Batman vs. John McClane

Originally posted by dadudemon
You made an underhanded insult by doing so. Don't sugarcoat what you did, Bardock42.

That same is true of you. The tone of my posts hasn't changed at all for several days, now. You, however, keep defending your insults and claiming I'm trolling when I'm calling YOU out for trolling myself and others.

This is a forum. I don't need permission to answer a friend's legitimate question.

I would certainly like that. I would also request you keep your unsolicited insults, or what you call "jokes", to yourself.

Nonsense.

So back then. Rj made a point to me that he can't see a fair set up in a fight between McClane and Batman. I don't know if I agree with that, for one I don't think that it would just be clear cut if Batman could get to cover.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Nonsense.

So back then. Rj made a point to me that he can't see a fair set up in a fight between McClane and Batman. I don't know if I agree with that, for one I don't think that it would just be clear cut if Batman could get to cover.

I think the setup is fair enough. As long as Batman can hide in the shadows and he gets his equipment and suit, it is never an unfair fight. (Unless the fight starts just like your illustration showed.)

Originally posted by dadudemon
I think the setup is fair enough. As long as Batman can hide in the shadows and he gets his equipment and suit, it is never an unfair fight. (Unless the fight starts just like your illustration showed.)

Yeah, I'd agree. Who do you think would win in that case though?

Originally posted by Bardock42
Yeah, I'd agree. Who do you think would win in that case though?

I assume the former.

In that case, the outcome is obvious: McClane wins. McClane would win against anyone and everone that wasn't a "dodge bullets after they are fired" person (Ozy), or a person that is almost invulnerable to bullets (Superman, Hulk, etc).

Originally posted by dadudemon
Which one? The fight starting with the gun pointed to Batmna's head, or this scenario?

I assume the former.

In that case, the outcome is obvious: McClane wins. McClane would win against anyone and everone that wasn't a "dodge bullets after they are fired" person (Ozy), or a person that is almost invulnerable to bullets (Superman, Hulk, etc).

Originally posted by Bardock42
No, obviously the latter. You already stated what you think of the earlier scenario.

I'm confused, then.

Because I've stated numerous times, both in here, to you in IM, that I think Batman still wins this thread scenario. Or are you talking about a 3rd scenario? The example I posted was actually a redescription of the current one, not a 3rd scenario, which is probably our disconnect. I don't think that was a 3rd scenario.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I'm confused, then.

Because I've stated numerous times, both in here, to you in IM, that I think Batman still wins this thread scenario. Or are you talking about a 3rd scenario? The example I posted was actually a redescription of the current one, not a 3rd scenario, which is probably our disconnect. I don't think that was a 3rd scenario.

Ah, yeah, I think I understand what you mean, I just got confused.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Sounds good to me. The only thing I would correct is the atrocious wording in your first sentence.

Here's whta he's trying to say, Bruceskywalker: All the regular laws of physics apply unless specifically stated to be different or a character defies those physics. Then, the bending of the laws holds true for that character, but only that character.

Example: Batman has superhuman feats in BB and TDK. He technically does things that are beyond peak human capability. 😐

Same with John McClane.....maybe. He is durable...but durable isn't accurate. More like, he has a high pain tolerance.

Durable IS accurate. The shit that should have broken his arms, legs, skull and neck that didn't etc....

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Durable IS accurate. The shit that should have broken his arms, legs, skull and neck that didn't etc....

K.

Cite examples, por favor.

Die Hard 1-4 haermm

Yup Like RJ says basically.

Just slamming forearms first into that rail on the roof the way he did in the 1st rooftop confrontation was the 2nd thing... fracture city, normally.

The first being that he survived falling/rolling down hard metal or concrete stairs entangled with a German who's neck was broken in the same fall....these things were just the start. All four movies are a testament to enduring shit that would fu*k you, I or Santa Claus up.

And those were the more minor instances, compared to said rest of movie/rest of the other three movies.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Yup Like RJ says basically.

Just slamming forearms first into that rail on the roof the way he did in the 1st rooftop confrontation was the 2nd thing... fracture city, normally.

I don't know what you're referring to.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
The first being that he survived falling/rolling down hard metal or concrete stairs entangled with a German who's neck was broken in the same fall....these things were just the start. All four movies are a testament to enduring shit that would fu*k you, I or Santa Claus up.

You do know that those were two people actually falling down the stairs, right? Real world, they got minor cuts and bruises. The way they landed broke his neck, not the fall itself.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
And those were the more minor instances, compared to said rest of movie/rest of the other three movies.

I'm not aware of the first. The second is not applicable.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I don't know what you're referring to.

You do know that those were two people actually falling down the stairs, right? Real world, they got minor cuts and bruises. The way they landed broke his neck, not the fall itself.

I'm not aware of the first. The second is not applicable.

Naturally. Youre arguement belies the fact of maybe needing a refresher watch, on your part.

Yep. But how many of those people fall with a 16 stone big german fighting them on the way down? And there are people who has fallen down in way less harsh circumstances and sustained heavy assed damage....so?

Um, Solipsism?

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Naturally. Youre arguement belies the fact of maybe needing a refresher watch, on your part.

No, I simply don't know what you're talking about when you say, "Just slamming forearms first into that rail on the roof the way he did in the 1st rooftop confrontation was the 2nd thing"

I don't remember a part about rails and slamming at all. I've seen the movie once.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Yep. But how many of those people fall with a 16 stone big german fighting them on the way down? And there are people who has fallen down in way less harsh circumstances and sustained heavy assed damage....so?

So?

Doesn't change the fact that two actual men fell down those stairs, in real life, for that scene. The neck snapping was supposed to be something that happened because John is awesome and quickly adjusted the fall, towards the end there, to snap his neck. That's to John's fighting credit and thinking on his "feet", not credit to him being durable. He still got up with cuts and bruises all over him. In fact, I think that's when he got his first significant batch of booboos.

Edit - If you want to get pedantic about it, the stunt dudes didn't sustain as many injuries as they put on John. Therefore, John isn't even up human-level in durability. 😆

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Um, Solipsism?

No. That doesn't even apply. First example, I'm not aware of and, therefore, cannot comment or rebut on. Second example doesn't apply.

If you can find a youtube video of that particular "rails" scene, I'll watch it when I get home.

I love goooooooooold!!!

DDM. 😛

Just watch the DVD. Its not hard.

Just put the shiny discy thing into the DVD player, press play, and watch what is on your TV screen.

Go on. Its a doddle.

The scene where McClane slides down and hits the edge of the roof, HARD. From his reaction, I'd say it at least knocked the wind out of him.

Was a minor flesh wound, nothing more. If he was winded, he'd be floored.

Wasn't even a flesh wound, and just because you have the wind knocked out of you doesnt mean you go down.

Again: All attests to the durability.
He took it to the forearms if I recall, coulda broke em easily or been messed up if he were a lesser durability monster.