Originally posted by KingD19
Hulk doesn't always turn back into Banner when he's unconscious, that's hardly the case, with Colossus, it's an absolute, when he's unconscious, he's flesh, when he's not, he's metal.
just look at the fight who's out longer hulk or colossus.
hulk for only one picture while colossus didn't even move or talk for atleast 6.
So who would have beaten who???
If Hulk hadn't bfr'd Colossus, then the Tin Man would have lost eventually, especially considering he was only a teenager(Class 70) at the time.
I was just addressing your incorrect assumption that Hulk wasn't knocked out because he didn't revert to Banner. And addressing the fact that Colossus wasn't ko'd because he was still in his metal form.
However, if it was adult Colossus in that fight, it would have gone differently.
Originally posted by BrutacusLook at the panels. Colossus threw Hulk into a mountain then walked up to Hulk then stood there and had second thoughts about finishing him.
just look at the fight who's out longer hulk or colossus.
hulk for only one picture while colossus didn't even move or talk for atleast 6.So who would have beaten who???
Originally posted by KingD19
If Hulk hadn't bfr'd Colossus, then the Tin Man would have lost eventually, especially considering he was only a teenager(Class 70) at the time.I was just addressing your incorrect assumption that Hulk wasn't knocked out because he didn't revert to Banner. And addressing the fact that Colossus wasn't ko'd because he was still in his metal form.
However, if it was adult Colossus in that fight, it would have gone differently.
Why because wwh said he would have been a match for him in the past???
so colossus would beat savage hulk just from that fight???
I never said he would have won, but he might have. If Doc Samson(who is clearly weaker than Colossus) can go toe to toe with Hulk for 6 hours, there's no telling what Colossus could to to Savage Hulk.
And WWH was an excellent judge of strength, he knew how strong his previous incarnations were, and saying Colossus was a match for them did carry some wright.
Originally posted by snoopdogg
BTW Colossus tried to use strength alone to beat the Hulk in the first fight. However in the second fight Colossus uses his strength and his skill to kayo the Hulk. Nobody is saying Colossus is stronger than the Hulk but strength isn't always the be all end all in a fight.
Hulk stood up the people and beaten people who are stonger and more skilled than colossus.
Like I said before the fight would have ended after the third scan iff kitty didn't faze colossus in to the ground.
He was out or dazed just like the hulk was dazed
Originally posted by KingD19
I never said he would have won, but he might have. If Doc Samson(who is clearly weaker than Colossus) can go toe to toe with Hulk for 6 hours, there's no telling what Colossus could to to Savage Hulk.And WWH was an excellent judge of strength, he knew how strong his previous incarnations were, and saying Colossus was a match for them did carry some wright.
Read wwh again he said colossus MIGHT have been a match for him in the past.
He didn't say that colossus would beat him in the past.
Originally posted by BrutacusAre you paying attention? Colossus tried to use strength alone to beat Hulk in the first fight, that doesn't work. The 2nd fight Colossus combined his strength and skill to take him down.
Hulk stood up the people and beaten people who are stonger and more skilled than colossus.Like I said before the fight would have ended after the third scan iff kitty didn't faze colossus in to the ground.
He was out or dazed just like the hulk was dazed
WWH could have killed Herc because Herc wasn't fighting back.
Even uttering something like Colossus could stand up to him, is something coming from WWH, since no one but Sentry and Juggernaut provided a challenge to him.
And there aren't many CL 100 bricks more skilled in combat than Colossus, the others up there are:
Thor(Norse Warrior with thousands of years of combat exp)
Hercules(Greek Warrior with thousands of years of combat exp)
Black Bolt(Trained in InHuman martial arts from near birth)
And a few others, but Colossus is high on that list.
Originally posted by KingD19
WWH could have killed Herc because Herc wasn't fighting back.
Er the context was even if hercules tried to fight back he could have killed him.
Originally posted by KingD19
Even uttering something like Colossus could stand up to him, is something coming from WWH, since no one but Sentry and Juggernaut provided a challenge to him.
Thats exactly why Collosus isnt a match for him. Besides I think you misinterpeted what was said.
http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/3969/32657373yy3.jpg
Yeah "There was a time... " ie not now.
Originally posted by KingD19
And there aren't many CL 100 bricks more skilled in combat than Colossus, the others up there are:Thor(Norse Warrior with thousands of years of combat exp)
Hercules(Greek Warrior with thousands of years of combat exp)
Black Bolt(Trained in InHuman martial arts from near birth)
And a few others, but Colossus is high on that list.
Thing is arguably just as skilled, look what happened to him.
Actually, considering that WWH is no more, it's a very valid statement, since Hulk is now in his previous incarnations. Actually, Hulk is no more at the moment, but hey, whose counting particulars?
Thing is an excellent fighter, but he's not in Colossus' league. The guy flipped off of a wall and curled into a ball, using his momentum and strength to take down a dude much stronger than him. Etc.... All Thing does is box.
And while he could still have proven fatal to Herc, if WWH had fought him instead of just beating on him, it might not have ended up that way.
For f*cks sake.
Just LOOK at the fight again. It's not like Colossus even hit him to "ko" him. He threw him into a small rocky lump. Not a mountain.
Even Colossus is thinking "Have I done enough? Is it really over?" That's why Hulk hollered "Did you think a few punches would finish Hulk?" Since obviously Colossus and Hulk are not murderers, the "finish" would have been referring to a KO. Hulk makes it clear he was not out at all. And Hulk used tactics all the time back in the day, and still does. Colossus was in the zone, all over Hulk like a cheap suit. So Hulk slows sh*t down so he can get the hit in. I'm not f*cking saying that's why or how he did it or whatever.
I'm saying, for whatever reason, Hulk let Colossus get close and then sprung an attack.
And WWHulk said "decent opponent". Not "dangerous enemy" or "fierce rival" or some sh*t. A decent opponent can simply be a good sparring partner, or somebody that hangs for a while. Like Thing.
A dangerous enemy for Hulk is Juggernaut or Thor. Hulk's beaten them, they've beaten Hulk, including special circumstances and sh*t, but either way. Long time rivals. Thing and Colossus have NEVER beaten Savage Hulk. And if this was a KO, which it clearly isn't, it's the biggest bullsh*t, upset, lucky day, one in a million, fluke victory in the history of bullsh*t. When Hulk takes a sh*t, it measures on the Richter scale, levels a village, and costs eleven million dollars in plumbing bills. Colossus is nowhere in Hulk's league. Not even in the f*cking stadium.
Thor, Hulk, Juggernaut >>>> Namor >> Colossus
Originally posted by redhotrash
Still not understanding how Hulk >>>> Namor when Namor has beaten Hulk virtually every time....
Most of their fights have been little skirmishes with no endings. Namor's only decisively beaten Hulk in the water.
And I was rating on power. Hulk's strength is considered limitless, Namor's is around standard brick. Less than Herc, higher than Colossus.
It doesn't change the fact; Colossus didn't knock Hulk out. Not at all. Not even dazed. Eyes closed doesn't mean KO. If Hulk was KO'd that would've been in the end of it. No one is KO'd for five seconds, and wakes up to immediately jumping back into the fight with full fury.
