Originally posted by WhoopeeDee
CIYzJ_Clqns&feature=channelI think it's better to set aside national pride and politics and just accept that all systems have their ups and downs.
That's just life.
Oh, and also if you people think I'm going to pay for the Octomom's babies either you smokin crack or joking...screw that! Pull your own weight lady.
This is a story of a poorly run hospital that has been made into a thing about all of NHS, which is simply not true.
This is a POORLY RUN hospital, not denial of healthcare or weaselling out of helping people.
This is an internal issue not a whole system issue. NHS has its problems, sure, but for majority it works just fine.
I am sure there are dozens of such hospitals around USA, run by incompetent people, who on top of things charge ridiculous amounts of money for people to have basic health care.
How can anyone make money off people's health and pretend it is a fine way to function?
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Denying medication to sick people is the worse violation of human rights.
1. I thought being beaten, savagely, to death on account of ONLY your skin color; not intelligence, education, kindness, etc.; was the worse violation of human rights. (This is the only serious point.)
2. What's wrong with killing off the sick and the elderly. 😈 (Notice, that there is no question mark at the end of that sentence. 😈 )
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Insurance companies are making money off people's deaths and illnesses. It just makes me sick.
3. Do you have insurance that covers that sickness? awesome
Originally posted by dadudemon
1. I thought being beaten, savagely, to death on account of ONLY your skin color; not intelligence, education, kindness, etc.; was the worse violation of human rights. (This is the only serious point.)
Originally posted by dadudemon
3. Do you have insurance that covers that sickness? awesome
Nope, I don't need one. Where I live, health is free. awesome
Originally posted by Darth Jello
I'm just waiting for someone at an United Health to lobby congress to change the law to allow them to confiscate human organs from their clients and sell them to other countries.
Previously I was misdiagnosed as protanopic, which is a deficiency or complete lack of red cones. More recently it was discovered to be protanomaly which is a more rare color blindness characterized by mutated red cones. Basically, my reds are darker and browner, my greens are yellower, and I can't watch a 3D movie unless it's in realD
Ok, but I still don't understand why the quality of treatment you receive or whether you receive treatment at all should be based on you wealth.
How am I supposed to stand on my two feet if I'm not going to be in school for another year or so (and can't get the school's insurance till then) if I work a job that pays $27,000 a year, don't qualify for medicaid, and so far the best offer from a company that didn't find me "uninsurable" was $230 a month, $10,000 annual deductible, after which there is a $40 co pay per doctor visit, $70 per visit to a specialist, and once my insurance pays for $15,000 worth of service, my policy ends, how am I supposed to afford that, especially when 40% of the costs incurred in hospitalization aren't covered? I can't afford to move and there aren't any better jobs available and I already work far more than 40 hours per week.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
No, it's not violation of your human right, that's savagery.
Or simply hate.
In my example and your example, the end right being violated is the right to live in a civilized world.
In my example, that right is violated more severely. That was my point. There are probably a dozen other examples. I was just point out the abusdity of your saying it was the worst violation of human rights.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Nope, I don't need one. Where I live, health is free. awesome
lol
Good answer.
Then there's the whole fact that people, especially those with families who are lucky enough to have health insurance through their employers are enslaved by their dependence on that job are afraid to seek better employment or act in anyway that may lose them that job. When viewed this way, private health care violates the 13th and 14th amendments
Originally posted by Darth Jello
Then there's the whole fact that people, especially those with families who are lucky enough to have health insurance through their employers are enslaved by their dependence on that job are afraid to seek better employment or act in anyway that may lose them that job. When viewed this way, private health care violates the 13th and 14th amendments
Are you shitting me?
These people are lucky enough to have their healthcare paid for by a company, and now you're pretty much saying these companies are enslaving the people?
Originally posted by Darth Jello
Ok, but I still don't understand why the quality of treatment you receive or whether you receive treatment at all should be based on you wealth.How am I supposed to stand on my two feet if I'm not going to be in school for another year or so (and can't get the school's insurance till then) if I work a job that pays $27,000 a year, don't qualify for medicaid, and so far the best offer from a company that didn't find me "uninsurable" was $230 a month, $10,000 annual deductible, after which there is a $40 co pay per doctor visit, $70 per visit to a specialist, and once my insurance pays for $15,000 worth of service, my policy ends, how am I supposed to afford that, especially when 40% of the costs incurred in hospitalization aren't covered? I can't afford to move and there aren't any better jobs available and I already work far more than 40 hours per week.
Whose fault is all of this? Mine? The governments? The corporations? Whose fault is it you cannot find a good job or don't have the sense to try and save money to move someplace with better opportunities?
People should try and take some personal responsability for once.
Originally posted by Darth Jello
Kidrock has in previous threads established that when it comes to health care, he doesn't know the cost of anything, he just goes on his typical parroting rant of "taxes bad", "society bad", "greed good", as usual being completely duped into thinking that taxes aren't directly related to wages and inversely related to market prices.
And? Is that any different then your, "Waahh, my life is hard and is failing..who can I blame now?" bullshit rant?
define taking personal responsibility. It's one of those magic words that right wing morons use like "magic of the market place" or "invisible hand". It's totally my fault for having pre-existing conditions.
Actually no it's not. IT IS THE GOVERNMENT'S FAULT. THEY SHOULD SERVE THEIR PEOPLE'S WHIM, NOT PLAY LAP DOG TO A WEALTHY MINORITY. IT IS THE CORPORATIONS' FAULT, IF THEY NO LONGER SERVE ANY PURPOSE OTHER THAN SELF ENRICHMENT AND SCAMMING, THEY SHOULD BE BROUGHT TO HEEL OR WIPED FROM THE EARTH. AND IT IS THE FAULT OF BRAINWASHED IDIOTS WHO WOULD RATHER LIVE IN AN INDIVIDUALISTIC STATE OF NATURE, NOT CARING ABOUT ANYONE BUT THEMSELVES AND FOLLOWING AN IDEOLOGY THAT CONTRADICTS REALITY AND WHOSE IDEA OF DEBATE IS USING SCREAMING AND VIOLENCE TO INTIMIDATE AND MARGINALIZE 79% OF THE POPULATION.
I want to live in a place that's actually representative of it's people, protects its people, pays its people, and is competitive with the rest of the world without selling out its own and I damn well believe that should be the United States. If you don't like that, move to Russia.
Originally posted by KidRock
I support public education being paid for by the public just like I support health care being fully paid for to all those under the age of 18, or even 21. Once you hit a certain age though I believe you should have to learn to actually stand on your own 2 feet.
The problem with that is the cost of care in our country. Many surgeries and procedures run well into six figures, that can be difficult to pay for even if you have money. It's compounded when you're older, more goes wrong with your body and your income us usually fixed. The whole system needs to be revamped.
Originally posted by The Dark Cloud
The problem with that is the cost of care in our country. Many surgeries and procedures run well into six figures, that can be difficult to pay for even if you have money. It's compounded when you're older, more goes wrong with your body and your income us usually fixed. The whole system needs to be revamped.
I have seen people, relatives, get things like cancer and their insurance covered them for the 2-5 years they spent fighting it. What makes these people different from others?
How do you propose it be revamped? Raising people taxes and having the tax payers pay for it all? Regardless of if it bankrupts the country or not?
Originally posted by Darth Jello
define taking personal responsibility. It's one of those magic words that right wing morons use like "magic of the market place" or "invisible hand". It's totally my fault for having pre-existing conditions.
Actually no it's not. IT IS THE GOVERNMENT'S FAULT. THEY SHOULD SERVE THEIR PEOPLE'S WHIM, NOT PLAY LAP DOG TO A WEALTHY MINORITY. IT IS THE CORPORATIONS' FAULT, IF THEY NO LONGER SERVE ANY PURPOSE OTHER THAN SELF ENRICHMENT AND SCAMMING, THEY SHOULD BE BROUGHT TO HEEL OR WIPED FROM THE EARTH. AND IT IS THE FAULT OF BRAINWASHED IDIOTS WHO WOULD RATHER LIVE IN AN INDIVIDUALISTIC STATE OF NATURE, NOT CARING ABOUT ANYONE BUT THEMSELVES AND FOLLOWING AN IDEOLOGY THAT CONTRADICTS REALITY AND WHOSE IDEA OF DEBATE IS USING SCREAMING AND VIOLENCE TO INTIMIDATE AND MARGINALIZE 79% OF THE POPULATION.I want to live in a place that's actually representative of it's people, protects its people, pays its people, and is competitive with the rest of the world without selling out its own and I damn well believe that should be the United States. If you don't like that, move to Russia.
Yeah, big bad wealthy, big bad corporations. These big bad greedy people are the ones who will be paying for your healthcare if you get your way..hell they're probably paying for it now if you have it through a company. People should learn to work and serve themselves, not keel over and die if the big rich people don't give up more of their money to save you.
Originally posted by Darth Jello
I want to live in a place that's actually representative of it's people, protects its people, pays its people, and is competitive with the rest of the world without selling out its own and I damn well believe that should be the United States. If you don't like that, move to Russia.
Pay its people? Why not just have the government..take less from you? Oh no there I go against ranting about how taxes are bad and stuff yet going on and on about how the government should GIVE you money is good. And no I won't move to Russia, I would rather save this country before it turns into the Soviet Union.
