Health Care [Merged]

Originally posted by inimalist
weird

I'm really surprised that Mauritania isn't on that list. There are regions in NW Africa where being fat is the aesthetic equivalent of being skinny over here, and kids are force fed in rural areas.

America certainly has a dichotomy of being a culture that worships thinness yet has a fat population

Sort of.

In america, and just about every industrialized nation, you see the polar opposites.

You see the world's best athletes and the world's fattest people.

For every dadudemon and Robtard (we both work out, regularly) out there, there is a fat albert and John Candy.

Originally posted by dadudemon
For every dadudemon and Robtard (we both work out, regularly) out there, there is a fat albert and John Candy.

And for every one of those there's someone like me who got good genes. Suck it equality.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
And for every one of those there's someone like me who got good genes. Suck it equality.

YOU BASTARD! 😆

Originally posted by dadudemon

For every dadudemon and Robtard (we both work out, regularly) out there, there is a fat albert and John Candy.

And yet you are stuck with that face. Oh tragedy.

Originally posted by Bardock42
And yet you are stuck with that face. Oh tragedy.

Indeed. Don't rub it in, jerk.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
We'll exchange residencies - I'll move to the US and start my own funeral service business, since I can guess that's the best business after healthcare one can get into.
And you can come to Canada.

If for whatever reason I need medical care, I can go to the UK. It is a win-win situations, DJ.
...

But seriously, my boyfriend is asthmatic, and he needs perscriptions every 6 months - that means that he needs to see his doctor rather regularly to get the basic pump and to get the little red one or whatever that's called.
Apart from having to pay for the actual pump, can you image the bill if he had to visit doctors all the damn time, as well?

Well, the determining question is whether I can get a driver's license in Canada. Are colorblind people allowed to drive there like they are in America?

As for your BF...well, plenty of people here have asthma but that may jack up his rates. Just to give you an idea, I don't smoke, I hardly ever drink anymore, and spent much of my high school and college years doing physical activities. I've slumped a bit since Americorps but am getting back in shape, and in general I'm somewhere between adequate and skilled at most physical activities so I'm by no means a deathly unhealthy person. Yet because of stuff that happened in the past and my family history, I get screwed so you never know. They can deny you based on acne.

Kid Rock's notion that you can just find another company is impossible because there is no "other company". There is no competition with health care. They all have the same lobby, cooperate on the same prices and monopolize local markets so don't count on any real freedom of choice. You know, that whole annoying thing about theoretical free market capitalism where as soon as you add people back into the equation, it falls apart.

I'll send your BF canadian inhalers and in between, he'll just have to self-medicate with dark chocolate and a neti pot I'm afraid.

Originally posted by dadudemon
While I see what you mean and partially agree with it, you have made a factual error.

The U.S. is not the fattest country in the world.

That would be Nauru:

http://www.infoplease.com/world/statistics/obesity.html

Edit - I have made a similar point to yours, before. I don't want to have to pay for that fatass who refuses to lose weight. (Even if they say they do, they don't, or else they would.) However, an old lady put it to me this way: I pay for my Firemen and Police. Dumbasses catch shit on fire or are in need of rescue, and police have to police do tons of stupid shit because of stupid people. It is my right to those services and I shouldn't be denied them. So why would healthcare be any different? Firemen are around to save my life and loved ones, if needed. Policemen are around to ensure my life and safety AND my posterity. So why can't the healthcare be there for my life and loved ones, too?

I say we elminate some programs and replace our income taxes with the healthcare system. 😄

Don't those people migrate here? I know samoans do....

Originally posted by King Kandy
That's what I always wonder about Fred Phelps. I mean i'm surprised he hasn't gotten his head bashed in yet considering how strong a lot of gay people are (think body builders). If I was him I would never be able to go protest at funerals like he does.

On Healthcare: A friend of my family was in France, and had an injury. She got taken into the hospital, given tests, Cat Scan, xrays and some meds (I'm not sure what kind). Since she wasn't a citizen, she had to pay out of her own pocket... around $250. If this was in the US she would have been bankrupt.

You shouldn't have to pay for cat scans and xrays. Thats why we pay taxes to the government.

We have a public health care system.
And A parallel private health care system.

For cosmetic surgery such as plastic surgery and botox the private clinics are useful. For Optics, Cancer, Kidney dialysis, Infectious diseases, Burns, Physiotherapy, Maternity, Surgery Neurosurgery And General ailments There are specialised Government Hospitals [childrens hospitals] [eye hospitals] [Maternity Units] etc

Personally I've seen several consultants doctors and therapists for no charge. I filled in a claims form for Travel Expenses once so I didn't have to pay for the transport costs of travelling out of my local doctor's area to see a specialist.

My employer provides me with comprehensive private health insurance

Last year On the advice of my Bank Manager I cancelled a Health insurance policy the bank sold me it was around US$5 A month and was an add on to A Gold Current Account I overlooked when upgrading accounts.

The private health scheme is fairly redundent imo. considering treatments like ivf are provided free of charge.

If I get a sudden health condition And My doctor can't see me I can go to a walk in center and another doctor can see me Or I can just call an ambulance

I guess where the private health scheme could prove useful is in the event I lose an arm and need artificial limbs I could use the private policy to get my doctor to issue me with a smarter robotic arm .. preferably with a chrome finish and superstrength.

I think we're going to have a major crisis/epidemic with colossal loss of life before anything changes. I'm kind of worried that we'll have a single payer system by next summer, but only after the H1N1 vaccination plans fail, the virus mutates after spreading among crowded emergency rooms and (based on the 1918 epidemic) something like 80-130 million Americans die.

Prediction:
Health insurance in 2050 without major reforms to health care or the economic system-
For those that can't afford the $300,000 monthly premium and the $3 million annual premium set by the unnatural, unregulated health insurance monopoly, if you have a medical emergency, the hospitals will be more than willing to shoot you, provided your family can pay the $30 disposal fee and $10 for the bullet.

I also wanted to point out that obesity in English speaking countries has as much to do with sedentary life styles as it does with a generally low fiber diet compared to the rest of the world. Both are also responsible for a rise in hemorrhoids, cancer, hypertension, atherosclerosis, and rectal prolapse.

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-News/Gareth-Anderson-Denied-Liver-Transplant-After-Weekend-Of-Binge-Drinking-Flown-To-Specialist-Unit/Article/200908415367783?lpos=UK_News_Top_Stories_Header_2&lid=ARTICLE_15367783_Gareth_Anderson%2C_Denied_Liver_Transplant_After_Weekend_Of_Binge_Drinking%2C_Flown_To_Specialist_Unit

Gareth Anderson, 19, from Newtownards in County Down, suffered liver failure after a weekend of drinking and there are fears he could soon die.

Doctors said there was a strict NHS policy that potential transplant donors had to abstain from alcohol for six months.

Dumb **** for killing his liver in one weekend..but too bad he must die now because the government says he cannot get a transplant.

It says that DONORS have to abstain from alcohol. That does kind of make a bit of sense actually to give liver transplants with livers that AREN'T ****ed up. Kind of the reason we make a point of not giving people blood transfusions with HIV in them.

Seriously, safety procedures are now a downside?

Stricter policy in the US actually. Alcohol and drugs typically disqualify you from being on donor lists.

Also, I realize Japan is pretty low fiber too, but they are more physically active and do have some of the world highest rates of constipation related problems.

Originally posted by KidRock
http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-News/Gareth-Anderson-Denied-Liver-Transplant-After-Weekend-Of-Binge-Drinking-Flown-To-Specialist-Unit/Article/200908415367783?lpos=UK_News_Top_Stories_Header_2&lid=ARTICLE_15367783_Gareth_Anderson%2C_Denied_Liver_Transplant_After_Weekend_Of_Binge_Drinking%2C_Flown_To_Specialist_Unit

[B]Gareth Anderson, 19, from Newtownards in County Down, suffered liver failure after a weekend of drinking and there are fears he could soon die.

Doctors said there was a strict NHS policy that potential transplant donors had to abstain from alcohol for six months.

Dumb **** for killing his liver in one weekend..but too bad he must die now because the government says he cannot get a transplant. [/B]

No, no, you mean it's a good thing that he's going to die. If they lifted a finger to aid him that would be morally wrong because it uses tax money.

Originally posted by KidRock
Dumb **** for killing his liver in one weekend..but too bad he must die now because the government says he cannot get a transplant.

lol, do you really want to start a tally of people who have died because of private vs public care?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
No, no, you mean it's a good thing that he's going to die. If they lifted a finger to aid him that would be morally wrong because it uses tax money.

But..the government IS letting him die..

I thought socialized government care was suppose to prevent all this?

indeed, the fine print of the social medicine contract says, and I quote,
"prevent all problems, ever"

Kidrock, again, your argument makes no sense because those are the standards everywhere, not just in the UK, and the US standards are even more strict. If this guy wants any organ transplant, he'll probably have to go to India or China and have an illegal one from a murdered dissident or ethnic minority.

Originally posted by KidRock
But..the government IS letting him die..

I thought socialized government care was suppose to prevent all this?

Nothing eliminates everything. Besides based on your previous statement I'm surprised you think letting someone die could ever be a bad thing.

Originally posted by inimalist
indeed, the fine print of the social medicine contract says, and I quote,
"prevent all problems, ever"

So what is the difference between an insurance company in a Private health care society that denies someone coverage and the government in a public style that denies people life saving operations?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Nothing eliminates everything. Besides based on your previous statement I'm surprised you think letting someone die could ever be a bad thing.

Calm down communist.