Superman Runs The Marvel Gauntlet

Originally posted by -Pr-
You can't be serious. I mean, I know you don't like Superman, but jeez.

I'm totally serious. Me not liking a character would not affect my opinion on something.

But feel free to come up with Superman feats (at his best) which establish him as someone, who would be able to beat the Hulk (at his best).

When it comes to the Hulk, we're talking about a guy, who was blasting out dimensions, time rifts and crap like that. Stan Lee was like: "Hey guys, let's do something amazing and let the Hulk punch the heaven up into the sky" and Hulk punching the heaven into the sky is still a viable feat for him, while Superman... while powerful never operated on such nonsensical levels post retcon.

BUT speaking of serious... that's the point where DC fanboys get all butthurt and start coming up with low showings for certain characters: "But look here, Hulk has recently been knocked out by a mountain and Superman could easily destroy mountains with his attacks!"

Yeah ... No.

Originally posted by Enzeru
I'm totally serious. Me not liking a character would not affect my opinion on something.

But feel free to come up with Superman feats (at his best) which establish him as someone, who would be able to beat the Hulk (at his best).

When it comes to the Hulk, we're talking about a guy, who was blasting out dimensions, time rifts and crap like that. Stan Lee was like: "Hey guys, let's do something amazing and let the Hulk punch the heaven up into the sky" and Hulk punching the heaven into the sky is still a viable feat for him, while Superman... while powerful never operated on such nonsensical levels post retcon.

BUT speaking of serious... that's the point where DC fanboys get all butthurt and start coming up with low showings for certain characters: "But look here, Hulk has recently been knocked out by a mountain and Superman could easily destroy mountains with his attacks!"

Yeah ... No.

Do you mean Savage Hulk without the progression to WBH, or do you mean with it?

If it's the former, It's not remotely true.

If it's the latter, then it's understandable.

Or do you mean DCNU Superman?

Don't bait people, please. This isn't the first time I've had to ask you.

Originally posted by Enzeru
Why not? He stalemated Galactus after all 💃

Besides that, that's not Hulk's only feat that puts his durability above Superman's damage output. Let's face it, Thor and Hulk have some Silver Age Superman like crap and for them it's still canon, while all the utter nonsense has been retconned for Superdudebro.

Nothing has been retconned except Pre Crisis for the 2009 Superman that was used for this thread.
And Superman has strength feats above Superman's damage output. Hell, Hulk's feats aren't even that good in comparison to Thor/Superman feats in the first place. Hulk does good against people with those feats, he doesn't acquire them himself though.

Superman has feats of taking on multiversal deities and damaging them. Outright beating them in some cases. You can pretend you want to play the feats game between Hulk and Superman all you want, but the problem is, you really don't.

But anyway, since you're specifically bringing up high feats and damned the context; here's Superman holding back splitting Empire Joker in half:
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How could little old Superman ever damage something like Hulk?

Originally posted by Enzeru
I'm totally serious. Me not liking a character would not affect my opinion on something.

But feel free to come up with Superman feats (at his best) which establish him as someone, who would be able to beat the Hulk (at his best).

When it comes to the Hulk, we're talking about a guy, who was blasting out dimensions, time rifts and crap like that. Stan Lee was like: "Hey guys, let's do something amazing and let the Hulk punch the heaven up into the sky" and Hulk punching the heaven into the sky is still a viable feat for him, while Superman... while powerful never operated on such nonsensical levels post retcon.

BUT speaking of serious... that's the point where DC fanboys get all butthurt and start coming up with low showings for certain characters: "But look here, Hulk has recently been knocked out by a mountain and Superman could easily destroy mountains with his attacks!"

Yeah ... No.

The Superman in OWAW will destroy any Hulk you put up.

When the Worldbreaker arrives the Sundipped Version will crush him.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Do you mean Savage Hulk without the progression to WBH, or do you mean with it?
If it's the former, It's not remotely true.
If it's the latter, then it's understandable.

Guess what, Savage Hulk has better feats than World Breaker Hulk. Savage Hulk has feats, which overshadow stuff Superman has done by far. It overshadows stuff most (if not all) high heralds have done by far.

It annoys me when people take away still from characters, even though it still applies. You're looking at what the Hulk has done in the last 10 years and that's your golden standard for the character, but it's not.

Thor for example has used Mjolnir to deflect Hyperion's beams and then trapped Hyperion in a bubble of glazed sand. He won the battle that way. That was never retconned.
What keeps me from using that feat in a battle between Thor and Hyperion? Nowdays you see the lazy ass portrayal of the characters in the comics, where they brawl it out and that's - once again - YOUR golden standard for the character, where Thor loses in a brawl, like he always does.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Or do you mean DCNU Superman?

It doesn't matter which Superman it is... either Post Crises, or DNcU.
They both lack the damage output to hurt the Hulk for good, if they're all fighting at their best and they both lack the durability to tank Hulk's best shots.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Don't bait people, please. This isn't the first time I've had to ask you.

I'm not baiting anyone. I'm calling hypocritical people stupid and that's called confronting someone with the painful truth.

You have so many posters here, you start flaming Carver9 in every Hulk thread he posts, because he believes that Hulk can beat Superman (and they have the right to do so, because Carver is kinda silly), but he still has a point - and in the end of the day no one is still willing to listen to him, because... uhm, yeah why? You tell me.

And while you're at it please provide enough arguments for me to believe that Superman can beat the Hulk (I know that he can and that he would thanks to his speed advantage and enough damage output to at least knock the Hulk out, since everyones body is more durable than his chin).
I'm not baiting anyone, and I'm not baiting you - I'm calling all of you out. Offer me stuff Superman has done and we'll see if I will be able to counter it with better durability / damage output feats from the Hulk.

And Superman proponents should know that I will be able to do just that, because Hulk has some Silver Agey crap under his feat disposal. We all know it. And it's still canon for him, even though you don't like it.

Enzeru 1 - Everyone Else 0

Originally posted by Enzeru
Guess what, Savage Hulk has better feats than World Breaker Hulk. Savage Hulk has feats, which overshadow stuff Superman has done by far. It overshadows stuff most (if not all) high heralds have done by far.

It annoys me when people take away still from characters, even though it still applies. You're looking at what the Hulk has done in the last 10 years and that's your golden standard for the character, but it's not.

Thor for example has used Mjolnir to deflect Hyperion's beams and then trapped Hyperion in a bubble of glazed sand. He won the battle that way. That was never retconned.
What keeps me from using that feat in a battle between Thor and Hyperion? Nowdays you see the lazy ass portrayal of the characters in the comics, where they brawl it out and that's - once again - YOUR golden standard for the character, where Thor loses in a brawl, like he always does.

It doesn't matter which Superman it is... either Post Crises, or DNcU.
They both lack the damage output to hurt the Hulk for good, if they're all fighting at their best and they both lack the durability to tank Hulk's best shots.

I'm not baiting anyone. I'm calling hypocritical people stupid and that's called confronting someone with the painful truth.

You have so many posters here, you start flaming Carver9 in every Hulk thread he posts, because he believes that Hulk can beat Superman (and they have the right to do so, because Carver is kinda silly), but he still has a point - and in the end of the day no one is still willing to listen to him, because... uhm, yeah why? You tell me.

And while you're at it please provide enough arguments for me to believe that Superman can beat the Hulk (I know that he can and that he would thanks to his speed advantage and enough damage output to at least knock the Hulk out, since everyones body is more durable than his chin).
I'm not baiting anyone, and I'm not baiting you - I'm calling all of you out. Offer me stuff Superman has done and we'll see if I will be able to counter it with better durability / damage output feats from the Hulk.

And Superman proponents should know that I will be able to do just that, because Hulk has some Silver Agey crap under his feat disposal. We all know it. And it's still canon for him, even though you don't like it.

Enzeru 1 - Everyone Else 0

Originally posted by Enzeru
Guess what, Savage Hulk has better feats than World Breaker Hulk. Savage Hulk has feats, which overshadow stuff Superman has done by far. It overshadows stuff most (if not all) high heralds have done by far.

It annoys me when people take away still from characters, even though it still applies. You're looking at what the Hulk has done in the last 10 years and that's your golden standard for the character, but it's not.

Thor for example has used Mjolnir to deflect Hyperion's beams and then trapped Hyperion in a bubble of glazed sand. He won the battle that way. That was never retconned.
What keeps me from using that feat in a battle between Thor and Hyperion? Nowdays you see the lazy ass portrayal of the characters in the comics, where they brawl it out and that's - once again - YOUR golden standard for the character, where Thor loses in a brawl, like he always does.

It doesn't matter which Superman it is... either Post Crises, or DNcU.
They both lack the damage output to hurt the Hulk for good, if they're all fighting at their best and they both lack the durability to tank Hulk's best shots.

I'm not baiting anyone. I'm calling hypocritical people stupid and that's called confronting someone with the painful truth.

You have so many posters here, you start flaming Carver9 in every Hulk thread he posts, because he believes that Hulk can beat Superman (and they have the right to do so, because Carver is kinda silly), but he still has a point - and in the end of the day no one is still willing to listen to him, because... uhm, yeah why? You tell me.

And while you're at it please provide enough arguments for me to believe that Superman can beat the Hulk (I know that he can and that he would thanks to his speed advantage and enough damage output to at least knock the Hulk out, since everyones body is more durable than his chin).
I'm not baiting anyone, and I'm not baiting you - I'm calling all of you out. Offer me stuff Superman has done and we'll see if I will be able to counter it with better durability / damage output feats from the Hulk.

And Superman proponents should know that I will be able to do just that, because Hulk has some Silver Agey crap under his feat disposal. We all know it. And it's still canon for him, even though you don't like it.

Enzeru 1 - Everyone Else 0

Please, don't presume to tell me what I am and am not doing. I've read plenty of Hulk, just like many of the other people here who still believe that Savage is around high-herald level.

Second, don't be such an ass. What you're doing constitutes baiting, so yes, stop. Please.

And third, no, that isn't why I flame Carver. At all.

Lastly, I recommend you read the rules about how characters are represented on the forum. You don't get to cherry-pick. You don't get to dismiss things you don't like.

Originally posted by Enzeru
Savage Hulk has feats, which overshadow stuff Superman has done by far. It overshadows stuff most (if not all) high heralds have done by far.

It doesn't matter which Superman it is... either Post Crises, or DNcU.
They both lack the damage output to hurt the Hulk for good, if they're all fighting at their best and they both lack the durability to tank Hulk's best shots.

I like the Hulk as much as anyone else who isn't a hardcore fan but that right there? That is complete and utter nonsense.

Savage Hulk does not overshadow Superman in the feats department whatsoever. Much less by far. He most definitely has the durability to tank Hulk's best shots and has the damage output to ruin Hulk's day. Savage Hulk would be my bet in a slug fest but you need to give credit where credit is due.

scenario 1 stops at 6.
scenario 2 stops at 10 possibly

Originally posted by Enzeru
Enzeru 1 - Everyone Else 0

Let me understand.

The punches that Superman were throwing that were crushing probes like Powder, coupled with his superior speed, and then topped with mental blocks removed can't KO World War Hulk?

Originally posted by -Pr-
Lastly, I recommend you read the rules about how characters are represented on the forum. You don't get to cherry-pick. You don't get to dismiss things you don't like.

I know about all of that and in the end of the day it's still as hypocritical as it gets.

You're dismissing stuff the Hulk has done, while DCnU Superman benchpresses the Earth for 5 days on ONE occasion, which screams PIS and it's the new standard for the character, which puts him above Marvel characters like Thor and Hulk, who have so much more feats - and for the most part better feats.

I say that Superman may have the strength to benchpress the planet, but he never uses that in fight to end fights quickly by overpowering his opponents and therefore saving lives and avoiding property damage and on top of that multiple occasions in comics have stated that his punches cause mountain level destruction - and people on this board call me a Superman hater and biased towards Marvel.

I ask for a lower stand for Superman and to ignore the Earth benchpress showing, because it's an out of the norm showing for the character - and people on this board call me a Superman hater and biased towards Marvel.

I say that we should consider Hulk's over the top feats as still viable for the character, if he fights at his best and you tell me to take a look at the rules, which also state that we should take the norm of characters into consideration and not some kind of a once in a life time showing alá Spider-Man beats Firelord.

I say that Thor, who has tanked attacks from Thanos, Void, Glory, Skyfathers, Celestials and Galactus - can easily tank everything Superman can dish out ... and people on this board simply walk away from a debate, but rather try to school me with useless nonsense.

You know what - This entire board can **** itself. You all deserve each other. I'm out.

Originally posted by Enzeru
I know about all of that and in the end of the day it's still as hypocritical as it gets.

You're dismissing stuff the Hulk has done, while DCnU Superman benchpresses the Earth for 5 days on ONE occasion, which screams PIS and it's the new standard for the character, which puts him above Marvel characters like Thor and Hulk, who have so much more feats - and for the most part better feats.

I say that Superman may have the strength to benchpress the planet, but he never uses that in fight to end fights quickly by overpowering his opponents and therefore saving lives and avoiding property damage and on top of that multiple occasions in comics have stated that his punches cause mountain level destruction - and people on this board call me a Superman hater and biased towards Marvel.

I ask for a lower stand for Superman and to ignore the Earth benchpress showing, because it's an out of the norm showing for the character - and people on this board call me a Superman hater and biased towards Marvel.

I say that we should consider Hulk's over the top feats as still viable for the character, if he fights at his best and you tell me to take a look at the rules, which also state that we should take the norm of characters into consideration and not some kind of a once in a life time showing alá Spider-Man beats Firelord.

I say that Thor, who has tanked attacks from Thanos, Void, Glory, Skyfathers, Celestials and Galactus - can easily tank everything Superman can dish out ... and people on this board simply walk away from a debate, but rather try to school me with useless nonsense.

You know what - This entire board can **** itself. You all deserve each other. I'm out.

Take your leave then. Obviously your feathers get ruffled when somebody disagrees with you.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
The Superman in OWAW will destroy any Hulk you put up.

When the Worldbreaker arrives the Sundipped Version will crush him.

😂

Originally posted by Enzeru
I know about all of that and in the end of the day it's still as hypocritical as it gets.

You're dismissing stuff the Hulk has done, while DCnU Superman benchpresses the Earth for 5 days on ONE occasion, which screams PIS and it's the new standard for the character, which puts him above Marvel characters like Thor and Hulk, who have so much more feats - and for the most part better feats.

I say that Superman may have the strength to benchpress the planet, but he never uses that in fight to end fights quickly by overpowering his opponents and therefore saving lives and avoiding property damage and on top of that multiple occasions in comics have stated that his punches cause mountain level destruction - and people on this board call me a Superman hater and biased towards Marvel.

I ask for a lower stand for Superman and to ignore the Earth benchpress showing, because it's an out of the norm showing for the character - and people on this board call me a Superman hater and biased towards Marvel.

I say that we should consider Hulk's over the top feats as still viable for the character, if he fights at his best and you tell me to take a look at the rules, which also state that we should take the norm of characters into consideration and not some kind of a once in a life time showing alá Spider-Man beats Firelord.

I say that Thor, who has tanked attacks from Thanos, Void, Glory, Skyfathers, Celestials and Galactus - can easily tank everything Superman can dish out ... and people on this board simply walk away from a debate, but rather try to school me with useless nonsense.

You know what - This entire board can **** itself. You all deserve each other. I'm out.

pr1983

What Bada said, I guess.

Originally posted by Enzeru
I know about all of that and in the end of the day it's still as hypocritical as it gets.

You're dismissing stuff the Hulk has done, while DCnU Superman benchpresses the Earth for 5 days on ONE occasion, which screams PIS and it's the new standard for the character, which puts him above Marvel characters like Thor and Hulk, who have so much more feats - and for the most part better feats.

I say that Superman may have the strength to benchpress the planet, but he never uses that in fight to end fights quickly by overpowering his opponents and therefore saving lives and avoiding property damage and on top of that multiple occasions in comics have stated that his punches cause mountain level destruction - and people on this board call me a Superman hater and biased towards Marvel.

I ask for a lower stand for Superman and to ignore the Earth benchpress showing, because it's an out of the norm showing for the character - and people on this board call me a Superman hater and biased towards Marvel.

I say that we should consider Hulk's over the top feats as still viable for the character, if he fights at his best and you tell me to take a look at the rules, which also state that we should take the norm of characters into consideration and not some kind of a once in a life time showing alá Spider-Man beats Firelord.

I say that Thor, who has tanked attacks from Thanos, Void, Glory, Skyfathers, Celestials and Galactus - can easily tank everything Superman can dish out ... and people on this board simply walk away from a debate, but rather try to school me with useless nonsense.

You know what - This entire board can **** itself. You all deserve each other. I'm out.

Or does that not fit into your viewpoint of Superman's limited feats?

You seem very excited to talk about how much you hate Superman though... while also throwing out that you are in no way biased against him. You never wanted to discuss what Superman can do or has done. You only want to talk about what he can't do, whilst making up theoretical feat limits for Superman that fit no description of Post Crisis Superman ever. I await the day you aren't on a self imposed exile (tomorrow, today, next week) when you randomly say he's never taken on beings on his level before - no bias on your end.

Also, Sentry sucks.

Originally posted by carver9
😂

BELIEVE!

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn

[B]BELIEVE! [/B]

Naah, that's your opinion. Hulk has done some insane crap...over the top stuff. Superman pushing War World doesn't change what I did or said.

Originally posted by Badabing
You would be wise to stop trolling/flaming a mod. Any issues should be taken to a PM.

Take your leave then. Obviously your feathers get ruffled when somebody disagrees with you.

A quick gif for the general

Originally posted by Rao Kal El

😂 nice Sig for Bada.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El

A quick gif for the general

HEY, YOU PICKED THE WRONG GIF!

Post the one where the filthy beast is cast into the Abyss!