Kidrock has in previous threads established that when it comes to health care, he doesn't know the cost of anything, he just goes on his typical parroting rant of "taxes bad", "society bad", "greed good", as usual being completely duped into thinking that taxes aren't directly related to wages and inversely related to market prices.
Something I should mention in my earlier post.
Here in SoCal there are many MANY people who travel south of the border to Mexico to buy cheap medice, dental work, and other medical stuff....it's cheaper and not regulated that's something our south of the border neighbors appreciate. It's good for their business and economy.
Ok, I don't think I ever stated my solution to this problem. Pretty simple really and it'll fix things like wage inequality and high prices too.
-Progressive income tax. The lowest elligible rate is 50%, the highest elligible rate is 91%. Raise capital gains tax to 80%. Get rid of sales tax except on products that directly damage society, ie cigarettes, gasoline, etc.
-Socialize medicine establishing free health care for all including preventative medicine, mental health, and certain alternative treatments with proven results including chiropractic and acupuncture. Include dental and vision as well.
-Subsidize all abortions for those living below the poverty line or under the age of 23 or in cases where there is rape or threat to life and limb.
-Unecessary cosmetic surgeries should be paid out of pocket. Unecessary meaning only related to personal vanity.
-Establish oversight for the pharmaceutical industry to monitor prices.
-Establish health norms based on the WHO and NIH research, not on insurance standards which often lead to unnecessary surgery (i.e. treating periodontitis with total tooth extraction, treating all phimosis with circumcision, removing adenoids during a tonsillectomy).
-Socialize all job benefits, including paid time off, vacation time, maternity leave, worker's comp, and any other work benefits that take profits from the employer and prevent him from innovating, lowering prices, or researching product.
-Block medical patents on medications unless more than 70% of all research was funded by private dollars.
-Mandate that every big business with adequate office space have an on-sight physical and mental therapist and provide access to a gym, the government paying for 90% of their wages with the business paying the remaining 10%.
-Allow high premium private health plans to cover some of the costs of voluntary cosmetic surgeries such as breast implants and nose jobs.
-Report all illegal immigrants seeking treatment to the INS. Immediately quarantine those with dangerous communicable diseases such as tuberculosis. Set up a system of medical amnesty and temporary visas for those who cross the border illegally specifically to seek medical treatment when none is otherwise available.
-Allow assisted suicide if filed in advance directives.
Originally posted by Darth Jello
Kidrock has in previous threads established that when it comes to health care, he doesn't know the cost of anything, he just goes on his typical parroting rant of "taxes bad", "society bad", "greed good", as usual being completely duped into thinking that taxes aren't directly related to wages and inversely related to market prices.
Apparently purchasing power is not on the priority list.
Like, its so much better to have $7 in one dollar piece than one piece of $20, cos well...7 pieces of paper are more than one piece.
Healthcare in the US is currently a joke.
I don't have insurance at the moment as I'm no longer on my family's plan, and I can't afford to pay for insurance myself. If anything happens, I am completely and totally screwed, and lucky for me my prescription for my glasses hasn't changed. Even back when I did still have it, it was so ridiculous the restrictions they had, and how much stuff they tried to weasel out of...my brother is diabetic, and they keep trying deny the claims on his insulin. You know, that thing he needs to live. They tried to deny claims when I had to go to the ER when I broke my finger years ago. They refused to cover my birth control (and the amount I paid out of pocket for that was ridiculous as well), even though I had actual medical reasons to be taking it.
It's pretty disgusting, and pathetic. You'd think keeping the general populace healthy would be pretty high on the priority list, right?
Originally posted by inimalist
horriblehow do they try to justify that?
I have no idea.
I know they've had a fit before over his glucose meter and strips and stuff, saying that the meter he was told to get by his doctor was too expensive (when it was a pretty basic one), and claiming he didn't need as many strips as he was prescribed. 100 test strips a month for someone who needs to check his blood three times a day is too many, apparently.
Originally posted by Peach
I have no idea.I know they've had a fit before over his glucose meter and strips and stuff, saying that the meter he was told to get by his doctor was too expensive (when it was a pretty basic one), and claiming he didn't need as many strips as he was prescribed. 100 test strips a month for someone who needs to check his blood three times a day is too many, apparently.
I couldn't imagine dealing with that...
God... wtf
Originally posted by Peach
Healthcare in the US is currently a joke.I don't have insurance at the moment as I'm no longer on my family's plan, and I can't afford to pay for insurance myself. If anything happens, I am completely and totally screwed, and lucky for me my prescription for my glasses hasn't changed. Even back when I did still have it, it was so ridiculous the restrictions they had, and how much stuff they tried to weasel out of...my brother is diabetic, and they keep trying deny the claims on his insulin. You know, that thing he needs to live. They tried to deny claims when I had to go to the ER when I broke my finger years ago. They refused to cover my birth control (and the amount I paid out of pocket for that was ridiculous as well), even though I had actual medical reasons to be taking it.
It's pretty disgusting, and pathetic. You'd think keeping the general populace healthy would be pretty high on the priority list, right?
That is just appalling!
Why are people in US so scared of universal health care? You guys pay for it one way or another - if not through insurance then through taxes.
Except that payment through taxes noone can deny you treatment or medication.
Denying medication to sick people is the worse violation of human rights.
Insurance companies are making money off people's deaths and illnesses. It just makes me sick.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
That is just appalling!Why are people in US so scared of universal health care? You guys pay for it one way or another - if not through insurance then through taxes.
Except that payment through taxes noone can deny you treatment or medication.Denying medication to sick people is the worse violation of human rights.
Insurance companies are making money off people's deaths and illnesses. It just makes me sick.
Haven't you heard? The UK system occasionally turns people down.
Now go back and look at this thread. Do you see a single person who's health care has tried to get out of covering them?
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
That is just appalling!Why are people in US so scared of universal health care? You guys pay for it one way or another - if not through insurance then through taxes.
Except that payment through taxes noone can deny you treatment or medication.Denying medication to sick people is the worse violation of human rights.
Insurance companies are making money off people's deaths and illnesses. It just makes me sick.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Haven't you heard? The UK system occasionally turns people down.
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I think it's better to set aside national pride and politics and just accept that all systems have their ups and downs.
That's just life.
Oh, and also if you people think I'm going to pay for the Octomom's babies either you smokin crack or joking...screw that! Pull your own weight lady.
I'm currently uninsured and the best quote I've gotten so far is $230 a month and $10,000 annual deductible for basic service, which by the way, have a $15,000 life time maximum and does not cover surgical assistants, contracted anesthesiologists, and most tests and exams. Apparently it's becoming more standard for blacks and Ashkenazi Jews because of our genetic predisposition for heart disease and colorectal cancer respectively. Considering what I make a year at my current job (yes, I got employed in June finally), that's not health insurance, that's a Ponzi scheme. Even the term for what private insurance is is wrong since there's a fundamental difference between insurance and racketeering.
Originally posted by WhoopeeDee
CIYzJ_Clqns&feature=channelI think it's better to set aside national pride and politics and just accept that all systems have their ups and downs.
That's just life.
Oh, and also if you people think I'm going to pay for the Octomom's babies either you smokin crack or joking...screw that! Pull your own weight lady.
I never said the British system was perfect. In fact you quoted me stating that sometimes it turns people down.
Originally posted by WhoopeeDee
CIYzJ_Clqns&feature=channelI think it's better to set aside national pride and politics and just accept that all systems have their ups and downs.
That's just life.
Oh, and also if you people think I'm going to pay for the Octomom's babies either you smokin crack or joking...screw that! Pull your own weight lady.
So what ups does the US's current system have?
Also, this really shouldn't need to be said, but cases like Octomom are not even close to being the norm.
The ups are that it makes shareholders and patent holders lots and lots of money and that before our system crashed, we have a lot more access to technology than some other countries. That has a lot to do with private donations and demands on minimal hospital standards by insurance companies and patients than it does with private insurance. Also being good friends with Israel doesn't hurt since in most medical fields such as drugs, prosthetics, and preventative technologies, they're waaaaay ahead of the rest of the world.