Originally posted by Darth Jello
Well, in any permanent way where they didn't get any more credence until the 50's and 60's. Grant didn't do much other than turn them into a frat club/secret society for those seeking political connections. Trust me, I live in a state that was run by the Klan for decades.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Don't they work under the table or something?I'm wondering how it works in USA - Can you fake national insurance numbers? Can you get them without actually proving you're a citizen?
Not sure how it works in Canada either yet - although i have heard few people who are actually Canadians and who are working under the table, so tax evasion is not just illegal immigrant thing.
In UK, it is difficult to get around the NIN (but not impossible of course), so how it works for some people is that someone 'leases' you their national insurance to work off - and you pay them a fee of your wage every month. Sometimes a rather generous one.
But I guess someone STILL pays taxes...
Yes they do work under the table. By getting paid under the table you are not paying income taxes.
But sure, people can use the argument that they pay sales tax..which would be what, less than 100 dollars a year probably.
Originally posted by King Kandy
Yes people who don't really have responses like to change the subject (as i've been feeling full force in that religion forum thread).
And people who have no response like to ignore a subject, like how illegal immigration is just another factor that cripples the idea of universal health care.
Originally posted by King Kandy
KidRock, i'd like to fire off two quick questions.1. Do you think insurance agencies should be able to refuse you for pre-existing conditions? If you do then the excuse of "You have to stand on your own two feat" can't be used as you could not get healthcare regardless of how hard you worked.
2. Bottom tier jobs have to exist in the service sector for american society to function, the minimum wage jobs and the like. Since these jobs HAVE to exist, if everyone took your advice and got jobs that provided healthcare america would not function. What is your opinion on jobs that can't provide healthcare but nonetheless are necessary to exist?
Originally posted by Darth Jello
If they have social security numbers, they pay state and federal income taxes.
Which is where the whole 'stolen SSN' comes in. In Canada you're also advised to not give out national insurance number BEFORE you get the job. You have the right to refuse giving it out to potential employer and should not give it out to anyone otherwise.
If working under table was that easy and often, I don't reckon there would be a market for SSN theft.
Originally posted by King Kandy
KidRock, i'd like to fire off two quick questions.1. Do you think insurance agencies should be able to refuse you for pre-existing conditions? If you do then the excuse of "You have to stand on your own two feat" can't be used as you could not get healthcare regardless of how hard you worked.
2. Bottom tier jobs have to exist in the service sector for american society to function, the minimum wage jobs and the like. Since these jobs HAVE to exist, if everyone took your advice and got jobs that provided healthcare america would not function. What is your opinion on jobs that can't provide healthcare but nonetheless are necessary to exist?
1. Depends on the circumstances. If someone is 27 years old and has neglected to buy insurance and pay a premium then they are shit out of luck if they get cancer and decide, "Hey, I wanna go buy an insurance plan". That isn't very fair that the companies would have to shell out thousands of dollars when you havent given them anything.
If you had cancer when you were 20 though, beat it and became cancer free then I don't believe insurance companies should factor this in at all.
2. My opinion on that? Buy your own health care and stop relying on a company to do it for you. My advice to people isn't primarily to get a job that will provide you healthcare, it's to get a job that pays well enough where you can pay for your own.
man, the way things are going, if I can't get my six to seven figure student loan, I may have to illegally immigrate to Canada. LB, as emissary to America's girl next door, I'm putting you in charge of finding me a redheaded female canadian who immigrated from Scotland so that I can have the sexy and accent and a girl who says "aboot". I then plan to marry her so I can get my health card and a writer's grant from the local Torontonian government and plan to start my new life as a writer/musician who's day job is wilderness restoration and building life size statues of Wayne Gretzky out of Tim Bits.
Originally posted by KidRock
If you had cancer when you were 20 though, beat it and became cancer free then I don't believe insurance companies should factor this in at all.
Originally posted by KidRock
2. My opinion on that? Buy your own health care and stop relying on a company to do it for you. My advice to people isn't primarily to get a job that will provide you healthcare, it's to get a job that pays well enough where you can pay for your own.
Originally posted by Darth Jello
man, the way things are going, if I can't get my six to seven figure student loan, I may have to illegally immigrate to Canada. LB, as emissary to America's girl next door, I'm putting you in charge of finding me a redheaded female canadian who immigrated from Scotland so that I can have the sexy and accent and a girl who says "aboot". I then plan to marry her so I can get my health card and a writer's grant from the local Torontonian government and plan to start my new life as a writer/musician who's day job is wilderness restoration and building life size statues of Wayne Gretzky out of Tim Bits.
Originally posted by King Kandy
[B There are cases of insurance companies denying women cancer treatment because they had had yeast infections years ago.[/B]
Find a new health insurance carrier.
Originally posted by King Kandy
But my point was that if everyone got a high paying job the service sector would be destroyed and our country's economy would collapse. In order for america to function, there needs to be people in low paying jobs.
And we need to find a way to lower the cost of health care for these people. Throwing a blanket over everybody and covering them with a single payer system is not the answer. I don't know the right solution to the problem, but I do know the wrong one.
If we keep salaries and wages low for these people, then the companies would be able to afford to pay their health costs. But then we have people with your mindset who come along and feel they should be paid a minimum wage of (too much)/hour AND have their health care costs covered. Then you fail to understand a company cannot operate like this and will go under thus causing all these people to be laid off and unable to pay their bills (you will then blame the evil companies for this as well and not your failed policies).
Would you rather wal-mart pay their associates 7.50 an hour and provide them with health care or pay them 20/hr and provide no health care?
Originally posted by KidRock
Are you shitting me?These people are lucky enough to have their healthcare paid for by a company, and now you're pretty much saying these companies are enslaving the people?
Whose fault is all of this? Mine? The governments? The corporations? Whose fault is it you cannot find a good job or don't have the sense to try and save money to move someplace with better opportunities?
People should try and take some personal responsability for once.
And? Is that any different then your, "Waahh, my life is hard and is failing..who can I blame now?" bullshit rant?
I agree with everything in this post, to a mother ****in' tee.
I'd be different if Jello was a retard or something. But he's not. He's a pretty damn smart fellow.
Case in point, you work at a damn fast food joint between you jobs, if lady luck isn't smiling on you. 😐
Originally posted by WhoopeeDee
No, I wait for my NEXT appointment. If something is seriously wrong we go to the emergency room. Like common sense dictates...and most hospitals in the US cannot deny you emergency room services. There are plans for paying later.Now, on a more lighter note....
Why would we want free health care in America? With all the FAT PORKERS stuffing their mouths at Mc Donalds. Careless of their health or the weight or whether they could die....will I have to pay for THEIR Medical costs? Because all that FAT down the road is going to get them Diabetes or Heart Disease, Kidney infections...etc....HELL FRIGGIN NO! Yup, pull your own weight. What? did you people forgot we're the FATTEST country in the world?
What we need are nutrional programs. Eat right and stop been fat.
(Oops...silly me...I said lighter earlier...lol)
While I see what you mean and partially agree with it, you have made a factual error.
The U.S. is not the fattest country in the world.
That would be Nauru:
http://www.infoplease.com/world/statistics/obesity.html
Edit - I have made a similar point to yours, before. I don't want to have to pay for that fatass who refuses to lose weight. (Even if they say they do, they don't, or else they would.) However, an old lady put it to me this way: I pay for my Firemen and Police. Dumbasses catch shit on fire or are in need of rescue, and police have to police do tons of stupid shit because of stupid people. It is my right to those services and I shouldn't be denied them. So why would healthcare be any different? Firemen are around to save my life and loved ones, if needed. Policemen are around to ensure my life and safety AND my posterity. So why can't the healthcare be there for my life and loved ones, too?
I say we elminate some programs and replace our income taxes with the healthcare system. 😄
Originally posted by KidRock
Find a new health insurance carrier.
Originally posted by KidRock
And we need to find a way to lower the cost of health care for these people. Throwing a blanket over everybody and covering them with a single payer system is not the answer. I don't know the right solution to the problem, but I do know the wrong one.
Originally posted by KidRock
If we keep salaries and wages low for these people, then the companies would be able to afford to pay their health costs. But then we have people with your mindset who come along and feel they should be paid a minimum wage of (too much)/hour AND have their health care costs covered. Then you fail to understand a company cannot operate like this and will go under thus causing all these people to be laid off and unable to pay their bills (you will then blame the evil companies for this as well and not your failed policies).
Originally posted by KidRock
In any case, I wouldn't weep because that wasn't even my policy in the first place. It's silly to expect corporations to give healthcare to their employees at all. That should be the governments job.Would you rather wal-mart pay their associates 7.50 an hour and provide them with health care or pay them 20/hr and provide no health care?
Originally posted by Darth Jello
man, the way things are going, if I can't get my six to seven figure student loan, I may have to illegally immigrate to Canada. LB, as emissary to America's girl next door, I'm putting you in charge of finding me a redheaded female canadian who immigrated from Scotland so that I can have the sexy and accent and a girl who says "aboot". I then plan to marry her so I can get my health card and a writer's grant from the local Torontonian government and plan to start my new life as a writer/musician who's day job is wilderness restoration and building life size statues of Wayne Gretzky out of Tim Bits.
We'll exchange residencies - I'll move to the US and start my own funeral service business, since I can guess that's the best business after healthcare one can get into.
And you can come to Canada.
If for whatever reason I need medical care, I can go to the UK. It is a win-win situations, DJ.
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But seriously, my boyfriend is asthmatic, and he needs perscriptions every 6 months - that means that he needs to see his doctor rather regularly to get the basic pump and to get the little red one or whatever that's called.
Apart from having to pay for the actual pump, can you image the bill if he had to visit doctors all the damn time, as well?
Originally posted by dadudemon
Clarify what you mean.Just numbers?
Percent of population?
😄
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I'm really surprised that Mauritania isn't on that list. There are regions in NW Africa where being fat is the aesthetic equivalent of being skinny over here, and kids are force fed in rural areas.
America certainly has a dichotomy of being a culture that worships thinness yet has a fat population