Let go, baby.
You ruined your chances. This officially qualifies as stalking, and I'd hate to have to get REX to stop your harassment.
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Edit: Tread lightly, LS. If you gloss over the parts about Luke drawing on the Force to reverse the effects temporarily and him telling Ben that he feels better by the second, DS will have company on ignore.
Originally posted by Gideon
Let go, baby.You ruined your chances. This officially qualifies as stalking, and I'd hate to have to get REX to stop your harassment.
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Edit: Tread lightly, LS. If you gloss over the parts about Luke drawing on the Force to reverse the effects temporarily and him telling Ben that he feels better by the second, DS will have company on ignore.
Oh I have, which is why I'm constantly responding to your hilarious points. I win, you lose. You can cry to Rex but I'm sure it'll have about the same effect as me trying out for the Dallas Cowboys. ROFL
Originally posted by Lightsnake
Pointing something out. I finally got a hold of Abyss and when the fight starts, Ben notes Luke can hardly manage to run for the Shadow in his condition, let alone take a prisoner from the Sith.And then it's pointed out Luke didn't even have the energy to rebuke Ben for cheering him on as it wasn't helping. If Luke had the Codex and was being mightily boosted, can this be accounted for? Because it seems he was not at his best
Look at that, we agree on something. Tread lightly or the great Gideon is going to dazzle you with contradictions and barely comprehensible arguments.
by overly much i meant struggle more than i would expect of Luke Skywalker.
You acted as though reading this duel came as a surprise to you, when you posted your first comment while reading the book. When i read it, the manner in which Luke won didn't surprise me too much at all. Luke always almost dies at some point in almost every duel that i can remember other than the Raynar Thul, and the 3rd Lumiya fight. So when he struggled(admittedly) against Rhea, i didn't feel like he struggle overly much. Which is what i said. Therefore it doesn't change my view of Luke Skywalker at all.
and why do you keep belittling Rhea? We don't have any information on her at all to call her a b1tch. We also don't have any info on her combat abilities other than she fought decently against Luke Skywalker. Hardly a knock on her, that.
I thought she was actually a pretty cool master most of the time. And didn't you pick up on where everyone in the order had to be hot? What is not to like?
I'm sure she's hot. But for someone who has never had a duel to the death on a backwater planet, she did unusually well, regardless of the circumstances.
I understand they don't want to overpower Luke too much, but they already did that in NJO and DN. They have tried to reverse this with CIS in LOTF and are continuing the trend in this series. I imagine in the next book, he'll be owning an entire race of sith, while the book after that, he'll lose a saber battle to an adolescent.
Originally posted by truejedi
by overly much i meant struggle more than i would expect of Luke Skywalker.You acted as though reading this duel came as a surprise to you, when you posted your first comment while reading the book. When i read it, the manner in which Luke won didn't surprise me too much at all. Luke always almost dies at some point in almost every duel that i can remember other than the Raynar Thul, and the 3rd Lumiya fight. So when he struggled(admittedly) against Rhea, i didn't feel like he struggle [b]overly much
. Which is what i said. Therefore it doesn't change my view of Luke Skywalker at all.and why do you keep belittling Rhea? We don't have any information on her at all to call her a b1tch. We also don't have any info on her combat abilities other than she fought decently against Luke Skywalker. Hardly a knock on her, that.
I thought she was actually a pretty cool master most of the time. And didn't you pick up on where everyone in the order had to be hot? What is not to like? [/B]
Which is why I told you that Luke is no more or no less than the Mace Windu/Yoda of his generation.
Originally posted by truejedi
If by that, you mean the greatest foe the darkness had even known, I would agree. that puts Luke Skywalker's role in the mythos very nicely.
Among the greatest, absolutely. I never denied that. LS has shown me that DS continues to harass and insult me, which is pleasantly odd, and that he's claimed "i think luke sux!"
That was never the case. I'm simply informing the rest of you that based on his showings, he's clearly not as peerless as he has been made out to be.
Originally posted by Gideon
Among the greatest, absolutely. I never denied that. LS has shown me that DS continues to harass and insult me, which is pleasantly odd, and that he's claimed "i think luke sux!"That was never the case. I'm simply informing the rest of you that based on his showings, he's clearly not as peerless as he has been made out to be.
"LS has shown me".. Absolutely hilarious.. In fact, your whole argument has NEVER been Luke being peerless. Aside from your blatant contradictions and reaching in the wrong direction by focusing on the negatives, your argument has been "Luke is simply not that great". I wonder how many times you've forgotten what you posted. I've never seen you make so many failed, illogical arguments in such a short time span. Sad really.
Edit: By the way, show me where I claim that you said Luke sucked. If you learn to read (please try), I've stated on numerous occasions that you repeateadly ignore Luke's feats in favor of the few let downs as the focal point of your argument.
There is a lot of inconsistences in Luke's fighting. In NJO series when he fought the YV on Coruscant in the Unifying Force, Jacen made a comment that went something like this: "his lightsaber seemed to be 20 blades." Fastword to Abyiss and he struggles against Rhea in a fight. Now how can a man, cut through YV Slayers and engage and kill Shimmra nearly lose to a Sith with no prior experience fighting a Master of Luke's caliber. Rhea would have been butchered by Shimmra. It doesn't make sense to me.
Originally posted by Gideon
I'm sorry, but the fact that you think that this is the case doesn't make it so. Palpatine was injured enough that he was unable to use the Force without dire consequences for his biological state; Luke wasn't so weakened that he was unable to rely on the Force. Palpatine was clearly in a worse position and no amount of haggling is going to change that fact.That's essentially it. Dooku was being taxed far too much during his fight with Kenobi and Skywalker that he spent almost all of his considerable Force reserves trying to compensate for his physical condition.
No. I'm not letting this drop until you can prove that it's PIS rather than scrambling behind it as a last minute defense because Luke may just not be all you crack him up to be.
to your first point I can say the exact same thing to your argument for palpatine. in the end it IS opinion.
as to dooku that sentence is contradictory in itself then because it would read like this. Dooku has force exhaustion(which according to you is he is exhausted his force reserves) but then uses the force to make him no longer exhausted.
that makes no sense.
As to the PIS/CIS thing i'm trying to "scramble" behind this as a last ditch effort. So far DS is right though you are the only one saying that it isn't PIS/CIS when everyone else is. Can you prove us wrong on this? No, you can't because it's all in how we as the reader view whats going on.
ya it says luke was getting stronger by the second but we don't know how much stronger he is because he clearly isn't close to being average.And if anything you know how good luke is and that this fight and how he fought in it are contrary to how other authors have wrote him in similar settings.
Poppunker
As to the PIS/CIS thing i'm trying to "scramble" behind this as a last ditch effort. So far DS is right though you are the only one saying that it isn't PIS/CIS when everyone else is. Can you prove us wrong on this? No, you can't because it's all in how we as the reader view whats going on.
Appealing to the majority is a logical fallacy, Poppunker. It's especially ironic that you agree with DS on the issue, since the general consensus around here is that he's an idiot (not that I necessarily agree).
Single standards or none at all.
Don't use fallacies when debating me.
Edit: And no, you can't say the exact same thing about it. Luke's body was still strong enough that he could endure calling on the Force; Palpatine's could not.
Palpatine's condition was worse. Period. End of story. Until you prove otherwise, don't bring it up again.
Edit #2: See, DS? It's possible to disagree with someone without insulting their intelligence. Especially when the person whose intellect you're insulting is the one who people consider to be your leader.
Learn, my child.
Originally posted by Darth Truculent
There is a lot of inconsistences in Luke's fighting. In NJO series when he fought the YV on Coruscant in the Unifying Force, Jacen made a comment that went something like this: "his lightsaber seemed to be 20 blades." Fastword to Abyiss and he struggles against Rhea in a fight. Now how can a man, cut through YV Slayers and engage and kill Shimmra nearly lose to a Sith with no prior experience fighting a Master of Luke's caliber. Rhea would have been butchered by Shimmra. It doesn't make sense to me.
Rhea would own Shimmra one-on-one. But yes she would almost certainly be killed under the conditions Luke was exposed to.
Luke killed Shimmra with a single saber swing, Rhea is more skillful not to mention force sensitive.
Originally posted by Darth Truculent
Rhea would have been butchered by Shimmra.
Prove that statement. how the heck can you claim to know that? For a forum that prides itself on only using available evidence to judge power levels, i have seen a lot of unsubstantiated opinions offered about Rhea.
Truth is, we don't have enough information to decide how powerful she was. The one showing she had, she fought well with Luke Skywalker. So the only indication we have of her power makes her appear to have been very competent with a lightsaber.
Originally posted by Gideon
Appealing to the majority is a logical fallacy, Poppunker. It's especially ironic that you agree with DS on the issue, since the general consensus around here is that he's an idiot (not that I necessarily agree).Single standards or none at all.
Don't use fallacies when debating me.
Edit: And no, you can't say the exact same thing about it. Luke's body was still strong enough that he could endure calling on the Force; Palpatine's could not.
Palpatine's condition was worse. Period. End of story. Until you prove otherwise, don't bring it up again.
Edit #2: See, DS? It's possible to disagree with someone without insulting their intelligence. Especially when the person whose intellect you're insulting is the one who people consider to be your leader.
Learn, my child.
I'm not insulting your intelligence. I was pointing out that your ability to debate is greatly diminished past midnight, and what results is a slew of contradictions and half ass arguments that have been defeated.
And look at who considers me an idiot. A guy who can't get over the fact that i'm not a troll and devotes his life to proving otherwise? If that's the consensus, then I think I'm just dandy.
k.. Moving on. cause i'm tired of the subject, and everybody's opinions are set in stone and it is pointless to continue...
To me, this book provided one of Han Solo's greatest moments. Not because of the difficulty of the task, but because of the ridiculous ease and confidence with whcih he did it. (Escaping the planet with allana.) Disagree/agree?