, the jury isn't out on this one any more. Public health care seems like such a no-brainer, I can't believe so many people could be so vehemently against it.

The section of the public that supports it is not significant enough to overwhelm the ramifications of fighting the insurance companies. The corporations enough weight that unless it became political suicide to oppose government health care politicians don't consider it worth the trouble.

The true face of a tea bagger:

Tea bagging CVnt to Jewish counter demonstrator: "Heil Hitler!"

And yes, he does have a point about consumerism and how insulting it is to celebrate memorial day with mattress sales. But geez, at least be a smart nazi and don't patronize a massive Jew who's probably gonna split your head open as soon as the cameras are off.

Originally posted by Darth Jello
The true face of a tea bagger:

Tea bagging CVnt to Jewish counter demonstrator: "Heil Hitler!"

And yes, he does have a point about consumerism and how insulting it is to celebrate memorial day with mattress sales. But geez, at least be a smart nazi and don't patronize a massive Jew who's probably gonna split your head open as soon as the cameras are off.

On Healthcare: A friend of my family was in France, and had an injury. She got taken into the hospital, given tests, Cat Scan, xrays and some meds (I'm not sure what kind). Since she wasn't a citizen, she had to pay out of her own pocket... around $250. If this was in the US she would have been bankrupt.

Ya gotta love the higher purchasing power that people who live in societies with high taxes pay. I'm willing to have half my wages go to the government in exchange for more vacations, free health care, and my remaining $14,000 annual salary having the value and purchasing power that $40,000 have now.

Also, as I've stated before (and this kind of relates to me being pro choice and pro death penalty), I think there is a basic distinction between being biologically human and having value as a human being. Fascists and Nazis intrinsically have no value.
European nations recongnize this duality as well which is why countries such as Germany, even where fascism and Nazism and hate speech are illegal rarely arrest neo-nazis. The police just kick the living crap out of them and the majority of society doesn't care and silently approve.

Originally posted by Darth Jello
The true face of a tea bagger:

Tea bagging CVnt to Jewish counter demonstrator: "Heil Hitler!"

And yes, he does have a point about consumerism and how insulting it is to celebrate memorial day with mattress sales. But geez, at least be a smart nazi and don't patronize a massive Jew who's probably gonna split your head open as soon as the cameras are off.

lol, its so telling though

he says something about $8k for a 2 hour hospital visit, and she makes the fake crying. Like, not that I expected a Nazi to have a rational argument about anything, but so iconic.

I like how that guys comes over and says "we're here for ya" to the lady, as if a guy is going to attack her on camera. I'd have spit on her.

Originally posted by Darth Jello
Tea bagging CVnt to Jewish counter demonstrator: "Heil Hitler!"

"This video is no longer available due to a copyright claim by KLAS-TV."

F*** YOU! 😆

*steals anyway*

Oh man...what is it with people calling the US Presidents Hitler? For 8 years we been hearing liberals label Bush as Hitler and now Obama too? Gosh, Hitler is just soooo played out.

Anywhoo...that annoying under house dwelling troll of Bernie Frank never misses an opportunity to be in the spotlight.

Originally posted by WhoopeeDee
For 8 years we been hearing liberals label Bush as Hitler

Originally posted by WhoopeeDee
Oh man...what is it with people calling the US Presidents Hitler? For 8 years we been hearing liberals label Bush as Hitler and now Obama too? Gosh, Hitler is just soooo played out. ...

But it's working...😐

Personally I think it's atrocious that people in this country are sometimes forced to lose their house and their savings simply for trying to not die.

Healthcare should be guaranteed to everyone in this country, as an education, or mail service, is. It's more important than either of those.

Originally posted by Darth Jello
Also, as I've stated before (and this kind of relates to me being pro choice and pro death penalty), I think there is a basic distinction between being biologically human and having value as a human being.Fascists and Nazis intrinsically have no value.

If your thoughts and your opinions of for exaple death penalty are there because you feel some people have no value than your thinking is akin to Hitler's and Nazis - since their major idea is that certain people have no value and therefore should be rid of.

You can argue that your side is 'moral and right' but so do Nazis.

I'm not suggesting you're a Nazi or you have Nazi ideas, or anything to that effect, I'm just pointing out that those type of things are relative.

Nazism is fascism, but all fascism is not national socialism if that makes sense. I'm not arguing about morality and accept double standards in this case, I'm just pointing out my own feelings and the feelings of a very large segment of the global population. I don't personally see how it's wrong to persecute people who actively attempt to persecute other people and I don't think that hate speech is or should be protected speech, plain and simple. Once you start yelling Heil Hitler, Seig Heil at a Jew, you have made a clear physical threat and should face the consequences, be it an arrest or a closed head injury due to your own ignorance about the fact that every Israeli citizen (other than the lazy hassids) serves in the army, has at least some knowledge of Krav Magah, and is fully capable of putting you in a wheel chair with a q-tip and even the most hardcore liberal or pacifist is going to have serious moral quandary about sympathizing with you.

Originally posted by Darth Jello
Nazism is fascism, but all fascism is not national socialism if that makes sense. I'm not arguing about morality and accept double standards in this case, I'm just pointing out my own feelings and the feelings of a very large segment of the global population. I don't personally see how it's wrong to persecute people who actively attempt to persecute other people and I don't think that hate speech is or should be protected speech, plain and simple. Once you start yelling Heil Hitler, Seig Heil at a Jew, you have made a clear physical threat and should face the consequences, be it an arrest or a closed head injury due to your own ignorance about the fact that every Israeli citizen (other than the lazy hassids) serves in the army, has at least some knowledge of Krav Magah, and is fully capable of putting you in a wheel chair with a q-tip and even the most hardcore liberal or pacifist is going to have serious moral quandary about sympathizing with you.

But if the issue which bothers you are Jews, what about an entire segment of Plestinian population, or populations (not going to mention who) who are calling for extermination of Jews due to the Palestinian / Israeli land dispute?
They're not Nazis. Nazi does not equal someone who hate Jews.

What about people who are calling for extermination of non Jews? And what about Jews who are calling for extermination of Muslims?

Should they be rid of as well?

Fascists and Nazis are not an ethnic group, they're a symptom of a political, social, and mental disorder. Palestinians are an ethnic group which are culturally distinct and have value. True it can be argued that their cultural distinction was only through colonialism but they are not uniformly antisemitic, nor does their culture or even necesarily their political identity revolve around antisemitism. They're existence does not revolve around hating and eliminating other people.

Originally posted by Darth Jello
Fascists and Nazis are not an ethnic group, they're a symptom of a political, social, and mental disorder. Palestinians are an ethnic group which are culturally distinct and have value. True it can be argued that their cultural distinction was only through colonialism but they are not uniformly antisemitic, nor does their culture or even necesarily their political identity revolve around antisemitism. They're existence does not revolve around hating and eliminating other people.

If you read my post again, it says a segment of population. Not all Palestinians want death on Jews, that is pretty obvious. I'd be bold as to say that majority of them just want to leave normaly and want death on noone.

Also, you have not adressed other questions I asked.

I think allowing any organized movements calling for extermination is detrimental to society, regardless of faith or culture.

Health care is not guaranteed in the constitution. I don't believe I should have to pay for another persons health care or their medical bills.

I don't have much experience with my health care system since I don't get sick often, but from the times I have gone to the hospital my insurance did its job and fully covered me. I have heard stories about people going to the hospital for things like a broken arm and getting charged 2 grand for it. That is a bit out of control and I think we should work with hospitals and insurance carriers to help lower these costs..but I am not for a universal healthcare program or any form of single payer type system.

Originally posted by KidRock
I don't believe I should have to pay for another persons health care or their medical bills.

But... you have no problems paying for someone else's basic education, public transport for people who don't drive, unemployment benefits for those who cannot or don't want to work, basic pensions for the elderly...?

Originally posted by KidRock
Health care is not guaranteed in the constitution. I don't believe I should have to pay for another persons health care or their medical bills.

Originally posted by KidRock
I don't have much experience with my health care system since I don't get sick often, but from the times I have gone to the hospital my insurance did its job and fully covered me.

Originally posted by KidRock
I have heard stories about people going to the hospital for things like a broken arm and getting charged 2 grand for it.

Originally posted by KidRock
That is a bit out of control and I think we should work with hospitals and insurance carriers to help lower these costs..

Originally posted by KidRock
but I am not for a universal healthcare program or any form of single payer type system.