Originally posted by SpireWhat the **** are you talking about? 😐
No, tell me about how effective Surfer was against BRB.Then tell me about how Surfers punches were so powerful that they didn't even move BRB and were not accompanied by sound effects when though the board attack and BRB attacks were.
Originally posted by Spire
Lol, nice spin but I meant before he had to use a blindside attack to actually do something fruitful.
We've already been thru this 100x. The Surfer and BRB exchanged attacks, the Surfer used his powerset to compensate for BRB's powerset and, in turn, owned him with 2 shots thereafter.
Originally posted by Spire
Gee maybe [b]BEING BLINDSIDED IN THE BACK OF THE NECK had something to do with it? [/B]
You saying that the board attack had everything to do with him bleeding with each of the Surfer's attacks?? Do you even read what you type?? That's quite a retarded take on it, and I think everyone agrees.
Here's a non-retarded take on it: The board opened him up to a 2-shot from the Surfer. BRB's durability was unable to soak the damage dealt from the Surfer's attacks causing him to bleed all over the place. His attacks, however, were shrugged off easily by the Surfer due to the Surfer's durability.
Originally posted by Spire
It's not about damage or durability.
In a forum fight (when not using the BFR rule), it's about who can hurt the other enough to cause a KO (aka. damage). Therefore, it's about who can inflict enough powerful attacks that can penetrate their opponent's durability, therefore causing enough DAMAGE to render the opponent unable to fight.
I don't know where you think you are, cuz apparently you seem lost, but that's what a VS thread is about. :-/
Originally posted by Spire
Considering the book wanted to show to was a powerful attack with the whole 'zwamm'.
Wow, are you really retarded or do you just like the attention? Everyone is prolly laughing at the sheer idiocy of this "argument". You think the board attack was very powerful due to the whole "zwamm!"??? LOL. OMG. FAIL.
I hope they don't ever close this thread as I'd like to post your "arguments" here for people to point and laugh at the next time you're in a forum debate.
Originally posted by Spire
Blindside board attack>Girl punches
Logic > Spire
Originally posted by Spire
More spin. Surfer could have been blindsided aswell. Anyone could be. Sad that is actually happened. It's obvious the fight was written for BRB to shut him down, and Surfer to blindside him in the neck. Sad showing Surfer. Fun to see you ignore it and down play it.
You're accusing ME of SPIN and DOWNPLAYING??? This from the same guy who says:
Originally posted by Spire
As for durability, it was a 3 hit combo(Surfer got launched with 2) and Bill didn't die from the inital board attack. Pretty good.
Let's let the other members decide who is using spin to try and push a retarded argument here.
Originally posted by Spire
You won't answer my questions because they lead to your self-pwn. Which you already have done a couple times. I'll look forward to your trolling/spin later.
FYI, I answered your question (stop making stuff up, plz). It's you who didn't answer mine. Want me to post my answer and my question again in case you just forgot?
Originally posted by D_Dude1210
We've already been thru this 100x. The Surfer and BRB exchanged attacks, the Surfer used his powerset to compensate for BRB's powerset and, in turn, owned him with 2 shots thereafter.
You have been through this 0 times. When did they exchange attacks? Surfer was shutdown. Which was my original point, before you pulled a sidestep x 1000.
Originally posted by D_Dude1210
You saying that the board attack had everything to do with him bleeding with each of the Surfer's attacks??
You're saying the board to the neck had nothing to do with anything?
Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Here's a non-retarded take on it: The board opened him up to a 2-shot from the Surfer. BRB's durability was unable to soak the damage dealt from the Surfer's attacks causing him to bleed all over the place. His attacks, however, were shrugged off easily by the Surfer due to the Surfer's durability.
And? Never argued stats. Ever. This is a result of your spin.
Originally posted by D_Dude1210
In a forum fight (when not using the BFR rule), it's about who can hurt the other enough to cause a KO (aka. damage). Therefore, it's about who can inflict enough powerful attacks that can penetrate their opponent's durability, therefore causing enough DAMAGE to render the opponent unable to fight. I don't know where you think you are, cuz apparently you seem lost, but that's what a VS thread is about. :-/
Context fail. Go back and reread point.
Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Wow, are you really retarded or do you just like the attention? Everyone is prolly laughing at the sheer idiocy of this "argument". You think the board attack was very powerful due to the whole "zwamm!"??? LOL. OMG. FAIL.
No, but since you need to sidestep everything and your at the point where you cannot understand what you're reading or writing, I figured I would post some scans and lol.
Originally posted by D_Dude1210
I hope they don't ever close this thread as I'd like to post your "arguments" here for people to point and laugh at the next time you're in a forum debate.
Go for it. Then they can see how you responded with interchangeable replies, your 'concession accpeted' herochat replies, arguing blindside as ambush, English as your second language, and your continuous sidesteps, which led us on a journey of spins and sidesteps from my original point:
Originally posted by Spire
[b]SS v BRB Fight ReviewSS energy blasts = fail
SS FTLReflex Traveling Speed Bullrush = fail
SS FTLReflex Combat H2H skills = fail or N/A was already being owned
SS 'only' slumping to his feet from H2H hits = fail
SS number of successful attacks(H2H or energy blasts) thus far = 0
SS use of blindside attack because all others attacks fail = pass
SS H2H blows so immensely powerful that it caused opponent to move a couple inches and slump over in space, even after opponent took a board to the back of the head = pass
SS making self-hype statements that contradict his showing = passVerdict: SS owned BRB. [/B]
Thanks, D_Dude1210!!!
Originally posted by Spire
You have been through this 0 times. When did they exchange attacks? Surfer was shutdown. Which was my original point, before you pulled a sidestep x 1000.
Wow, you don't really read/understand what ppl post do you?
A shudown is when someone is unable to do anything to his opponent. His energy blasts and bullrush were defended against. But those aren't the ONLY powers SS has, is it?
Originally posted by Spire
You're saying the board to the neck had nothing to do with anything?
It opened up BRB to the 2-hit. But that doesn't take away that each of those punches did enough damage to make him bleed all over the place. Think before posting please.
Originally posted by Spire
And? Never argued stats. Ever. This is a result of your spin.
Um. I didn't argue stats, either. You had your take on the fight (w/c was retarded) and I have mine (w/c a lot more people share). When exactly were stats argued at this point? Again, reading comprehension please.
Originally posted by Spire
Context fail. Go back and reread point.
Haha, you said:
Originally posted by Spire
It's not about damage or durability.
And I pointed out those have a lot to do about who wins in a forum fight. Please think before posting and think harder before throwing around insults.
Originally posted by Spire
No, but since you need to sidestep everything and your at the point where you cannot understand what you're reading or writing, I figured I would post some scans and lol.
Getting desperate aren't we? You can't disprove my points (and people are already laughing at you) so you just throw around insults and make false accusations.
Seriously, buddy... "ZWAMMM" means powwa, eh? LOL.
Originally posted by Spire
Go for it. Then they can see how you responded with interchangeable replies, your 'concession accpeted' herochat replies, arguing blindside as ambush, English as your second language, and your continuous sidesteps, which led us on a journey of spins and sidesteps from my original point:
Again, the tactic of a desperate man. I've always kept to the facts of the debate and you've done nothing but accuse people of "sidestepping", "spin" and "downplaying" but TOTALLY fail at proving that anyone did (except maybe yourself). No one seems to agree with you and you've become more of a joke now than a serious debater.
Originally posted by Spire
Thanks, D_Dude1210!!!
You're welcome, I'm sure you enjoy the attention.
Originally posted by Naija boy
facepalm
It's ugly the problem with the BRB Surfer battle was how it went down.
Surfer appeared to brush off BRB attacks but he was off-panel when he went thru the ship so he could of been stunned r not either you can't assume either.
To say BRB who is on Thor level had no effect on Surfer with hitting off his board"which is not something that happens evertime surfer gets hit"
Bill was on panel getting a butt whomping after the board hit.
The board to the back of the neck cheapin the victory of Surfer. Until we have a better battle with both guys fighting heads up
In a forum battle Surfer won't be able to use that tatic effectly 10/10
either SS or BRB in forum battle could take it 6/10 both sides can be argued nother one has a huge advatage over the other.
Originally posted by DarkOdin
It's ugly the problem with the BRB Surfer battle was how it went down.Surfer appeared to brush off BRB attacks but he was off-panel when he went thru the ship so he could of been stunned r not either you can't assume either.
To say BRB who is on Thor level had no effect on Surfer with hitting off his board"which is not something that happens evertime surfer gets hit"
Bill was on panel getting a butt whomping after the board hit.
The board to the back of the neck cheapin the victory of Surfer. Until we have a better battle with both guys fighting heads up
In a forum battle Surfer won't be able to use that tatic effectly 10/10
either SS or BRB in forum battle could take it 6/10 both sides can be argued nother one has a huge advatage over the other.
He did brush off BRBs attacks. Thats pretty clear. After he is hit into the ship he is still shown calmly attempting to talk with BRB with no visible damage or show of pain (no blood either and yes surfer does bleed). Another thing is that even after surfer was sent flying by BRB he was still mentally controlling and directing his board to setup the attack in midflight. IT is therefore clear that he wasnt affected much by BRBs hit.
The board to the back of the head doesnt cheapen anything. Surfer has used that attack on more than one occasion. He has koed hulk with it as well as used his board to repeatedly blitz durok while he was talking with thor. On a forum i wouldnt go for him using it 10/10 (he has other options) but it would certainly be valid for him to use it to win a healthy majority.(he wins a majority regardless). Further in no way did the board to the back of the head somehow cuz BRBs natural durability to go down and enable surfer to bloody him up with his punches. Thats just nonsense.
Originally posted by DarkOdin
It's ugly the problem with the BRB Surfer battle was how it went down.Surfer appeared to brush off BRB attacks but he was off-panel when he went thru the ship so he could of been stunned r not either you can't assume either.
To say BRB who is on Thor level had no effect on Surfer with hitting off his board"which is not something that happens evertime surfer gets hit"
Bill was on panel getting a butt whomping after the board hit.
The board to the back of the neck cheapin the victory of Surfer. Until we have a better battle with both guys fighting heads up
In a forum battle Surfer won't be able to use that tatic effectly 10/10
either SS or BRB in forum battle could take it 6/10 both sides can be argued nother one has a huge advatage over the other.
It doesn't cheapen anything. BRB used his powerset (energy absorption abilities) to weather the Surfer's initial attacks. The fact that the Surfer can compensate and use HIS powerset (board blitz) to counter BRB's energy absorption abilities and use it intelligently (by attacking from behind) does not in any way take away from the fact that his SUCCESSFUL attacks were effective and BRB's were not.
Also, in a forum battle, knowledge of a previous fight does not carry over to the next fight, so I can see Surfer use this tactic effectively a lot. Basically, attack from the front with energy attacks (to distract BRB) and then board blitz from behind.
PS. Of course, I hope you don't subscribe to Spire's logic that "Zwamm!" means powwa, right?
this is crazy. the fact is brb couldnt prevent ss from getting behind him and hitting him. whether hes too slow has too slow reaction time or just lost sight of him doesnt matter he couldnt defend against it. if ur in a fight and u square off and ur opponent slips behind u and gets u in a choke hold and u lose was that cheap. no. but if he snuck up behind u when ur at a urinal takin a piss that would be cheap. just like in the brb fight. there was no sneak attack or cheap shot brb just couldnt defend against it.
Originally posted by D_Dude1210
It doesn't cheapen anything. BRB used his powerset (energy absorption abilities) to weather the Surfer's initial attacks. The fact that the Surfer can compensate and use HIS powerset (board blitz) to counter BRB's energy absorption abilities and use it intelligently (by attacking from behind) does not in any way take away from the fact that his SUCCESSFUL attacks were effective and BRB's were not.Also, in a forum battle, knowledge of a previous fight does not carry over to the next fight, so I can see Surfer use this tactic effectively a lot. Basically, attack from the front with energy attacks (to distract BRB) and then board blitz from behind.
PS. Of course, I hope you don't subscribe to Spire's logic that "Zwamm!" means powwa, right?
I a forum fight they would not be talking while fighting and BRB would be more alert. Plus BRB could do the same by throwing strombreaker and have it come behind him while he goes all out as we seen in the last issue context. BRB was talking to surfer while he had the board come around him in the fight this would not happen in a forum fight. Also skuttbut would not have been in the way a BRB would of be able to hammer away on him.
unless no hitting someone in the back of the head with a surfboard was a rule they both agreed to before the fight the fairness/cheapness isnt really debateable.i mean these are superpowered beings able to destroy entire planets with their might one with an all powerful magic hammer type weapon fighting in the middle of space and one guy hitting the other in the back of the head with his boards is somehow out of bounds or shouldnt have been expected or defended by brb is ludacris.
Originally posted by Raptor22it is the context of the fight. These guy were not trying to KO or Kill each other.
unless no hitting someone in the back of the head with a surfboard was a rule they both agreed to before the fight the fairness/cheapness isnt really debateable.i mean these are superpowered beings able to destroy entire planets with their might one with an all powerful magic hammer type weapon fighting in the middle of space and one guy hitting the other in the back of the head with his boards is somehow out of bounds or shouldnt have been expected or defended by brb is ludacris.
BRB and surfer would not have been talking "this is when the board comes from behind.
Also after BRB knock surfer of his board in a forum setting he would not of hovered in the air and talk to surfer.
Surfer not on his board is a disadvantage for the most part and having the board sneak behind someone other the right situation won't occurring in a forum battle
Plus the fact the no PIS takes place.
Example as BRB gets blasted from the surfer he could of just simply absorbed it instead of getting beat down.
darkodin thats where i respectfuly disagree with u. they characters fight in character in here so i think since their usualy friendly with eachother they would. just like its in character for thor to talk some by the power of the gods stuff before he attacks (for the most part). if bloodlust was on id agree. i basicaly feel brb knows ss has a powerful board that he controls and should have realized he didnt have it and should have been weary of the situation. instead ss lured brb into a false sense of security and brb paid the price. clever not cheap brb should have known better
Originally posted by Raptor22
darkodin thats where i respectfuly disagree with u. they characters fight in character in here so i think since their usualy friendly with eachother they would. just like its in character for thor to talk some by the power of the gods stuff before he attacks (for the most part). if bloodlust was on id agree. i basicaly feel brb knows ss has a powerful board that he controls and should have realized he didnt have it and should have been weary of the situation. instead ss lured brb into a false sense of security and brb paid the price. clever not cheap brb should have known better
Thats a very vaild point but agian i can't see it working 10/10 fro SS to win. Given the fact that SS would have to say something to get BRB distracted i can see him maybe geting 1 or 2 wins by using that tatic but not a majority over BRB
Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Wow, you don't really read/understand what ppl post do you?A shudown is when someone is unable to do anything to his opponent.
Which is what happened. Why didn't Surfer's blasts succeed? Why didn't Surfer's rush connect? Why didn't he H2H Bill? Why didn't he block Bill's H2H?
Originally posted by D_Dude1210
It opened up BRB to the 2-hit. But that doesn't take away that each of those punches did enough damage to make him bleed all over the place. Think before posting please.
So the board did no damage and played no part in anything at all? Speculation.
Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Um. I didn't argue stats, either. You had your take on the fight (w/c was retarded) and I have mine (w/c a lot more people share).
Which is?
Originally posted by D_Dude1210
When exactly were stats argued at this point? Again, reading comprehension please.
When you brought up Bill's durability and Surfer's durability when you were derailing from my original point.
Originally posted by D_Dude1210
And I pointed out those have a lot to do about who wins in a forum fight. Please think before posting and think harder before throwing around insults.
Since you're lost, like always, I'll baby-step this for you:
We went from 'Powerful Punches'(My question since, I guess the board had nothing to do with anything.)
to
Bill's durability(Your sidestep, even though this has nothing to do with whether or not their opponent was throwing powerful punches at them.)
to
Durability has nothing to do with anything(Myself trying to set you straight)
to
Durability has a lot to do with forum battles(......)
Originally posted by Raptor22
i think we mostly agree. in a forum fight i think these two would be pretty equal and what happend in the comic would not necessarily happen but it could and is a viable and fair tactic. u make some good points and like i said before i think we mostly agree if not please correct me.
👆 You got I feel that both could pull a majoity over the other but niether would domnate the other in a forum battle either one could go 6/10 take it.
Originally posted by Spire
Which is what happened. Why didn't Surfer's blasts succeed? Why didn't Surfer's rush connect? Why didn't he H2H Bill? Why didn't he block Bill's H2H?
Energy blasts, rushing and H2H aren't the Surfer's only powers. The fact that he can compensate and beat down BRB once he used his other powers was the point of my post. Please try and keep up.
Originally posted by Spire
So the board did no damage and played no part in anything at all? Speculation.
Never said the board did no damage (stop making stuff up). Of course it did damage, ALL of Surfer's blows did damage. It also played the part of stunning BRB long enough for Surfer to finish him off with a 2-shot.
My point was just because they didn't put "ZWAMM!" at the panel where Surfer struck BRB, doesn't take away the fact that BRB was bleeding from every hit.
Originally posted by Spire
Which is?
Sigh. This is my take on the fight:
Originally posted by D_Dude1210
The board opened him up to a 2-shot from the Surfer. BRB's durability was unable to soak the damage dealt from the Surfer's attacks causing him to bleed all over the place. His attacks, however, were shrugged off easily by the Surfer due to the Surfer's durability.
Again, try and keep up.
Originally posted by D_Dude1210
When you brought up Bill's durability and Surfer's durability when you were derailing from my original point..
No, I argued the fact on how damage shown on-panel (w/c is affected by durability) is more relevant in determining the magnitude of certain attacks than distance thrown and sound effects like "ZWAMM!" when you claimed:
Originally posted by Spire
All surfer has is a blindside attack and 2 girl punches that barley moved Bill.
Again, try and keep up.
Originally posted by D_Dude1210
We went from 'Powerful Punches'(My question since, I guess the board had nothing to do with anything.)
to
Bill's durability(Your sidestep, even though this has nothing to do with whether or not their opponent was throwing powerful punches at them.)
to
Durability has nothing to do with anything(Myself trying to set you straight)
to
Durability has a lot to do with forum battles(......)
Sidestepping?? I was answering each of your arguments on an almost one-to-one basis. If you have proof of me sidestepping ANY of your arguments, post your comment and post the reply I made so I can explain to you my meaning (cuz, apparently, most of what I say seems to be over your head).
1) I made you choose between Surfer's punches being powerful (w/c you claim weren't) or BRB's durability being crappy because you keep saying that Surfer's punches were weak because it didn't move BRB all that far and didn't make a "Zwaammm!" sound.
2) Damage is affected by durability and to win a forum fight, you either have to make the other guy forfeit or inflict enough DAMAGE (w/c is, again, affected by durability) to render the opponent unable to fight, thus I proved that damage and durability has a lot of relevance in determining who wins a fight.
Again try and keep up.