As I mentioned to RJ, we could quickly end this debate if we measure how quickly Batman disappears out of the line of sight from a raised gun....then measure that against the quickest time it takes John to pull up his gun and fire...or just simply react.
If batman dodges faster than John's best reaction, this debate is retarded as Batman rapes John. If batman is slower, then it's back to the long boring ass debate about body armor and stuff.
So, someone hope to it.
Originally posted by dadudemon
As I mentioned to RJ, we could quickly end this debate if we measure how quickly Batman disappears out of the line of sight from a raised gun....then measure that against the quickest time it takes John to pull up his gun and fire...or just simply react.If batman dodges faster than John's best reaction, this debate is retarded as Batman rapes John. If batman is slower, then it's back to the long boring ass debate about body armor and stuff.
So, someone hope to it.
too tired to do it,but like i said, the entire thing rests on bat's reflexes. if he is able to dodge that gun fire and get to safety, mcclane is screwed, if not, he's dead
Originally posted by dadudemonThats the problem, Batman is never just standing there with a gun trained on him. I can think of two instances.
As I mentioned to RJ, we could quickly end this debate if we measure how quickly Batman disappears out of the line of sight from a raised gun....then measure that against the quickest time it takes John to pull up his gun and fire...or just simply react.If batman dodges faster than John's best reaction, this debate is retarded as Batman rapes John. If batman is slower, then it's back to the long boring ass debate about body armor and stuff.
So, someone hope to it.
Harvey shooting him, and the SWAT team in TDK, but they weren't trying to kill him, they were trying to apprehend him. If they had orders to shoot on sight, he would have been dead.
The OP is set as Batman and Mac standing there seeing each other, this implies Batman is out in the open, not under cover. As fast as bullets fly from the auto****ingmatic assault rifle, no way in hell he dodges them all. All thirty? Come on, man, aint happenin'.
Show me a scene where Batman is standing in the open and dodges thirty rounds of gunfire in two seconds flat. Go ahead, that's a challenge. One that will inevitably go unanswered. Just more "ZOMG IT'S THE ****ING BATMAN!!" Bullshit.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
No, I agree with you on his resourcefulness, I was just stating that I never brought it up, that his badassery with a gun was all that he needs here.Bob Swagger
John Rambo
Bryan Mills
JasonBourne
SEU Smith
Plissken
Wesley Gibson
John Preston
Martin Riggs
El Wray
El MariachiThese are all men, in addition to Mac, who pwn Batman if they have a gun.
Again, if they have a gun that is aimed at his exposed face and they just have to pull the trigger at the start of the fight.
Yes, that is just ****ing spite then though. It's exactly like the Bob Lee Swagger thread, where Batman was continued to be gimped by you. I even said it then "Why don't you just make a thread with Batman tied to a tree and Swagger having a gun aimed at his face just needing to pull the trigger?"
Well, we have this thread now, good job. Obviously it wasn't intended as such, but you guys turned the scenario into just that. Why does your idea of this scenario even need to be discussed? It is not a vs. thread, but an execution, then.
Fair enough, I guess, I don't see that it is granted from the first post, but if that's all you get from it perhaps we should discuss a different, more fair scenario, where Batman and McClane are both behing covers, so it's not just about the speed McClane can pull a trigger.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Again, if they have a gun that is aimed at his exposed face and they just have to pull the trigger at the start of the fight.Yes, that is just ****ing spite then though. It's exactly like the Bob Lee Swagger thread, where Batman was continued to be gimped by you. I even said it then "Why don't you just make a thread with Batman tied to a tree and Swagger having a gun aimed at his face just needing to pull the trigger?"
Well, we have this thread now, good job. Obviously it wasn't intended as such, but you guys turned the scenario into just that. Why does your idea of this scenario even need to be discussed? It is not a vs. thread, but an execution, then.
Fair enough, I guess, I don't see that it is granted from the first post, but if that's all you get from it perhaps we should discuss a different, more fair scenario, where Batman and McClane are both behing covers, so it's not just about the speed McClane can pull a trigger.
But that would be realistic and in tune with both character's behavioral traits.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Again, if they have a gun that is aimed at his exposed face and they just have to pull the trigger at the start of the fight.Yes, that is just ****ing spite then though. It's exactly like the Bob Lee Swagger thread, where Batman was continued to be gimped by you. I even said it then "Why don't you just make a thread with Batman tied to a tree and Swagger having a gun aimed at his face just needing to pull the trigger?"
Well, we have this thread now, good job. Obviously it wasn't intended as such, but you guys turned the scenario into just that. Why does your idea of this scenario even need to be discussed? It is not a vs. thread, but an execution, then.
Fair enough, I guess, I don't see that it is granted from the first post, but if that's all you get from it perhaps we should discuss a different, more fair scenario, where Batman and McClane are both behing covers, so it's not just about the speed McClane can pull a trigger.
Hey, Impediment made the OP and we are adhering to it. McClane wins this scenario hands down. We havent turned it into anything, we are simply going with what was set in the OP.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Again, if they have a gun that is aimed at his exposed face and they just have to pull the trigger at the start of the fight.Yes, that is just ****ing spite then though. It's exactly like the Bob Lee Swagger thread, where Batman was continued to be gimped by you. I even said it then "Why don't you just make a thread with Batman tied to a tree and Swagger having a gun aimed at his face just needing to pull the trigger?"
Well, we have this thread now, good job. Obviously it wasn't intended as such, but you guys turned the scenario into just that. Why does your idea of this scenario even need to be discussed? It is not a vs. thread, but an execution, then.
Fair enough, I guess, I don't see that it is granted from the first post, but if that's all you get from it perhaps we should discuss a different, more fair scenario, where Batman and McClane are both behing covers, so it's not just about the speed McClane can pull a trigger.
couldn't be more right 😎
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Hey, Impediment made the OP and we are adhering to it. McClane wins this scenario hands down. We havent turned it into anything, we are simply going with what was set in the OP.
No, I'd still say batman wins. Even if Batman's reaction time is greater than...what.....half a second? he still avoids any real damage because of his body armor. The idea that McClane unloads anything into batman is wrong. The idea that even if he does, batman is already making his escape while most of the bullets miss and the few that do hit do jack shit.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
How about this. McClane is on the top floor of Nakatomi, he knows Batman is coming, he has a half hour prep.Batman pulls up and enters Nakatomi, has to make his way to McClane, from the bottom floor to the top floor.
Better?
I'm to tired to think and answer so I'll answer in the morning
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
How about this. McClane is on the top floor of Nakatomi, he knows Batman is coming, he has a half hour prep.Batman pulls up and enters Nakatomi, has to make his way to McClane, from the bottom floor to the top floor.
Better?
It'll be the same shit as the Swagger thread. McClane on the top floor holed up in a room with bombs and a gun pointing at a door which will fire the minute the doorknob is twisted. No.
Originally posted by dadudemonBut the few that hit him knock him on his ass, like when Harvey shot him, remember? At that point, McClane can walk over and put two in his head. They do far more than "jack shit." They do some SERIOUS shit.
No, I'd still say batman wins. Even if Batman's reaction time is greater than...what.....half a second? he still avoids any real damage because of his body armor. The idea that McClane unloads anything into batman is wrong. The idea that even if he does, batman is already making his escape while most of the bullets miss and the few that do hit do jack shit.
Originally posted by ScytheSo Batman can take out the Scarecrow and his armed guys on a rooftop, Batman can take out a buncha armed asians and escape with their boss, but he can't take out one lonely cop with a gun?
It'll be the same shit as the Swagger thread. McClane on the top floor holed up in a room with bombs and a gun pointing at a door which will fire the minute the doorknob is twisted. No.
Go McClane.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
But the few that hit him knock him on his ass, like when Harvey shot him, remember? At that point, McClane can walk over and put two in his head. They do far more than "jack shit." They do some SERIOUS shit.
Wrong movie. Teehee.
Oh wait. I'm supposed to be all pissed at you like everyone else gets in all of the vs. threads.
RJ! You dumbass piece of shit! I can't believe what a moron you are!
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Hey, Impediment made the OP and we are adhering to it. McClane wins this scenario hands down. We havent turned it into anything, we are simply going with what was set in the OP.
No, Imp's thread makes sense Batman approaches and both are not sure who the other is, you turned it into this:
Okay, woah, Batman got pwned bad, right? What a loser, maybe now we should gimp him a little bit to make it fair, perhaps....not have McClane already aim his gun at him in the beginning of the fight?