Batman vs. John McClane

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Dude, check the links I posted, you are wrong. 🙄

I just checked, RJ. Now I know why I thought what I did. That's because many guns shoot at greater than 2x the speed of the sound, just like I was saying.

An 8mm round travels at 1636 MPH, on average. That's more than double mach 2.

An M16 rifle's bullets (the NATO round) all travel faster than that.

HOWEVER!

The guns Impediment gave Batman are the HK94 and Berreta. I have no idea what kind of gun the HK-94 is. If it's the MP5, you're right, the bullets travel at the speed of sound. If he meant the more logical choice of the M4, they use those NATO rounds, which are more than double the speed of sound.

If Mclane gets another gun like an AK-47 or any other type of common automatic, then the rounds are still about double the speed of sound.

See, I wasn't crazy.

lol

Now, onto his pistol. It shoots slow bullets. The Beretta has some large ass, slow ass, rounds.

The sort of speed that they will travel, will be as good as light speed, for Batman who will be trying to avoid that speed over a distance of like 6-10ft. Now how long does it take a 9mm round to get from the Beretta muzzle to Batbrain...?

Guessing pretty confidently that "slow"will not describe that time.

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
so why shouldn't he be... you have gimped batman from the very beginning.. so try again as you say.. and say it once more with feeling .. My name is RJ and I am a McClaen fanboy... deny it all you want...

the armor worn in Batman Begins is bullet proof.. no bullet will penetrate it... Batman loves jumping off rooftops and buildings and he also glides through the air.. Batman is also very fast and cunning a whole lot more than McClane.. He will not just stand there like you want him too.. As soon as both see each other McClane is not the only one that will spring into action.. Batman will as well.. Please stop denying that

And it inhibits manuverability too.
So it will, most likely, be McClane doing the springing to action, and when he does, by the time Batman has completed his full body turn to look round to the source of danger, he'll be nailed.
Makes him more of a McTarget.

(A McTarget with a shatterable face mask, too.)

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
And it inhibits manuverability too.
So it will, most likely, be McClane doing the springing to action, and when he does, by the time Batman has completed his full body turn to look round to the source of danger, he'll be nailed.
Makes him more of a McTarget.

(A McTarget with a shatterable face mask, too.)

They replaced it BECAUSE it was shatterable. It was meant to be bullet proof, but was susceptible to blunt trauma.

Now they have a new one, that does its job. 😉

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
And it inhibits manuverability too.
So it will, most likely, be McClane doing the springing to action, and when he does, by the time Batman has completed his full body turn to look round to the source of danger, he'll be nailed.
Makes him more of a McTarget.

(A McTarget with a shatterable face mask, too.)

that is why something called stealth will be in Batman's favor and since the Batsuit is bulletproof bullets won't do much expect tickle him and...

Originally posted by Impediment
There, Rob. I did it. Eat my ass.

Batman (Bale) infiltrates the Nakatomi Plaza trying to save everyone from Gruber's gang. John sees Batman and doesn't know what the f*ck to think. Batman sees John and thinks he is one of the terrorists. John advances on Bats armed with a Beretta 92F 9mm pistol and the HK94 he had when he was talking shit to Hans via the walkie talkie.

Batman has all of his standard equipment and armor. Duh.

since the OP (my time to use it) states McClane doesn't know what to think about Batman and Batman thinks he (McClane is a terrorist) Batman has some knowledge of who McClane is while McClane may not even know who or what Batman is or capable of doing..

so after the lights go out McClane gets one shoted

also just realized this.. THE OP DOESN'T EVEN STATE WHICH BALE BATMAN IS BEING USED. SO TDK FTW.

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
that is why something called stealth will be in Batman's favor and since the Batsuit is bulletproof bullets won't do much expect tickle him and...

Batboysim FTW ^.

Body armour doesn't mean bullets "tickle", they still hurt, cause bruising, breaking of the skin, possible breaking of bones, can still knock you on your ass and they can wind you.

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
also just realized this.. THE OP DOESN'T EVEN STATE WHICH BALE BATMAN IS BEING USED. SO TDK FTW.

IMP later qualifies that we are using Die Hard 1 Mclane and the Batman Begins Bale.

😄

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
that is why something called stealth will be in Batman's favor and since the Batsuit is bulletproof bullets won't do much expect tickle him and...

Also McClane is not only a master of stealth, but he has repeatedly out stealthed (and got the drop on) others who are being sly and stealthy.

Like Robtard correctly says: Taking shots from bullets (especially loads of em in rapid ass succession will do all the impacting/ bone and skin breaking/knocking over/winding that will be required.

Butthe main thing is that Batman has no answer to being shot in the face repeatedly in ANY armour he has been seen wearing..

McClane could, after he's unloaded into the Batman and Bat's is on the floor trying to compose himself, toss him out a window *cues witty line* "this isn't a costume party, pal."

Originally posted by Robtard
Batboysim FTW ^.

Body armour doesn't mean bullets "tickle", they still hurt, cause bruising, breaking of the skin, possible breaking of bones, can still knock you on your ass and they can wind you.

then Rob in your case McClane fanboyism FTL... These aren't teflon coated bullets either, so yeah they hurt, but won't keep Batman down..

Originally posted by dadudemon
IMP later qualifies that we are using Die Hard 1 Mclane and the Batman Begins Bale.

I wasn't here that day... 😄 Besides since Stealth is one of Batman's main weapons which he showed quite well in Batman Begins.. He will use it to his advantage..

BTW Rob, I have much respect for you.. You're an admitted McClane fanboy and I'm a Batman fanboy

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
then Rob in your case McClane fanboyism FTL... These aren't teflon coated bullets either, so yeah they hurt, but won't keep Batman down..

The idea that you think Batman is just going to take 30-odd shots and bat-giggle because it just "tickles" is funny, odd, but funny. It would knock him down, considering each and every bullet was stopped by the armour.

(Except the ones hitting his face, obviously)

I mean, what could Batman do, seriously if McClane aimed at the head and fired 30 odd shots at Batman's face...?

If he puts his hands up in defence then they'd be blown off/through Robocop director's cut style.

I dont get why this doesn't play out like a fight.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
That thing called stealth that you refer to: Harder to be stealthy/manuverable when you cant turn your head.

Cept that he was in the movie, just fine.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Also McClane is not only a master of stealth, but he has repeatedly out stealthed (and got the drop on) others who are being sly and stealthy.

But nothing even remotely on par with Batman.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Like Robtard correctly says: Taking shots from bullets (especially loads of em in rapid ass succession will do all the impacting/ bone and skin breaking/knocking over/winding that will be required.

Cept it won't. Bullet proof is bullet proof. Also, this falsely assumes the bullets will even be fired and we we think the bullets will be fired, they will still miss their target.

Most likely, Mclane doesn't even get a shot off as 12+ armed men at once in a tiny area are >>>>>>>> than one armed Mclane.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Butthe main thing is that Batman has no answer to being shot in the face repeatedly in ANY armour he has been seen wearing..

Yeah he does. He simply won't be shot to begin with.

Originally posted by dadudemon

Cept it won't. Bullet proof is bullet proof.

He's wearing body armour, like kevlar, he's not Colossus, batboy.

Originally posted by Robtard
He's wearing body armour, like kevlar, he's not Colossus, batboy.

So, you're saying that it won't stop bullets?

If it's proper body armour, it will stop bullets; he will feel it; it will cause some damage and it could likely drop him on his ass, considering it's machine gun fire.

People are making it sound like any bullet hitting Batman will just harmless bounce off.

Originally posted by Robtard
If it's proper body armour, it will stop bullets; he will feel it; it will cause some damage and it could likely drop him on his ass, considering it's machine gun fire.

Looks to be more rigid and thicker. What do you think?

And, have you seen the test where they shoot that reporter who is wearing that coat? He certainly didn't look like he "felt it". He was nervous, but no marks, and he certainly wasn't in pain.

Originally posted by Robtard
People are making it sound like any bullet hitting Batman will just harmless bounce off.

Probably. We never saw a bullet hit it's mark, did we? (In BB) It is far more likely that John will miss than actually get a shot in.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Looks to be more rigid and thicker. What do you think?

And, have you seen the test where they shoot that reporter who is wearing that coat? He certainly didn't look like he "felt it". He was nervous, but no marks, and he certainly wasn't in pain.

Probably. We never saw a bullet hit it's mark, did we? (In BB) It is far more likely that John will miss than actually get a shot in.

Parts of it look thicker, other parts don't.

I've seen several clips of people being shot, really depends on the quality of body armour and the gun/ammo, sometimes nothing, sometimes they're bruise and knocked down/winded. It's one shot though, not sustained machine-gun fire.

His suit was a piece of body armour designed for the military, which he painted/modified. It's not a tank-suit.

Edit: I am arguing from a McClane will hit him perspective, as there wouldn't be an issue should Batman continually avoid until McClane ran out of bullets.